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« Reply #4696 on: February 20, 2022, 11:47:58 PM »
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4697 on: February 21, 2022, 12:04:17 PM »
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« Reply #4698 on: February 21, 2022, 01:11:41 PM »
Judge allows ‘one-of-a-kind’ lawsuit against Donald Trump over Jan. 6 riot to proceed

WASHINGTON — East Bay Rep. Eric Swalwell can pursue his lawsuit to hold former President Donald Trump accountable for the violent insurrection at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, a judge held in a scathing ruling delivered Friday.

The potentially landmark decision, which the Trump team will all but certainly attempt to appeal to higher courts, would pave the way for an unprecedented civil trial of a former president for actions he took while in office. That could mean court-ordered inspection of Trump’s communications and actions leading up to, during and after the riot, and potentially a deposition of Trump under oath.

While some of Swalwell’s claims were rejected and the judge released other individuals from the lawsuit, including Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr., and lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani, D.C. District Judge Amit Mehta issued a 112-page ruling declaring that Trump was not covered by presidential immunity or free speech protections enough to dismiss the lawsuit.

Swalwell said in a statement late Friday, “Judge Mehta’s ruling is a complete vindication of my claims against Donald Trump for inciting an attack against the Capitol. Trump led a conspiracy to violently interfere with the January 6 Joint Session of Congress. With this ruling, I will move forward to depose Donald Trump and seek all relevant evidence surrounding January 6.”

Mehta acknowledged the significance of his decision.

“To deny a President immunity from civil damages is no small step,” Mehta wrote. “The court well understands the gravity of its decision. But the alleged facts of this case are without precedent, and the court believes that its decision is consistent with the purposes behind such immunity.”

Calling it a “one-of-a-kind case,” Mehta dissected Trump’s speech on Jan. 6 and detailed how the president’s actions and words could be seen as inciting the crowd gathered near the Capitol to commit violence and as a conspiracy to disrupt lawmakers’ certification of the 2020 election results by force and intimidation.

“Only in the most extraordinary circumstances could a court not recognize that the First Amendment protects a President’s speech,” Mehta wrote. “But the court believes this is that case. Even Presidents cannot avoid liability for speech that falls outside the expansive reach of the First Amendment. The court finds that in this one-of-a-kind case the First Amendment does not shield the President from liability.”

“This is a big moment in the effort to hold former President Trump accountable for the events of Jan. 6,” said Jessica Levinson, a law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. “Even though we have robust protection for political speech in our country, and even though presidents have significant protection for what they say and do in office, here we have a judge concluding that Trump’s speech could be viewed as ‘incitement to imminent lawless action.’”

If upheld, the ruling means that Swalwell’s suit, along with similar cases brought by a group of other primarily Black Democratic lawmakers, including Oakland Rep. Barbara Lee, and by Capitol Police officers, can proceed into a phase that would open up new investigative powers and potentially culminate in a trial. The lawsuits against the right-wing groups the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys will also proceed.

Swalwell and Lee, both in Europe on a congressional trip, were not immediately available to comment.

The crux of the lawsuit is a relatively novel use of the 1871 Ku Klux Klan Act that bars political intimidation and has never been applied in such a way. Swalwell and the other lawsuits also cite some D.C. laws and common law on assault, and the judge allowed arguments based on a few of those to proceed, as well.

Mehta did throw out some of Swalwell’s specific arguments, including one alleging Trump inflicted extreme emotional distress upon him, but the bulk of the lawsuit remains viable.

Mehta also indicated he would release Rep. Mo Brooks from the lawsuit if the Alabama Republican filed a motion to dismiss. Brooks had put forward a different legal argument that he was acting within his official capacity, which the judge sidestepped. He said he would dismiss the case against Brooks for the same reason he did so with Giuliani and Trump Jr. — that Swalwell and the others failed to argue plausibly enough that the three of them engaged in incitement and/or a conspiracy with the crowd to violently storm the Capitol.

But regarding the former president, Mehta laid out in excruciating detail how Trump plausibly knew he could invite violence with his words, and how his actions during and after the riot, including his tweets that day, seemed to ratify and endorse what was happening. He dismissed Trump’s arguments that he was merely making political statements.

“For months, the President led his supporters to believe the election was stolen,” Mehta wrote. “When some of his supporters threatened state election officials, he refused to condemn them. Rallies in Washington, D.C., in November and December 2020 had turned violent, yet he invited his supporters to Washington, D.C., on the day of the Certification. They came by the thousands. And, following a 75-minute speech in which he blamed corrupt and weak politicians for the election loss, he called on them to march on the very place where Certification was taking place.”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Judge-allows-one-of-a-kind-lawsuit-against-16930732.php

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4699 on: February 21, 2022, 01:52:45 PM »
Trump's Mazars accountant holds the key to his being indicted for federal racketeering: biographer



In a column for the New York Daily News, Donald Trump biographer David Cay Johnston predicted the former president, his three oldest children, and the Trump Organization's Allen Weisselberg will likely face federal racketeering charges now that the accountant who oversaw their financials at the Mazars accounting firm has taken an immunity deal.

According to the investigative journalist, Trump's legal travails, which grew exponentially worse last week, may force him into bankruptcy and the loss of all his assets leaving him almost penniless.

But the greatest danger Trump faces, Johnston explained, may lie in what Mazars accountant Donald Bender tells investigators.

Writing "the walls are closing in" on Trump, he explained, "Then there’s the danger to Trump from Donald Bender, the Mazars accountant who prepared Trump’s tax returns. Bender has turned state’s evidence. He testified before the grand jury in the Manhattan district attorney’s criminal inquiry, which under state law gave Bender immunity from criminal charges."

