Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[John Iacoletti]

In the case of Trump inciting violence and insurrection, prove it with his statement?

"Our media is not free. It’s not fair. It suppresses thought. It suppresses speech, and it’s become the enemy of the people. It’s become the enemy of the people. It’s the biggest problem we have in this country. No third world countries would even attempt to do what we caught them doing and you’ll hear about that in just a few minutes. Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer, and we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution. Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."

Not one person in jail for crimes committed at high levels by politicians like Schiff either.   

What "crime" did Schiff commit?

Example.  If Hunter Biden had a laptop and it contains a pornographic video of him being masturbated by a woman's feet and released - it should not likewise be censored and not newsworthy because it could influence an election.

What the hell would that have to do with an election?  That's just your prurient interest.

  If it contained emails that were seen in Congress and also in possession at the same time by the FBI, there is a problem.    If there was an email released that said there was "10 for the Big Guy",  it should be just as propagated in news stories as what they did to Trump over the last 4 years.

If it was legitimate, they would have let other news organizations examine the alleged hard drive copied from the alleged laptop.

   What gives NYT, Facebook or Twitter or FBI or government officials the right to leak materials anonymously and with bias against Republicans to the media.  That is not playing fair in my opinion and where 1st amendment right of free speech is being negated and replaced by one sided news (called propaganda) and used to steal elections.

Speaking of propaganda -- no election has been "stolen".  This is the kind of rhetoric that incited the mob on Wednesday.

   What do you think happened in Germany 80 years ago?  They controlled their own media and reported to the people.   Are we not in danger of this today if no one counteracts.  The media was and is to question all corruption without bias and investigate for the people, not for one party alone.

Trump is the one trying to control the media.

[Joe Elliott]

House Democrats have drafted and released an article of impeachment against Donald Trump, citing him for “incitement of insurrection” with the attack on the U.S. Capitol Building. The article was drafted by Ted Lieu and David Cicilline.

Cicilline appeared on CNN and revealed that the article of impeachment will be voted on as soon as Monday. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has already threatened to move forward with impeachment if Mike Pence doesn’t invoke the 25th Amendment. I presume that this now means Pence has until Monday to get his act together and make the 25th Amendment happen, or else impeachment will happen.

I hope he does. But Mike Pence has shown himself to be a man of courage and integrity. I have some pretty strong beefs with the Republican Party right now, and certain Senators and too many House members to shake a stick at. But whoever advised making Mike Pence the running mate of Donald Trump did a service to this country. Imagine if it was Ted Cruz. It would have turned the ceremony into a fiasco.

“The vote on the objection was 7 for and 93 against. But using my prerogative as the President of the Senate, I will pocket the certificate from the state of Arizona”.

Biden would still be President, but man.

If Mike Pence decides not to invoke the 25th Amendment, I will respect his decision and hope he made the right choice. I heard a suggestion that Trump could take a two-week vacation in Florida, leaving his Chief of Staff in charge, without a formal removal from office. I would prefer Pence to be left in charge, but I guess I can accept the Chief of Staff, whoever that might be.

In the meantime, as Nancy Pelosi goes for impeachment, I will respect her decision and hope for her success. The Republicans better not let me down on this. Not even on dragging their heels. They need to make up for recent sins. If they can’t declare the elections were valid and the fraud claims were bogus, they better partially make up for it in some other way. My only regret is that I only have one life to leave the party.

[Joe Elliott]

Today, within two miles of where I live, there are two houses with American flags and Trump flags. They flew both after the November elections. They flew both after all the Electoral votes were recorded at the State Capitals. They flew both after all the states sent in their Electoral certificates to Congress. They flew both flew yesterday after the Capitol riot and Congress formally accepting the Biden victory. And they both continue to fly today after the death of the Capitol Police officer.

