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« Reply #4608 on: February 06, 2022, 02:10:17 PM »
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Trump's operation is 'in a meltdown' as 'walls close in' and Pence revolts: former GOP lawmaker



Mike Pence's rebuke of Donald Trump on Friday was the beginning of the end for the former president, according to former GOP Congresswoman Barbara Comstock.

"I think what you're seeing is, the Trump operation is in sort of a meltdown," Comstock told CNN on SaPersonay. "Of course, Mike Pence is right — Donald Trump was wrong — and he basically also called him un-American, and he did it in front of conservative Federalist Society members who gave him a standing ovation."

Comstock noted that Florida GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis, a potential 2024 presidential candidate, also appeared at the event and was spotted speaking with former Trump White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany — "who has turned over apparently, reportedly, a lot of her documents to the (House Jan. 6) committee."

"You have Mike Pence staff meeting with the committee, talking to them, turning over documents now while the (National) Archive(s) documents are being turned over," Comstock said.

"The walls are closing in on Trump, and I think this was a desperate audience-of-one resolution from the RNC," Comstock said, referring to the Republican National Committee's censure of Reps. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) and Liz Cheney (R-WY), which referred to the Capitol insurrection as "legitimate political discourse."

"Let's not call it the Republican Party," Comstock said of the RNC. "It's 168 members who obviously are intimidated by Donald Trump."

"But I think you're going to have not just Mike Pence, but people like (former Attorney General) Bill Barr and other Justice Department people stand up," she added. "If they interview people from the White House counsel's office — they all told Donald Trump he was wrong. And then as we've talked about repeatedly, those Jan. 6 emails and contacts in the weeks and days leading up to it, all of that contemporaneous documentation is going to come out and spill out, and show that not only was Donald Trump wrong, he was engaged in what I think could very likely be criminal activity, but certainly was unconstitutional and impeachable, which will make people like Liz Cheney be more than right in what she's doing, and (is) why the Jan. 6 committee is so important."

After CNN host Jim Acosta played a clip of GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz criticizing Pence on Steve Bannon's podcast, Comstock unloaded on the pair.

"These are the lowest of the low, these are the only people left in the Trump circle," she said. "Look at who didn't speak up yesterday. There were not people out on Fox (News) all day defending this resolution or pushing back on Mike Pence, or defending the former president and his talk of (Jan. 6) pardons. Republicans are now silent. So if you're Donald Trump, that means you don't have a lot of support. You may intimidate people, but these are all people who really ultimately hope you go away."

"It's all closing in on him, and these desperate people who he still has around him themselves may be in need of, hoping for, pardons or power from Donald Trump, something that will never come because he never will be re-elected," Comstock said. "But it is a pathetic group who is still around him, and Republicans should not fear a man who has people around him you wouldn't hire to run for a dog catcher's race, so why would you fear these people now?"

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RNC lashed out because Jan. 6 probe is ‘getting very close’ to fake Trump electors: Former GOP lawmaker



The Republican National Committee censured two GOP lawmakers for serving on the House Jan. 6 committee in part because some members are "nervous" that the Capitol riot probe is "getting very close" to them, according to former Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA).

Appearing on CNN on SaPersonay night, Dent slammed the committee for its censure resolution targeting Reps. Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney, which referred to the Jan. 6 insurrection as "legitimate political discourse."

"I'll tell you what, the Republican National Committee just wrote a whole bunch of ads for the Democrats in the midterms with that 'legitimate political discourse' — just juxtaposing that language against the people who were violently attacking police officers," Dent said. "It's just incredible that they would issue a crazy statement like they did. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if they censured Mike Pence right now, after his comments yesterday."

"They're so in the tank for the former president," he added. "They even paid $1.6 million of Trump's personal legal fees. It seems like the RNC are willing hostages, as Liz Cheney would say, to Donald Trump. I've never seen anything like it. I've been censured by a county committee. I know what that's like. We have some county committees that are kind of a little wacky, and some state parties that will do this. Now the RNC is carrying on like this. They should know better, but apparently they don't."

Dent went on to bring up the Jan. 6 committee's investigation into fake Trump electoral certificates that were signed and submitted by Republicans in seven states.

"I think part of the reason why the RNC reacted so foolishly against Cheney and Kinzinger, is because the Jan. 6 committee issued 14 subpoenas to some of these fake electors," he said. "And I suspect they're getting very close to some members of the Republican National Committee, and they're a little nervous about that, and they ought to be, frankly. ... The RNC is really anxious. Some of those members I think have to be concerned about those subpoenas, so that's what this is about more than anything else."

