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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3016 on: December 24, 2020, 05:03:22 PM »
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No. It is a strange coincidence you have a divide between rural and urban voters.   If it wasn't for the 4 large cities in those 4 states, things would have ended up differently.  These are like city states (Rome in its time).   It also doesn't take rocket science to figure out why you would like to add  Washington D.C. and Puerto Rico as states so that you can over rule representation by region (Senate) and have  representation by population in both Senate and House/   Then the population centers can do as it pleases with the rural population.   If  you do that, just eliminate the Senate altogether (1/2 the cost) and run the country by popular vote only as it has no meaning.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3017 on: December 24, 2020, 05:07:51 PM »
Yeah you should never look at how elections are run and question its integrity.

Question away. But if 60 court cases go by and you can’t provide a scintilla of evidence of any widespread fraud that could possibly change the results, then you just might be a sore loser.

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As I said before, transparency is important and when you have 74 million voters that lost an election and lots of questions when it was the largest turnout in history and Biden ran campaign from basement and got more votes that Obama - makes you wonder doesn't it?   

Not in the least. Trump cultists don’t understand how many people appreciate a leader who actually takes science seriously. And they also way underestimate how much this man is despised. They are in an orange bubble.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3018 on: December 24, 2020, 05:13:34 PM »
There is nothing wrong with that.     Just make smaller countries and each city can act as a country and run its own affairs and interact with the other partners.   If 18 states can agree with each other, then they can band together.  Populous states can do likewise and each can have its own constitution and rules.  The populous city states can manufacture the  equipment, cars and trucks and the rural population can buy from them and sell them back food and energy in return!    They can each pay their own taxes to govern themselves, pay for their own healthcare systems and whatever pension plans and government infrastructure they might want to have in place.

Why go through all of this churn? What problem are you trying to solve exactly? That some people in rural states don’t like who got elected President? Some people in cites didn’t like who got elected president in 2016 either.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3019 on: December 24, 2020, 05:17:03 PM »
So you don't think the addition of mail in voters and the harvest of these votes had anything to do with the numbers?

Are you saying there’s something wrong with a large voter turnout? Should it be more difficult for people to exercise their right to vote?

Also, where was there any vote harvesting?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3020 on: December 24, 2020, 07:37:43 PM »
Are you saying there’s something wrong with a large voter turnout? Should it be more difficult for people to exercise their right to vote?

Also, where was there any vote harvesting?

On election night,  Trump was in a commanding lead.  How were those results put on teevee?   That was in person voting.   Then, election polling was closed.   You have that ratio of votes that you saw.   In a normal vote, you would expect the mail in ratio would be similar to what you saw in live polling.  Instead, you saw a flip.    After 3 days of mail in counting, enough votes were found by mail to overthrow the live polling results.   Is that how popular vote works?  They were "scared" to go in person and so all results cast in that manner favored Biden.

Then, all these mail in votes were mixed in with the rest so you can't even compare anymore.  You can only see the results when live polls closed where Trump had a commanding lead and compare them to what you saw by next morning.   In a place like Florida, was there a massive Biden surge in votes due to mail in?   Or was the ratio between live votes and mail in votes there similar?   Launch an argument that the mail in vote ratio there was the same for Biden as it was in a place like Georgia.   Statistics should say they are very similar when comparing live vote ratio to mail in ratio as you are giving the shut-ins a way to vote.    Democrats there should be no different in their casting then Democrats in Georgia.

Election integrity means you need to look at the physical ballots and not just feed them through the same machines that gave the same score last time.  Each ballot needs vetting and yes the process takes time.    Verify signatures, addresses and identities.  Look at things like if ballots came out of an envelope and had creases on them or were they stacked and fed in and had no creases.   See if the adjudicated votes matched those fed in.   Mail in votes should be scrutinized just as hard as those that came in person to vote. 

If this was examined and shown that Biden won, there was and is no problem.   However, if you have affidavits signed (and perjury is punishable by incarceration), then lets throw these people into jail for lying about what they put their signatures.  Let's make the case and prove it.   We saw how the FBI worked over campaign workers in the Trump campaign and incarcerated them for lying to them, lets force the judges to make real decisions instead of just throwing out the accusation as being unfounded, lacked evidence and not worth pursuing.  No time for that!

We can't prove that anyone used the machines fraudulently to count votes and never will.  However, if you insist on using machines which have the capability written in the operator's manual to divide votes by percentage, there is a major problem.  The Scribd expert report shows that.   They redacted the operator's manual picture proving what they said was true by the judge?  Why would they do that?   Confidential information or exposure of truth and obviously they must have had a picture to back up their statement about this algorithm?   As well, there was a common user name and password entry into the system they said that allows multiple users access to the same voting records,  there is a problem with accountability.  Plausible deniability by anyone with access!   How hard would it be to have a machine count 1+1+1?    For some reason, these electronic voting systems were not used across the entire country in all states.    Why not?    Votes were allowed to be changed in the adjudication process electronically  and  to "cure" votes.   Sorry, the electronic system is compromised and if it continues to be used, you will see the same results as in Venezuela,  55/45 perhaps?
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3021 on: December 24, 2020, 07:54:39 PM »
On election night,  Trump was in a commanding lead.  How were those results put on teevee?   That was in person voting.   Then, election polling was closed.   You have that ratio of votes that you saw.   In a normal vote, you would expect the ratio would be similar to what you saw in live polling.  Instead, you saw a flip.    After 3 days of mail in counting, enough votes were found by mail to overthrow the live polling results.   Is that how popular vote works?  They were "scared" to go in person and so all results cast in that manner favored Biden.