So today, I walk by the second house with a tall flagpole flying both flags as it always does and ignored it. And continued on to the house next door which just has a more modest American flag on a regular staff. And stopped, put down by bag, took off my hat, placed it over my heart, faced the more modest flag and recited out loud the Pledge of Allegiance. Within view of both houses. I think I have recited the pledge a few times over the years but it’s been over forty years since I did that as a regular basis in high school. And I will continue to do that each time I walk by until that Trump flag goes down on their neighbor’s yard.

[Rick Plant]

Trump is the one trying to control the media.

Which is why he calls the mainstream media "fake news" and the "enemy of the people" encouraging his scumbag anti American seditious cult members to beat up journalists and reporters. His whole goal was what Hitler did, attack the free press to make them irrelevant and not to be trusted so only his propaganda can be spewed by his right wing outlets.       

[Rick Plant]

Seditious Donald has been permanently suspended from Twitter. Something that should have been done a long time ago.

More Republicans are now supporting impeachment but there are still traitors that refuse to support it.

Nancy Pelosi is giving Seditious Donald until Monday to resign or for Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment otherwise Articles of Impeachment will be begin first thing Monday morning.       

[Martin Weidmann]

I agree this violence should never have happened.   The 42 year old officer died after being hit with a fire extinguisher as Joe pointed out.  He collapsed later at his precinct and likely had a blood clot from his injury - very sad.      Yes, that is tragic but no officer was killed at the scene.  This march was announced long before it occurred.  Where were the police and why did they allow an infiltration into the building?  Where was the teargas and resistance?  Did the police really open up the gates or was that photo op made by Trump supporters?   

The only one killed violently at the scene was Ashley and you can clearly see this in the video, there were  4 heavily armed police with ARs nearby or on there way there.  How did the mob get past them?  The other 3 of the 5 deaths were heart attacks and that happens in any crowd of 100,000 plus.   Surely these heavily armed police should have been deployed at doorways to buildings earlier and ground stood - not inside!    The man on the other side of door, did not attempt to arrest and give warning  but chose to shoot her in cold blood to make an example.   Of course, it is always justified when you can say it was done to stop the onslaught of the mob.    Biden should give him the medal of honor and elevate him to hero status for doing that!

One of the main right wing arguments used to somehow shift the blame to others is the question being asked why there were not more police on hand, when they were warned in advance. The reply is an easy one and also a question; why did there have to be more police to secure the building when the protesters were really only protesters, and how could they have known that some of them were not protesters but rioters instead?

Protests happen every day in Washington. Up until now, none of those protests have ever resulted in a storming of the building by an angry mob of rioters. So, if this was to be a peaceful demonstration, why did there have to be riot police and National Guard on hand to protect a building that was never stormed before?

If all the protesters had behaved lawfully, the protest would have stayed without incident and 5 people would not have died. To somehow blame the Capitol police officers because there were not enough of them to stop the mob is pathetic.

The bottom line is; the rioters had no business storming the building. It is they who are responsible for 5 deaths and nobody else!

[Allan Fritzke]

The biggest problem I see is that it went out of control.   I don't think it was planned that way - it was escalated by thugs.   You could say you had similar situation where BLM marches had same consequences.  Some peaceful protestors marching  will a few that are smashing, looting and burning businesses to the ground.  Because it was the Capital buildings, it now gives the government an excuse to implement even more control since it took place on Federal property.  It appears only 2 aggravated deaths, the policeman and Ashli Babbitt and officer Brian Sicknick.  The other 3 were likely heart attacks and not from provocation - haven't heard nothing about them except that they were medical incidents.  Would you expect if you have a million people there! 
   
When you see a police man gun down a helpless woman in execution style (not self-defense), without even a warning in the video of "stop or I will shoot" - very uncalled for.  You see the gun come around corner of office  and shoot in cold blood without warning in the videos.  It is another George Floyd type killing.   Was she resisting arrest or warned?  It looked like excessive force was used.  I didn't see any weapon on her.