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Trump illegally ripped up 'hundreds' of documents despite warnings — with many destroyed in 'burn bags'



Former president Donald Trump tore up "hundreds" of White House records during his administration — in clear violation of federal law — despite "multiple admonishments," the Washington Post reported SaPersonay.

"The documents included briefings and schedules, articles and letters, memos both sensitive and mundane," the Post reported. "He ripped paper into quarters with two big, clean strokes — or occasionally more vigorously, into smaller scraps. He left the detritus on his desk in the Oval Office, in the trash can of his private West Wing study and on the floor aboard Air Force One, among many other places. And he did it all in violation of the Presidential Records Act, despite being urged by at least two chiefs of staff and the White House counsel to follow the law on preserving documents."

Trump's practice of destroying official documents — which has long since been reported — made headlines again this week after the House Select Committee investigating the Capitol insurrection received records from the National Archives that appeared to have been taped back together.

"Interviews with 11 former Trump staffers, associates and others familiar with the habit reveal that Trump’s shredding of paper was far more widespread and indiscriminate than previously known and — despite multiple admonishments — extended throughout his presidency, resulting in special practices to deal with the torn fragments," the Post reported SaPersonay.

Trump's team reportedly implemented protocols to deal with the torn records, which involved "jigsawing the documents back together with clear tape."

"It is unclear how many records were lost or permanently destroyed through Trump’s ripping routine, as well as what consequences, if any, he might face. Hundreds of documents, if not more, were likely torn up, those familiar with the practice say," according to the newspaper.

"One senior Trump White House official said he and other White House staffers frequently put documents into 'burn bags' to be destroyed, rather than preserving them, and would decide themselves what should be saved and what should be burned," the Post reported. "When the Jan. 6 committee asked for certain documents related to Trump’s efforts to pressure Vice President Mike Pence, for example, some of them no longer existed in this person’s files because they had already been shredded, said someone familiar with the request."

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Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Atlanta-area DA expects special grand jury in Trump probe to see a lot of activity in June and July

An Atlanta-area district attorney investigating former President Donald Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia expects a special grand jury for the case to see a lot of activity in June and July, according to reporting from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Thursday.

CNN reported last week that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis had been granted approval for the special grand jury by a judge and that Willis was expecting to seat the panel starting May 2.

Willis told the newspaper in an exclusive interview that although the special grand jury can continue its work through the spring of 2023, it's possible the group will wrap up before then.

"There's a possibility that after two months we'll have all the information we need to press forward. There's a possibility that after week one that some appellate issue will come and there's a halt," she said. "But what I do think is within a year we will have all the information that we need," she told the paper. "We realize we are coming to a place where there are enough people that will require a subpoena for us to speak to for us to be able to get information and so yes we are headed into phase two and phase two I believe starts when we actually start with a special purpose grand jury."

Willis previously wrote that her office has "received information indicating a reasonable probability that the State of Georgia's administration of elections in 2020, including the State's election of President of the United States, was subject to possible criminal disruptions," according to a letter sent to Christopher Brasher, chief judge of Fulton County's Superior Court, and provided by the court.

Though the special grand jury does not have the authority to issue an indictment, it will be able to entirely focus on gathering evidence in the Trump investigation. Willis said she needed such a grand jury in order to issue subpoenas to compel witnesses to testify and to gather additional evidence -- a step toward pursuing possible criminal charges.

Willis has been investigating whether Trump or his allies committed any crimes in their campaign to convince Georgia officials to find fraud and hand Trump a victory in the Peach State. The probe was launched last year following Trump's call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger wherein he pushed the Republican to "find" votes to overturn the election results.

Willis also told the newspaper she has endured a number of racist attacks since her work on the case began.

"I've gotten more racist comments in the last year" than she has ever had before, Willis said. "I get called an 'N' very regularly. It's really silly to me that they believe that by hurling those kind of insults that it is going to impact the way we do our investigation. It's not going to impact me to do something faster, it's not going to impact me in treating the former President or anyone else unfairly, and it's not going to make me stop what I have a lawful duty to do."

