Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Joe Elliott]

Horsesh*t. The Republicans are the ones that belong to the conspiracy/propaganda party. Qanon is 100% GOP. Just ask Richard. Fake Fox KGB News is too. And it's only you that claims that hundreds of CIA & FBI agents were part of the Big Event. You certainly like to inform the CTs what they believe.

Really? It’s the Republicans who believe in all these bogus conspiracy theories? Like the 9/11 conspiracy theory? The Apollo Moon Landing Hoax conspiracy theory? I myself am a Republican, or at least I was two months ago, though never a supporter of Trump, but I don’t believe in any Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy Theory.

In truth, what predicts whether one believes in one or more Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy theories, is not whether one is a Republican or a Democrat. It is rather how logical one is. If one is willing to accept a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy. If one is willing to accept a Secret Conspiracy that was very powerful. That dictated a Presidential Election in a country filled with people who respect the principle of majority rule. Or that dictated whether the U. S. would go to war in a country that was months away from a large-scale invasion, which the conspirators couldn’t have known about.

Being a Republican or a Democrat will influence which conspiracy theory a person will adopt who is prone to believing in such things. But it does not influence whether they are prone to such beliefs.

In reality, you only needed a couple dozen conspirators to pull off the Big Event if their marching orders came from the top. The others are just gullible LNers who dismiss the JFK assassination as a BS Large-Scale-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy. You LNers stick your head in the sand and ignore or scoff at all evidence suggesting otherwise, just like the WC planned it. Fortunately for the WC, there is a gullible sucker born every minute. They were counting on you guys to discredit the CTs as tinfoil-hat conspiracy nutjobs so you can dismiss everything they say without fact-checking anything, like Drumpf or Alex Jones, who are both staunch Republicans/Conspiracists.

All conspiracy theorists say the same thing. In 1947 the ‘Deep State’ only need a dozen powerful people to put into effect an evil alliance between the U. S. Government and the space aliens. As shown in the signed Majestic 12 “document”. An alliance which, presumably, is still in effect today.

You should spend more time using critical thinking and logic to refute the evidence presented rather than psycho-analyzing the dumbass CTs with your BS and telling them what they think. After all, LNers are the fringe minority here, not the CTs.

At this forum and in this country, the LNers are indeed the fringe minority. Just as the men and women in Germany who stood against Hitler in the 1930’s, were in the fringe minority. And the Abolitionists were in the fringe minority, right up until, I believe, 1865. All those fringe minorities had a much smaller percentage of supporters than the LNers of today. Soon, the believers in the Theory of Evolution, the believers in Science itself may find ourselves in the fringe minority, if we are not already there. The majority should dictate what government we have, but not what I believe to be true. Only a fool allows the majority to dictate that.

[Jack Trojan]

Really? It’s the Republicans who believe in all these bogus conspiracy theories? Like the 9/11 conspiracy theory? The Apollo Moon Landing Hoax conspiracy theory? I myself am a Republican, or at least I was two months ago, though never a supporter of Trump, but I don’t believe in any Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy Theory.

I repeat, the GOP are the conspiracy/propaganda party, not the Dems. Qanon is 100% GOP. You guys watch way too much Fake Fox News and Alex Jones to be a LNer. Otherwise, which Dem believes the 9/11 conspiracy or that the Apollo Moon Landing was hoaxed?

It's fine to claim that you don't believe in any Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy Theories but saying it, isn't debunking it. You don't debunk them just because you think they are LSE conspiracies. You must refute them with logic and evidence, otherwise, who cares what you think?

For example, use some critical thinking to please explain how 2 planes can bring down 3 buildings when no fire has ever brought down a steel framed building, ever. Keep in mind that no steel framed building has ever collapsed into its own footprint at free fall speed because it is physically impossible to do so without explosives. If you were an engineer or a physicist you would understand why. Even the NIST Report conceded that.

I am not claiming that 9/11 was a LSE conspiracy but I am also unable to debunk it. Can you? Show us how logical you are.

[John Iacoletti]

Provide a quote from Richard Smith so that I can check to see if he ever did make such claims.

Already done on page 311.

