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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3128 on: January 04, 2021, 10:07:16 PM »
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Others may disagree that there is a factual basis for his claims but Trump has not suggested anything illegal about excluding unlawful votes.

As predicted. Trump can do no wrong.   

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline John Tonkovich

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« Reply #3129 on: January 05, 2021, 01:05:23 AM »
Hey Mr Crow. Hope you are well. Would appreciate some science based info from you. Re: vaccines and immunity. Please. Thx. 

Or I could travel down great Barrington st, to scott atlas.  ( I think Teddy Atlas is smarter than scott atlas)

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3130 on: January 05, 2021, 05:16:04 AM »

What Trump got right during last SaPersonay’s phone call:

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Germany: We had our — this is Ryan Germany. We had our law enforcement officers talk to everyone who was who was there after that event came to light. GBI was with them as well as FBI agents.
Trump: Well, there's no way they could — then they're incompetent. They're either dishonest or incompetent, okay?
Mitchell: Well, what did they find?
Trump: There's only two answers, dishonesty or incompetence. There's just no way. Look. There's no way. And on the other thing, I said too, there is no way. I mean, there's no way that these things could have been you know, you have all these different people that voted but they don't live in Georgia anymore. What was that number, Cleta? That was a pretty good number too.
Mitchell: The number who have registered out of state after they moved from Georgia. And so they had a date when they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state. And then it's like 4,500, I don't have that number right in front of me.
Trump: And then they came back in and they voted.
Mitchell: And voted. Yeah.
Trump: I thought that was a large number, though. It was in the 20s. The point is...
Germany: We've been going through each of those as well and those numbers that we got that Ms. Mitchell was just saying, they're not accurate. Every one we've been through, are people that lived in Georgia, moved to a different state, but then moved back to Georgia legitimately. And in many cases
Trump: How many people do that? They moved out and then they said, "Ah, to hell with it I'll move back." You know, it doesn't sound like a very normal ... you mean, they moved out, and what, they missed it so much that they wanted to move back in? It's crazy.

It appears thousands of people moved out of Georgia, voted elsewhere, then moved back into Georgia and voted in the 2020 election in Georgia. Trump thought that was crazy. I think that is crazy too. I’ve been to Georgia in August. It’s not something a normal person would do. Once they move out of Georgia, you would think they would be gone for good. Now I can see living there for your whole life. It’s different if you just don’t know any better. But moving back? I don’t know. Perhaps there is some rational explanation. Maybe they were rabid Braves fans. In any case the FBI checked this out and found nothing suspicious. It sounds like the agents are either dishonest or incompetent. Although they did conduct their investigation in the winter, so that may be the explanation.

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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3131 on: January 05, 2021, 05:20:03 AM »
Hey Mr Crow. Hope you are well. Would appreciate some science based info from you. Re: vaccines and immunity. Please. Thx. 

Or I could travel down great Barrington st, to scott atlas.  ( I think Teddy Atlas is smarter than scott atlas)

Hey John,

We are doing ok "down under". As you may be aware there are a couple of Covid mutations causing concern. One is from the UK and is much more infectious than the original. Another has emerged from South Africa and appears even more infectious. The data so far seems to indicate that they do not cause more severe disease but the mutations are in the attaching protein and "lock" the virus more securely onto our cells. Basically these variants will dominate populations through selection and increase the number of infected at any one time.

Of course your hospital systems are already at breaking point so for a period things are likely to get much worse.

As for vaccines the real game changer appears to be the Oxford version. It is at least 10x cheaper than Pfizer and Moderna and requires simple refrigeration for storage. It seems that the USA has not jumped on this version for some reason and your roll out has been lacking so far. There appears in the UK that they feel a single dose followed by a longer followup time is the way to go. They feel this will give increased coverage to more of the population. Just a single dose of Oxford afforded good protection in that no one in the trial group were hospitalised after just one dose.

As for the mutations mentioned above, at least at this point the vaccines appear to be effective for each, so that’s good news.

We might see some countries that are indicators of vaccine efficacy soon. I believe Israel has already vaccinated more than 10% of their population, when this increases even more it will be interesting to see how this soon this affects new daily cases appearing.

As for US politics, I find myself either shaking my head or laughing.......how anyone could continue to support the "clown shoe" in office is beyond me. They obviously don’t realise they cannot win with his "base"....it’s a losing percentage......he just got lucky in 2016. He alienates more against than for.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3132 on: January 05, 2021, 10:33:02 AM »

Nightmare scenario for January 6:

Mike Pence:  And the winner is . . . La La Land.