Earlier this week, Willis asked for the FBI's help in providing security for buildings and staff after Trump -- at a rally in Conroe, Texas, this past weekend -- called prosecutors investigating him "racists" and said his supporters should hold "the biggest protests we have ever had" in cities like Atlanta, New York and Washington if the prosecutors "do anything wrong or illegal."

"What I'll tell you is that conversations have begun and I believe that those partnerships are necessary to keep all of us here safe," she told the paper.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/04/politics/fani-willis-fulton-county-georgia-investigation-trump/index.html

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« Reply #4610 on: February 06, 2022, 11:28:59 PM »
GOP lawmakers privately expressing anger with Trump as RNC meeting ends: Politico reporter

Appearing on CNN's "Inside Politics" on Sunday morning, Politico's Meredith McGraw revealed that Republican lawmakers are rapidly growing tired of Donald Trump and his grievances dominating the news as they try to prepare for the November midterms.

Following a discussion on the former president's waning influence on the party -- while remaining popular with his rabid base -- McGraw brought up the RNC meeting in Salt Lake City where Republicans came out grumbling about Trump -- and issues about him -- grabbing all the headlines.

"I spoke to a few senior Republican officials who were at the event there in Utah this week and they were very disappointed that the headlines that came out of this past week were all focused on Trump and the censorship of [Reps. Liz] Cheney and [Adam] Kinzinger at a time where they personally feel that they are at a political advantage when it comes to talking about the Biden administration, the economy and their handling of Covid," she told the panel. "Instead of focusing on things that they really do feel like they have a winning message on."

"Instead, what came out of the past week and what continues to come out of so many Republican events is a focus on Trump, a focus on 2020, and not a focus on the future or what their message is."

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Trump’s incendiary Texas speech may have deepened his legal troubles, experts say
Promising pardons for insurrectionists and calling for protests if indicted could help make a case for obstruction of justice




Donald Trump’s incendiary call at a Texas rally for his backers to ready massive protests against “radical, vicious, racist prosecutors” could constitute obstruction of justice or other crimes and backfire legally on Trump, say former federal prosecutors.

Trump’s barbed attack was seen as carping against separate federal and state investigations into his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results and his real estate empire.

Trump’s rant that his followers should launch the “biggest protests” ever in three cities should prosecutors “do anything wrong or illegal” by criminally charging him for his efforts to overturn Joe Biden’s 2020 victory, or for business tax fraud, came at a 30 January rally in Texas where he repeated falsehoods that the election was rigged.

Legal experts were astonished at Trump’s strong hints that if he runs and wins a second term in 2024, he would pardon many of those charged for attacking the Capitol on 6 January last year in hopes of thwarting Biden’s certification by Congress.

Former Richard Nixon White House counsel John Dean attacked Trump’s talk of pardons for the rioters as the “stuff of dictators” and stressed that “failure to confront a tyrant only encourages bad behavior”.

Taken together, veteran prosecutors say Trump’s comments seemed to reveal that the former president now feels more legal jeopardy from the three inquiries in Atlanta, Washington and New York, all of which have accelerated since the start of 2022.

Trump’s anxiety was especially palpable when he urged supporters at the Texas rally to stage “the biggest protests we have ever had in Washington DC, in New York, in Atlanta and elsewhere,” should any charges be brought, a plea for help that could boomerang and create more legal problems for the former president.

Dennis Aftergut, a former federal prosecutor who is of counsel to Lawyers Defending American Democracy, told the Guardian Trump “may have shot himself in the foot” with the comments. “Criminal intent can be hard to prove, but when a potential defendant says something easily seen as intimidating or threatening to those investigating the case it becomes easier,” Aftergut said.

Aftergut added that having proclaimed “his support for the insurrectionists, Trump added evidence of his corrupt intent on January 6 should the DOJ prosecute him for aiding the seditious conspiracy, or for impeding an official proceeding of Congress”.

Likewise, a former US attorney in Georgia, Michael Moore, said Trump’s comments could “potentially intimidate witnesses and members of a grand jury”, noting that it is a felony in Georgia to deter a witness from testifying before a grand jury.

Trump “is essentially calling for vigilante justice against the justice system. He’s not interested in the pursuit of justice but blocking any investigations”, Moore added.

Trump’s angry outburst came as three investigations by prosecutors that could lead to charges against Trump or top associates all seemed to gain steam last month.

A special grand jury, for example, was approved in Atlanta focused on Trump’s call to Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger on 2 January last year, asking him to just “find” enough votes to block Joe Biden’s Georgia victory, a state Trump lost by more than 11,700 votes.