[Joe Elliott]

Already done on page 311.

False. Readers should go back to page 311 and judge for themselves.

[John Iacoletti]

I don’t actually know of a single person who believes that “hundreds of CIA agents and FBI agents and police officers and autopsy doctors, helped assassinate a President, or helped coverup the assassination of a President. And doing so went against basic American values. And kept this secret.”

[Joe Elliott]

I repeat, the GOP are the conspiracy/propaganda party, not the Dems. Qanon is 100% GOP. You guys watch way too much Fake Fox News and Alex Jones to be a LNer. Otherwise, which Dem believes the 9/11 conspiracy or that the Apollo Moon Landing was hoaxed?

Like Trump you like to repeat your claims. That doesn’t make them true. Anymore than it does for Trump.

The GOP is the conspiracy/propaganda party? Well, under Trump it has certainly drifted into becoming, in part, the propaganda party.

But the GOP is the conspiracy party? I take it that you are a Republican then. Am I right? 

Well, take my advice and do what I am going to do and quit the party. It might not be enough to get you to drop your conspiracy believes but it is worth a shot.

It depends on which conspiracy you’re talking about. What about the 9/11 conspiracy theory? I think the percentage of 9/11 CTers who are Democrats is much higher than it is for Republicans.

It's fine to claim that you don't believe in any Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy Theories but saying it, isn't debunking it. You don't debunk them just because you think they are LSE conspiracies. You must refute them with logic and evidence, otherwise, who cares what you think?

Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracies are inherently unbelievable. It is unbelievable that a large number of people would keep the secret for years. That is why skeptics, over the centuries are skeptical of such theories, like the Elders of Zion conspiracy theory. Us skeptics are just being consistent with our way of thinking.

For example, use some critical thinking to please explain how 2 planes can bring down 3 buildings when no fire has ever brought down a steel framed building, ever. Keep in mind that no steel framed building has ever collapsed into its own footprint at free fall speed because it is physically impossible to do so without explosives. If you were an engineer or a physicist you would understand why. Even the NIST Report conceded that.

No building had ever suddenly had tons and tons of jet fuel suddenly flung into it and ignited. And then had the even larger amount of diesel fuel stored in large tanks for backup power generation catch fire. Experts say such fire won’t melt steel, but it will weaken steel to the point it can no longer support the tremendous loads it can when it is cold. Particularly where the fire insulation is stripped from the steel by the flying debris of the aircraft.

And, again, you reinforce my point that believers in one conspiracy theory tend to be more prone to believing in others. It is good to know that you believe in both a JFK assassination conspiracy theory and the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

Question:

Are there any other conspiracy theories you would like to confess to believing in? Or do you wish to remain silent.

I am not claiming that 9/11 was a LSE conspiracy but I am also unable to debunk it. Can you? Show us how logical you are.

You don’t? How many people do you think it would take to do it and the cover-up? Many experts have claimed they think the planes could bring down the buildings. They tested debris from the buildings and found no chemical evidence of explosives. How many technicians would this take? How many administrators would it take to make certain that no debris is not passed on to the wrong technician who is not in on it?

Large Secret Enduring conspiracies are inherently implausible. An established hypothesis of skeptics for centuries.

[Joe Elliott]

I don’t actually know of a single person who believes that “hundreds of CIA agents and FBI agents and police officers and autopsy doctors, helped assassinate a President, or helped coverup the assassination of a President. And doing so went against basic American values. And kept this secret.”

And I don’t know a single CTer who has itemized all the people they think were involved in the assassination. Let’s take the Dallas police. All the Dallas policemen they think were involved. Who was sent to check for evidence at the Paine house, at Oswald’s room, at Ruby’s apartment and properties? Who would be needed to ensure the wrong policeman is not sent to the wrong place and finds the wrong bit of evidence?

What autopsy doctors are needed to be in on it? Who is needed to be certain the body is sent to the correct set of autopsy doctors? Doesn’t Kennedy’s doctor, Read Admiral George Burley and Mrs. Kennedy have to be on that list?

