Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Joe Elliott]

How are things working out in the liberal utopias of California and NY?  Places that have been run by libs for decades.   Are people moving there or fleeing in droves?  What conclusion can be drawn from this?  Do people like high taxes, illegals pouring into their state, homeless hoards taking over the cities, riots and anarchy?  No?  Have no fear.  China Joe has no principles.  He is an establishment, do nothing politician who will only do what he is told by his paymasters.  Mostly on Wall St. and in China.  But when the radicals invoke the 25th Amendment, all bets are off.  Kantala, who received not one vote even in the primaries, will be calling the shots soon.

Reasonably well in California. No one is rigging the elections. The economy has been prosperous. Do I except this to continue? I think the high state taxes are a problem. A big problem. Just like they became a problem for Great Britain in the 1940’s through the 1070’s. But, as long as we maintain a democracy, the people will eventually wise up, just as they did in Great Britain, and we will get by.

[Joe Elliott]

Transcript and audio of Trump’s talk with the Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html

[Joe Elliott]

Richard. I was wondering. Have you read the transcripts of the conversation between Trump and the Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger? I’ll provide it again below:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html

Does this country need more fiscal responsibility? Yes. But does it have to come from Trump? Isn’t it time we start looking to someone else?

And by the way, was Trump really effective at reducing the deficit? Was he as good as Clinton?

[Joe Elliott]

Tuesday election is very important. If Trump can threaten, cajole, remind a Secret of State that he is a Republican and so he must demand that he find 11,780 votes for him, and the people of Georgia go vote for the candidates Trump’s supports and who support Trump through all this nonsense. God. Where are our checks and balances? Weak Republicans, and there are hundreds of them in Congress alone, will feel they have to do anything Trump tells him to do. This election is beyond important. We need the people of Georgia to come through for us. We need it bad.

[John Iacoletti]

From a Richard Smith post of December 01, 2020, 01:18:25 PM
From a Richard Smith post of November 21, 2020, 09:38:58 PM
Again, there is nothing here about a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy.

Nobody said there was. Again, that’s your construct.

Richard believes Biden got a lot more votes because they made it so much easier for the to vote because they allowed mail in ballots.

They allowed mail-in ballots before 2020 too.

I think Richard would agree with me on this. Our biggest difference is that he sees this as unfortunate.

It’s more that that. He erroneously claims that it flipped the election. As if these mail-in voters wouldn’t have voted at all.

I am convinced these changes were not made to give Biden an unfair advantage.

Me too. But not “Richard”. That’s the conspiracy-think.

Nowhere, does Richard make the same charges Michael Griffith or Allan Fritzke make.

Nobody said he did. There are different levels of conspiracy-think, and different kinds of conspiracy claims.

Two people digging a ditch is not a conspiracy. Ten people digging a tunnel is not a conspiracy. Unless the digging is kept hidden, secret, and done for some purpose, like escaping a prison. The changing of the laws to allow more mail-in ballots was done out in the open and agreed to by the legislatures.

But he went beyond that by claiming that they used the virus as a pretext with a secret agenda to give Democrats an advantage. That makes it a conspiracy.

[John Iacoletti]

How are things working out in the liberal utopias of California and NY?  Places that have been run by libs for decades.   Are people moving there or fleeing in droves?  What conclusion can be drawn from this?  Do people like high taxes, illegals pouring into their state, homeless hoards taking over the cities, riots and anarchy?  No?  Have no fear.  China Joe has no principles.  He is an establishment, do nothing politician who will only do what he is told by his paymasters.  Mostly on Wall St. and in China.  But when the radicals invoke the 25th Amendment, all bets are off.  Kantala, who received not one vote even in the primaries, will be calling the shots soon.

Classic “Richard”. Completely ignore the events of the day and spew the same old Trump propaganda.

[John Iacoletti]

Do any of the Trump supporters have anything to say about Trump’s phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State? Defensible? Indefensible?

Anyone?  If the Raffensperger call doesn’t convince you that Trump is a crook and a thug, then nothing possibly could. Cheers to him for recording the call. He’s already been threatened with a lawsuit for doing so (but Georgia is a one-party consent state).

[Joe Elliott]

GOP senators say they will reject election results unless commission is formed

Several senators, led by Senator Ted Cruz, say they will reject the Electoral College results unless a commission is appointed to conduct a 10-day audit of the results. Congress is set to count the Electoral College votes on January 6.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-senators-say-they-will-reject-election-results-unless-commission-is-formed/ar-BB1cqccA?ocid=msedgntp

Questions:

1.   If this this request is acted on, will President Trump directly contact the members of the commission and threaten them with criminal prosecution and make other threats to them, unless they find enough votes for him to win?

2.   Will threats be made to their families, as has happened to the Secretary of State of Arizona?

I am addressing these questions to anyone who supports Trump.