Trump’s call for huge protests prompted the Fulton county district attorney, Fani Willis, who is leading the criminal inquiry, to ask the FBI to do a threat assessment to protect her office and the grand jury that is slated to meet in May.

Last month too a top justice official revealed that DOJ is investigating fake elector certifications declaring Trump the winner in several states he lost, a scheme reportedly pushed by Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani by which vice-president Mike Pence could block Congress from certifying Biden’s win. To Trump’s chagrin, Pence rejected the plan.

Further, the New York state attorney general last month stated in a court document that investigators had found evidence that Trump’s real estate business used “fraudulent or misleading” asset valuations to obtain loans and tax benefits, allegations Trump and his lawyers called politically motivated.

Ex-prosecutors say that Trump’s Texas comments are dangerous and could legally boomerang as the prosecutors appear to have new momentum.

“Our criminal laws seek to hold people accountable for their purposeful actions,” Paul Pelletier, a former acting chief of the fraud section at DOJ, said. “Trump’s history of inciting people to violence demonstrates that his recent remarks are likely to cause a disruption of the pending investigations against him and family members.”

Pelletier added: “Should his conduct actually impede any of these investigations, federal and state obstruction statutes could easily compound Mr Trump’s criminal exposure.”

Trump’s remarks resonated especially in Georgia, where former prosecutors say he may now face new legal problems.

Former prosecutor Aftergut noted that Willis understood the threat when she quickly asked the FBI to provide protection at the courthouse, and he predicted that the immediate effect on the deputy DAs working on the case would be “to energize them in pursuing the case”.

In a similar vein, ex-ambassador Norm Eisen and States United Democracy Center co-chair said Trump’s call for protests in Atlanta, New York and Washington if prosecutors there charge him “certainly sounds like a barely veiled call for violence. That’s particularly true when you combine it with his other statements at the Texas rally about how the last crowd of insurrectionists are being mistreated and did no wrong”.

In addition, congresswoman Liz Cheney, the co-chair of the House panel investigating the 6 January Capitol assault by Trump followers, has stated that Trump’s talk of pardons and encouraging new protests suggests he would “do it all again if given the chance”.

On another legal front, Aftergut pointed out that some Trump comments at the rally might help prosecutors at DOJ expand their inquiry. “Trump handed federal prosecutors another gift when he said that Mike Pence should have ‘overturned the election’.”

Some veteran consultants say Trump’s latest attacks on prosecutors shows he is growing more nervous as investigations appear to be getting hotter.

“Trump’s prosecutor attacks are wearing thin with the broad Republican electorate,” said Arizona Republican consultant Chuck Coughlin “He’s trying to whip up the base for his personal gain. This is another iteration of Trump’s attacks on the government.”

From a broader perspective, Moore stressed that Trump’s multiple attacks on the legal system at the Texas rally represent “just another erosion of the norms of a civilized society by Trump. The truth has taken a backseat to Trumpism”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/07/donald-trump-incendiary-speech-texas-legal-troubles-experts

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« Reply #4612 on: February 07, 2022, 02:15:09 PM »
Donald Trump’s Tirade on ‘Racist’ District Attorneys Echoes Other Racist Tropes

NEW YORK (AP) — Looking out at a sea of faces at a Texas fairground, most of them white, former President Donald Trump seethed about his legal troubles and blamed them on malicious prosecutors.

“These prosecutors are vicious, horrible people. They’re racists and they’re very sick, they’re mentally sick,” Trump said, before warning his audience: “In reality, they’re not after me. They’re after you.”

He repeated his charge of racism, but skipped over an obvious detail: Those prosecutors are Black.

His diatribe left the clear impression that Trump, who rode the politics of white grievance into the White House, thinks he can’t possibly be treated fairly by Black officials.

The comments carry the echoes of racist messages that have proliferated in recent years –- that Black people and other minorities are taking power, and that they will exact revenge on white people, or at the very least treat white people as they have been treated.

That’s among the fears stoking the white supremacy movement, the so-called “white replacement theory” that people of color will supplant whites in the country’s power dynamics and social structure.

“These are the same justifications that they use for Jim Crow laws and their mistreatment of African Americans. So this is just a rerun of what we’ve seen in our country,” said one Black district attorney, Brian Middleton of Fort Bend County, Texas, which lies southwest of central Houston.