Oh well.  Soon utopia will be here.  Biden and Harris with the help of Sanders can ensure that the treasury is further indebted and Kruschev socialism can be ushered in to replace.  Maybe there is a Chinese version?!   Here is a brief excerpt from his UN Speech.   Will China turn capitalist or will US turn communist?   Will the CCP party win or will it be the Democrats?!

https://archive.org/stream/khrushchevinamer006997mbp/khrushchevinamer006997mbp_djvu.txt

I said that in the course of historical progress and in the historical sense, capitalism would be buried and communism would come to replace capitalism. You will say that this is out of the question. But then the feudal lords burned at the stake those who fought against feudalism and yet capitalism won out.  Capitalism fights against communism. I am convinced that the winner will be communism, a social system which creates better conditions for the development of a country's productive forces, enables every individual to prove his worth and guarantees complete freedom for society, for every member of society. You may disagree with me. I disagree with you. What are we to do, then? We must coexist Live on under capitalism, and we will build communism. The new and progressive will win; and the old and moribund will die. You believe that the capitalist system is more productive, that it creates better conditions for social progress, that it will win. But the brief history of our Soviet state does not speak in favor of capitalism.

 

[Joe Elliott]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/james-clyburn-says-somebody-on-the-inside-of-capitol-was-complicit/ar-BB1cB2Pn?ocid=msedgntp

House Majority Whip James Clyburn suggested the ease in which rioters were able to get into the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday suggests that someone on the inside of the Capitol was "complicit" in the assault.
"I do believe that something was going on," Clyburn told CBSN anchor Lana Zak on Friday. "They knew where to go. I've been told … by some other Congress people that their staff are saying that they saw people being allowed into the building through side doors. Who opened those side doors for these protesters, or I call them these mobsters, to come into the building, not through the main entrance where magnetometers are but through side doors. Yes, somebody on the inside of those buildings were complicit in this."

Supporters of President Trump ransacked the building, forcing the evacuation of lawmakers who were meeting to count the Electoral College votes.
Clyburn suggested his inner office was targeted by the mob because there was "activity outside of my inner office where most people don't know where that is."

"The office with my name on the door was not touched. But the office where I do most of my work in, they were on that floor and outside that door," the South Carolina Democrat said.

Clyburn also said he felt something was "amiss" Wednesday morning when he arrived at the Capitol and "the perimeter had not been established."

"There were no security people on the steps. They were all out in a place which I thought gave low security," he said, adding, "They were not just derelict. You could say they were complicit."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/07/security-fallout-in-capitol-could-be-swift-455803

McConnell said ultimate blame lies with "unhinged criminals" that desecrated the Capitol, but nonetheless suggested that the Congress would have to address the "shocking failures in the Capitol’s security posture and protocols.” Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), a trusted Pelosi ally who chairs the committee in charge of Capitol security logistics, said Sund misled her about the security preparations for the Jan. 6. session.

Lofgren told reporters Thursday that the Capitol Police chief assured her that all contingencies were in place and "there was no doubt they were completely able to keep us secure in the Capitol." The National Guard was at the ready, Lofgren said Sund told her.

"We were told it was all in place, it was all a go," she said. "It was just not true. They had not been called."

Ok. I no longer think there is some possibility of Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund allowing the riot to enter the Capitol. I think it is very likely. He told Representative Lofgren that the National Guard was in place and ready. Yes. All 300 of them. They would have about as much chance as the original Spartan 300. Except the National Guard 300 were placed well away from the Capitol and could not stop the all-critical initial break in. At bad as they had it, least the Spartan 300 where placed squarely in the middle of the narrow pass of Thermopylae where they could block the huge Persian army and not put out of position by hundreds of yards. And just as the Spartan 300 had a Greek traitor who guided the Persians so they can outflank the Spartan 300, it seems the Capitol Police had one or more traitors opening doors allowing the loyal Capital Policemen to get outflanked.

It sounds like Sund arranged for the minimum number to be available so he could tell people, “Don’t worry, we have the National Guard in place”. And there were others who opened doors. And told leaders of the “protesters” which side doors to go to. While many, most of the Capitol Police tried there best, got injured, one got killed, there were at a few who were helping.