Then, all thesemail in votes were mixed in with the rest so you can't even compare anymore.  You can only see the results when live polls closed where Trump had a commanding lead and compare them to what you saw by next morning.   In a place like Florida, was there a massive Biden surge in votes due to mail in?   Or was the ratio between live votes and mail in votes there similar?   Launch an argument that the mail in vote ratio there was the same for Biden as it was in a place like Georgia.   Statistics should say they are very similar when comparing live vote ratio to mail in ratio as you are giving the shut-ins a way to vote.    Democrats there should be no different in their casting then Democrats in Georgia.

Election integrity means you need to look at the physical ballots and not just feed them through the same machines that gave the same score last time.  Each ballot needs vetting and yes the process takes time.    Verify signatures, addresses and identities.  Look at things like if ballots came out of an envelope and had creases on them or were they stacked and fed in and had no creases.   See if the adjudicated votes matched those fed in.   Mail in votes should be scrutinized just as hard as those that came in person to vote. 

If this was examined and shown that Biden won, there was and is no problem.   However, if you have affidavits signed (and perjury is punishable by incarceration), then lets throw these people into jail for lying about what they put their signatures.  Let's make the case and prove it.   We saw how the FBI worked over campaign workers in the Trump campaign and incarcerated them for lying to them, lets force the judges to make real decisions instead of just throwing out the accusation as being unfounded, lacked evidence and not worth pursuing.  No time for that!

We can't prove that anyone used the machines fraudulently to count votes and never will.  However, if you insist on using machines which have the capability written in the operator's manual to divide votes by percentage, there is a major problem.  The Scribd expert report shows that.   They redacted the operator's manual picture proving what they said was true by the judge?  Why would they do that?   Confidential information or exposure of truth and obviously they must have had a picture to back up their statement about this algorithm?   As well, there was a common user name and password entry into the system they said that allows multiple users access to the same voting records,  there is a problem with accountability.  Plausible deniability by anyone with access!   How hard would it be to have a machine count 1+1+1?    For some reason, these electronic voting systems were not used across the entire country in all states.    Why not?    Votes were allowed to be changed in the adjudication process electronically  and  to "cure" votes.   Sorry, the electronic system is compromised and if it continues to be used, you will see the same results as in Venezuela,  55/45 perhaps?

On election night,  Trump was in a commanding lead.  How were those results put on teevee?   That was in person voting.   Then, election polling was closed.   You have that ratio of votes that you saw.   In a normal vote, you would expect the ratio would be similar to what you saw in live polling. 

No you wouldn't expect that because more Democratic voters voted by mail and more Republican voters voted in person. So, during election day the in person votes, which were skewed in favor of Trump were counted resulting in his lead, and after that the mail in ballots, which were in favor of Biden. Those mail in votes couldn't be counted earlier in many states because the Republicans objected to that. In Florida they counted the mail in ballots first resulting in a lead for Biden and once they counted the in person votes Trump got more votes and won.

If this was examined and shown that Biden won, there was and is no problem. 

Trump being Trump there would always be a problem if he lost. He was preparing for that prior to the election by saying the only way he could lose was if there was fraud. He knew from the constant lead Biden had in the polls that he was likely going to lose and starting preparing for what we see now, well before election day.

However, if you have affidavits signed (and perjury is punishable by incarceration), then lets throw these people into jail for lying about what they put their signatures.   

Oh please, stop the dramatics. In those affidavits people said what they thought they had seen. That's not perjury. In the JFK case plenty of witnesses made statements in affidavits that later were found to be incorrect.

We can't prove that anyone used the machines fraudulently to count votes and never will.

Case closed! Move on

However, if you insist on using machines which have the capability written in the operator's manual to divide votes by percentage, there is a major problem.

You really need to keep up with the news. The person who is going to have a major problem is Sidney Powell when she gets hit with lawsuits by Dominion and Smartmatic.

Fox News and Newsmax did not jump ship for nothing;



You really need to stop repeating already debunked claims.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3022 on: December 25, 2020, 12:31:59 AM »

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'VOTER FRAUD IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY, IT IS A FACT!!!'
Trump tweeted shortly after aiming his ire at GOP U.S. senators. 

Spoken like a true CTer.

Question:

Is there any CTer who doesn’t claim that their conspiracy theory, whatever it may be, fake Moon Landing, 9/11, etc., is a fact, and not a conspiracy theory?


If so, I would like to have someone name one.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3023 on: December 25, 2020, 01:37:46 AM »
Trump tweeted shortly after aiming his ire at GOP U.S. senators. 

Spoken like a true CTer.

Question:

Is there any CTer who doesn’t claim that their conspiracy theory, whatever it may be, fake Moon Landing, 9/11, etc., is a fact, and not a conspiracy theory?


If so, I would like to have someone name one.

I'm not sure if you are going to follow this, but even if Oswald did it (alone or with others) the WC cover up, to wrap the crime around him, was also a conspiracy.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3023 on: December 25, 2020, 01:37:46 AM »