Trump attacking prosecutors is nothing new. When his business and political dealings are investigated, he often strikes back with accusations of misconduct and witch hunts.

The former president has long been accused of biogtry. Before the 2016 election, Trump called U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel a “hater” who could not be fair to him in a fraud case involving Trump University because of the judge’s Hispanic heritage and because Trump vowed to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico.

And after 2017 demonstrations by white supremacists in Charlottesville, Virginia, turned violent, he said at a news conference that there were “very fine people, on both sides.”

He had never accused his prosecutors of racism before — but then, until the start of the year, one of those attorneys was Cyrus Vance Jr., who is white.

Now he faces an array of Black prosecutors: New York Attorney General Letitia James; Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, Vance’s successor and the first Black person to hold that office; Fani Willis, the Fulton County, Georgia, DA; even Rep. Bennie Thompson, the leader of the congressional investigation into the Jan. 6 insurrection. And critics say Trump’s rhetoric has escalated, perhaps because he recognizes that some among his base are receptive to more overt racism.

“It intensifies that discourse and makes it explicitly racial,” said Casey Kelly, a communications professor at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln who for years has pored over transcripts of Trump’s speeches.

At a recent rally in Arizona, he said — falsely — that white people in New York were being sent to the back of line for antiviral treatments.

And now Trump is using the investigations against him — and the prosecutors behind them — as “evidence of a larger systemic pattern that white people don’t have a place in the future of America and he’s the only one that can fight on their behalf,” Kelly said.

Michael Steele, who more than a decade ago was the first African American to chair the Republican National Committee, said Trump was being Trump.

“If he can race bait it, he will. These prosecutors, these Black people are coming after me — the white man,” Steele said.

“They didn’t just wake up and say, ‘I’m gonna waste city resources and state resources to go after Donald Trump,’” said Steele, a member of the Lincoln Project, a Republican group opposed to the former president. “Whether the prosecutors are Black or white, his corruption is still the same. It’s him, his actions, his behavior, his decisions — and that’s where the onus lies.”

There is evidence that Trump’s words have had consequences. Willis — the Georgia prosecutor who asked a judge to impanel a special grand jury to help probe possible “criminal disruptions” by Trump and his allies during the 2020 presidential election and its aftermath -- told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that threats and racist slurs against her have increased since Trump’s rally in Texas.

In a letter to the FBI, Willis called Trump’s rhetoric “alarming.” She called on the FBI to help assess security at the county courthouse and provide personnel to protect the area against possible attack, like the one on the U.S. Capitol a year ago.

Trump has his defenders. Harrison Fields, who worked in the Trump White House, now serves as a spokesman for U.S. Rep. Byron Donalds of Florida, a Trump ally and one of only two Black Republicans serving in the House. He said the country has more important matters to tackle.

Donalds sees Trump’s remarks as “a nonstory, as do about 98% of the American public, who are not in the media, or who are not in the Democrat Party,” Fields said.

“The congressman is focused on issues that actually matter, which is supporting the America-first policies of the former president,” he said.

The flip side of Trump’s aspersions of Black prosecutorial power is the argument that it has been too long in coming.

The country’s system of law and order has long subjugated African Americans — from slavery through the days of Jim Crow until today, some would argue, as some states adopt anti-protest laws and tighter control over the ballot box. Black inmates still disproportionately occupy jail and prison cells.

A 2019 study by the Reflective Democracy Campaign found that only 5% of the country’s elected prosecutors were of color. But Black men and women now lead some of the country’s largest prosecutorial offices, including those in New York, Chicago, Dallas and Detroit.

Trump is questioning their legitimacy, said Diana Becton, another Black district attorney who serves in Contra Costa County in the San Francisco Bay area.

“His accusations are certainly not subtle. They’re frightening,” Becton said. “It’s like saying, we are out of our place, that we’re being uppity and we are going to be put back in our place by people who look like him.”

Middleton, the Texas DA, added that it's not about unjust laws. There are double standards in how laws are applied. And one remedy is to diversify the people who enforce those laws.

“Certain people get away with things and so we need people who are willing to hold people like Donald Trump accountable,” he said, “where we have to have people in positions of authority who will make sure that all people are treated the same under the law.”

https://news.wttw.com/2022/02/06/donald-trump-s-tirade-racist-district-attorneys-echoes-other-racist-tropes

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National Archives says Trump representatives are still looking for additional docs he smuggled to Mar-a-Lago

Monday that former President Donald Trump improperly smuggled several White House documents with him to his home in Mar-a-Lago -- and there are apparently still more out there.