I don’t need all the names. Just all the bogus pieces of bogus evidence, CE-399, photographs, film, etc., and a list of people (don’t need all the names) needed to pull this all of. Something like 20 officers plus 5 administrators to make certain only the 20 officers are sent on investigations of sensitive sites.

The lack of such a list provided by CTers, not even a single CTer, means that such a list is so large, they prefer not to provide one.

The goal of this conspiracy, commonly assigned to get the United States involved in the Vietnam war certainly implies a large conspiracy is needed to pull this off.

[Jack Trojan]

Like Trump you like to repeat your claims. That doesn’t make them true. Anymore than it does for Trump.

The GOP is the conspiracy/propaganda party? Well, under Trump it has certainly drifted into becoming, in part, the propaganda party.

But the GOP is the conspiracy party? I take it that you are a Republican then. Am I right? 

Well, take my advice and do what I am going to do and quit the party. It might not be enough to get you to drop your conspiracy believes but it is worth a shot.

More HS. Not all Dems are pseudo-skeptics but you do have to be a Rep to be Qanon. I am neither. Even though you are no longer a Rep, I'll bet you are still Q. Am I right?

It depends on which conspiracy you’re talking about. What about the 9/11 conspiracy theory? I think the percentage of 9/11 CTers who are Democrats is much higher than it is for Republicans.

HS.

Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracies are inherently unbelievable. It is unbelievable that a large number of people would keep the secret for years. That is why skeptics, over the centuries are skeptical of such theories, like the Elders of Zion conspiracy theory. Us skeptics are just being consistent with our way of thinking.

Pseudo-skeptics you mean. Your default position is to scoff at all conspiracies until they are proven true. That’s not how science works. Science has no default position. It treats each case on its own merits. You seem to think all conspiracies are crazy LSE conspiracies by default unless proven otherwise. Tell that to the HSCA, who actually had scientists working for them, not pseudo-skeptics.

No building had ever suddenly had tons and tons of jet fuel suddenly flung into it and ignited. And then had the even larger amount of diesel fuel stored in large tanks for backup power generation catch fire. Experts say such fire won’t melt steel, but it will weaken steel to the point it can no longer support the tremendous loads it can when it is cold. Particularly where the fire insulation is stripped from the steel by the flying debris of the aircraft.

You don’t have a clue so I would expect you to come up with more HS. Like I said before, unless you are an engineer or a physicist and you know what you are talking about you are destined to reach 1 conclusion, 9/11 Truthers are CT nutjobs who hate America and love Bin Laden.

Factoid 4U: A fire on the 99th floor cannot compromise the steel frame on the 1st floor or any floors below it. And since the steel frame on every floor is designed to hold the entire weight of the building, it is impossible for a steel framed building to pancake into its own footprint unless every floor is compromised. But building 7 didn’t pancake to the ground, it was in free fall for a few seconds, which means zero resistance, which is impossible, especially since no plane struck building 7 and no kerosene fires compromised the steel structure. Didn’t they teach you any of this in science class?

And, again, you reinforce my point that believers in one conspiracy theory tend to be more prone to believing in others. It is good to know that you believe in both a JFK assassination conspiracy theory and the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

I never said 9/11 was a conspiracy, only that the conspiracy can't be debunked and we don’t know the whole story.  Especially you. You don't seem to know anything about it. Just regurgitated HS.

Question:

Are there any other conspiracy theories you would like to confess to believing in? Or do you wish to remain silent.

I’m pretty sure Pizzagate was real. Sandy Hook too. And the Russian Hoax smacks of conspiracy.

You don’t? How many people do you think it would take to do it and the cover-up? Many experts have claimed they think the planes could bring down the buildings. They tested debris from the buildings and found no chemical evidence of explosives. How many technicians would this take? How many administrators would it take to make certain that no debris is not passed on to the wrong technician who is not in on it?

I already told you but you’re a pseudo-scoftic that applies no critical thinking or logic to come to your skeptical views, just your default position regarding your silly assumptions....“Large Secret Enduring conspiracies are inherently implausible. An established hypothesis of skeptics for centuries.”

Talk is cheap pseudo-skeptic. Stop psycho-analyzing members and start actually debunking something or STFU.