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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3133 on: January 05, 2021, 11:05:10 AM »

As for vaccines the real game changer appears to be the Oxford version. It is at least 10x cheaper than Pfizer and Moderna and requires simple refrigeration for storage. It seems that the USA has not jumped on this version for some reason and your roll out has been lacking so far. There appears in the UK that they feel a single dose followed by a longer followup time is the way to go. They feel this will give increased coverage to more of the population. Just a single dose of Oxford afforded good protection in that no one in the trial group were hospitalised after just one dose.

The problem seems to be that the company that developed the Oxford version, AstraZeneca, had never developed a vaccine before and made a couple of miss steps in their testing. Somehow, some of the test subjects only received half dozes for their first of two vaccinations. And when one or two people developed unusual symptoms, which were almost certainly not related to the vaccine, a common occurrence when testing with thousands of subjects, the company did not report on this immediately, as they should have done. As a result, the FDA is delaying approval in the U. S. for months.

If it was up to me, I would take the AstraZeneca vaccine right now. I don’t care it’s only a reported 70% effective, as opposed to the 94 to 95 % effectiveness of the Pfizer and Modera vaccines. I think that the FDA is being too cautious which is not warranted under the current circumstances. The AstraZeneca inexperience with running vaccine trials, combined with bad decision making by the company executives, combined with the FDA’s extreme “all the i’s must be dotted and the t’s crossed” is going to cost thousands of lives in the United States. Along with the relaxed attitude common among many Americans about social gatherings, partly due to the poor leadership of Trump.

Also, the hospitals are so extremely slow in giving out the vaccines, it wouldn’t matter if the companies were delivering one hundred million doses a day, the rate of vaccination would still be 100,000 to 500,000 vaccinations a day, which is way too slow. Hopefully, we will see a big speed up this week and is sustained. Trump is clearly too preoccupied with other matters to really look into this and finding out what the Federal government can do to help the individual states get up to speed. We need to get more clinics up and running. And if we run low on vaccines for a week or two, we can’t shut down these extra clinics so when the next batch does come in, we are ready to vaccine at a high rate, and not have to spend a week or two getting up to speed again. With have to keep these clinics going, and continue to pay the trained personal full time, even if at times they have nothing to do. We can’t be pennywise, dollar foolish.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3134 on: January 05, 2021, 11:32:23 AM »

From Trump’s January fourth speech in Georgia:

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But he returned again and again to his own election, attacking Mr. Raffensperger and Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican, saying: “They say they are Republicans. I really don’t think so. They can’t be.” The president also vowed that he would “be here in a year and a half campaigning against your governor — I guarantee you that.”

Hopefully Trump will be doing that from within a Georgia prison. Well, one can hope.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3135 on: January 05, 2021, 12:17:19 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-shared-the-wrong-number-for-a-michigan-lawmaker-a-28-year-old-has-gotten-thousands-of-angry-calls/ar-BB1ctP9r?ocid=msedgdhp

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Trump shared the wrong number for a Michigan lawmaker. A 28-year-old has gotten thousands of angry calls.

A 28-year-old Michigan native was napping on Sunday when they were suddenly awakened by a barrage of rings, pings and buzzes coming from their cellphone.

“I was scared,” said O Rose, who uses they/them pronouns and asked to withhold their full first name for safety reasons. “I thought I got doxed.”

In a way, Rose was doxed — but not purposefully. The source was the Trump campaign, which shared her number with 4.6 million followers on Twitter and Facebook.

On Sunday, the campaign asked supporters to call two Michigan state lawmakers and demand a vote to decertify President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in a state he won by more than 150,000 votes. The campaign posted numbers and emails for Michigan State Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey (R) and former Michigan House speaker Lee Chatfield (R).

Not only did the post, which President Trump also reshared to more than 35 million followers on his own Facebook page, falsely identify Chatfield as the current speaker, it also gave the wrong number for the former lawmaker.

Instead, that number belongs to Rose.

This train wreck, like the one in the movie “The Fugitive” just seems to keep going and going.

So, if you suddenly get hundreds of calls demanding that you decertify the Electoral Slate for Pennsylvania, don’t try to explain things to the callers, just put a message on your voice mail that you are aware of the problem and you are working to decertify the slate at Warp Speed. You can ask for their prayers to help with your effort. And maybe refer them to a “Go Fund Me” website if they would like to lend material support to your effort. Hey, when life hands you a lemon, make lemonade.
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