The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) has now released a statement claiming that "former President Trump’s representatives have informed NARA that they are continuing to search for additional Presidential records that belong to the National Archives" that were wrongly removed from the White House last year.

"These records should have been transferred to NARA from the White House at the end of the Trump Administration in January 2021," the agency added.

Archivist of the United States David Ferriero also outlined the importance of properly maintaining presidential records.

"The Presidential Records Act is critical to our democracy, in which the government is held accountable by the people," he said. "There should be no question as to the need for both diligence and vigilance. Records matter."

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News from @USNatArchives on our story this AM: In mid-January 2022, NARA arranged for the transport from Mar-A-Lago 15 boxes that contained Presidential records



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« Reply #4614 on: February 08, 2022, 01:49:17 PM »
‘Should be easy’: Former prosecutor says Georgia DA has the evidence to indict Trump



The Georgia prosecutor investigating Donald Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election could be criminally charged now, but the prosecutor is pursuing a more expansive case that will take longer, a former federal prosecutor explained on CNN on Tuesday.

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has been investigating Trump for nearly a year after the publication of audio from a phone call when Trump attempted to convince Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to overturn the 2020 election.

CNN's John Berman interviewed lawyer Michael Moore, who served as the U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Georgia.

"You know, I think there is," Moore replied.

"I think there could be a very clear cut case and sort of a rifle shot approach to this," he explained. "That is to just move forward on quick felony charge using the phone call as the basis of that."

Moore said that Raffensperger's testimony could be powerful.

"He has been all over the news media when this happened," he explained. "He told everybody about -- he wrote a book about it and marketed for his book as he made appearances. we have other statements from him that could be used in a prosecution. That's one of the reasons that I think a clear criminal grand jury would be easy."

"What this tells me about what she's doing — moving forward looking at conspiracy charges, possible charges on other people — that's fine. There's validity to casting a wider net. The thing you have to be aware of as prosecutor, the wider the net, the more shots you make available by defense attack in appellate courts," he explained.

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Erik Prince convinced right-wing heiress to fund political espionage against Trump critics



The billionaire founder of the Blackwater mercenary company played a key role in setting up a domestic spying venture against critics of Donald Trump.

"During the summer of 2018, as Richard Seddon, a former British spy, was trying to launch a new venture to use undercover agents to infiltrate progressive groups, Democratic campaigns and other opponents of President Donald J. Trump, he turned for help to a longtime friend and former colleague: Erik Prince, the private military contractor," The New York Times reported Tuesday. "Mr. Prince took on the role of celebrity pitchman, according to interviews and documents, raising money for Mr. Seddon’s spying operation, which was aimed at gathering dirt that could discredit politicians and activists in several states. After Mr. Prince and Mr. Seddon met in August 2018 with Susan Gore, a Wyoming heiress to the Gore-Tex fortune, Ms. Gore became the project’s main benefactor."

Prince is the brother of Betsy DeVos, who served as Trump's education secretary.

"Mr. Prince’s role in the effort, which has not been previously disclosed, sheds further light on how a group of ultraconservative Republicans employed spycraft to try to manipulate the American political landscape," the newspaper reported. "His willingness to support Mr. Seddon’s operation is fresh evidence of his engagement in political espionage projects at home during a period when he was an informal adviser to Trump administration officials."

The report was based on "documents obtained by The Times and interviews with people familiar with [Seddon's] plans."

The effort may violate federal law.

"During the 2018 meeting with Ms. Gore, according to one person familiar with it, Mr. Prince and Mr. Seddon said the goal of the private spying operation was to gather dirt both on Democrats and 'RINOs' — slang in conservative circles for 'Republicans in name only.' The plan was to begin in Wyoming, they said, and expand operations from there," the newspaper reported. "Over two years, Mr. Seddon’s undercover operatives also developed networks in Colorado and Arizona, and made thousands of dollars in campaign donations posing as Democrats, both to the Democratic National Committee and individual campaigns. Funneling money surreptitiously to campaigns through other donors — known as straw man donations — would violate federal campaign finance laws. Mr. Prince is separately under investigation by the Justice Department on unrelated matters, according to people familiar with the case."

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