"The Manhattan grand jury working with District Attorney Alvin Bragg. Investigators are digging through five million pages of documents that Trump tried to withhold, going all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court twice, only to be firmly slapped down both times," he continued before adding, "I anticipate Trump, the Trump Organization, his three oldest children, Trump’s chief finance man, Allen Weisselberg and perhaps others will be charged with running a racketeering enterprise."

"A tax charge or charges will almost certainly be embedded in any state racketeering charge, but tax won’t be a stand-alone criminal charge," he continued before suggesting, "The reason is that while Trump claims to be the greatest tax expert of all time, his lawyers would dismiss that as Trump just puffing up his reputation. Lawyers could say he just did what his advisers told him was right. Expect Bender and witnesses from Mazars to say Trump ordered them to do this and that against their advice."

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https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-donalds-time-in-the-dock-20220220-hqxeugkie5fidgzuxx2zagxbqy-story.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4700 on: February 21, 2022, 03:20:37 PM »
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Only in a Stasi-like totalitarian state is someone deemed guilty until proven innocent.  Unreal.  What a world that you live in where those that have contrary political opinions are all fascists who must be locked up.  Including members of the clergy in Canada. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4701 on: February 21, 2022, 11:06:57 PM »
Donnie is such an idiot  :D :D :D

Trump's attacks on NY AG Letitia James in court blew up in his face: former prosecutor



In a column for Politico, former prosecutor Renato Mariotti suggested that a decision by Donald Trump to have his attorney attempt to smear New York Attorney General Letitia James in a New York courtroom was a fatal mistake that likely placed him in even greater legal peril.

According to Mariotti, Trump tried to bring politics into the courtroom which, in turn, opened the door for the sitting judge to rule against the former president, as well as Ivanka Trump and Don Trump Jr., on the matter of being questioned that could lead to a devastating criminal indictment.

"Maybe it was Trump’s ego or his insistence that his lawyers make the question of the deposition a political battle rather than a legal one. But while Trump’s attorneys argued that James was using the civil investigation to develop evidence that could be used against Trump in a criminal case, they downplayed his potential criminal liability," he wrote adding that, "Alina Habba, an attorney for Trump, spent much of her time arguing that James was pursuing a “vendetta against Donald Trump and his family to take him down” for her own political gain."

That, he explained, might work on Fox News but not in a courtroom and now Trump faces the possibility that his answers -- or refusal to answer -- will be used against him in both civil and criminal investigations.

"It’s not surprising that this approach did not persuade a judge who undoubtedly has come across parallel criminal and civil investigations throughout his career. Trump’s lawyers might argue that James was doing something outside the box by moving forward with a civil investigation of potential fraud while a criminal probe was underway. But as long as there is a proper basis for the civil investigation, the judge’s role is to weigh the potential of impairing the defendant’s Fifth Amendment right against the harm caused by pausing the civil investigation, " he wrote.

"So now Trump is between a rock and a hard place. If he sits for this deposition and answers questions under oath, his words can and will be used against him by the Manhattan DA and potentially other criminal prosecutors. But if he takes the Fifth, that can be used against him in the civil case because the judge can instruct the jury to draw an 'adverse inference' against him," the attorney elaborated.

Pointing out that there is no indication that Trump will appeal the judge’s ruling, without completely overhauling his legal strategy, Mariotti said it looks like indictments could be right around the corner after the Trumps testify.

"All signs suggest that the Trump (and his son and daughter) will take the Fifth and blame James for having to do so. That might save face for them for now. But in the long run, it will hurt their position if her investigation results in a civil case against them," he wrote before adding, "Right now, it looks like that is a very distinct possibility."

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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/21/how-donald-trump-played-himself-00010409

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4702 on: February 21, 2022, 11:44:34 PM »
JUDGE MEHTA’S RULING THAT DONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE AIDED AND ABETTED ASSAULTS ON COPS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIS CONSPIRACY DECISION

As I laid out here, Judge Amit Mehta rejected Trump’s motion to dismiss three lawsuits against him last week. Click through for my explanation of why it matters that Judge Mehta — among the most respected of DC judges — issued this decision.

But there’s another reason why it matters that Mehta issued this ruling.

I was, frankly, unsurprised that Mehta ruled for plaintiffs on their claims that Trump entered into a conspiracy with two militias to attempt to prevent the vote certification. I’ve been laying out all the evidence Trump could be included in a conspiracy with the militias to obstruct the vote count for some time. And on a motion to dismiss, the judge must  assume all the alleged facts were true and only tests those claims for plausibility. Mehta didn’t rule that Trump did so; he ruled that plaintiffs will have a chance to make that case.

I was far more surprised that Judge Mehta also ruled it plausible that Trump aided and abetted the actual and threatened physical assaults committed by the rioters. Here’s how Eric Swalwell’s suit argued that Trump abetted the threatened attacks on Members of Congress, including Speaker Pelosi:

240. Many individuals in the mob either carried weapons or used objects such as poles and fire extinguishers as weapons before and after entering the building. Some individuals in the mob also carried restraints such as plastic handcuffs and rope.

241. The mob also unlawfully and intentionally entered non-public areas of the Capitol building, including the members’ private offices. Members of the mob damaged and vandalized personal and public property and stole documents, electronics, and other items from some members’ offices.

242. As the mob made its way through the Capitol looking for Members, participants threatened to kill numerous individuals, including, but not limited to, Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. The mob terrorized and injured scores of people inside and outside of the Capitol, including the Plaintiff.

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248. Before directing the mob to the Capitol, the Defendants instructed them to “fight like hell,” “start taking down names and kicking ass,” and that it was time for “trial by combat.”

249. The Defendants intended these words to be taken literally.

250. For several hours after the mob had stormed the Capitol, the Defendants refused to communicate anything to the mob that might discourage continued unlawful action.

251. The Defendants knowingly and substantially assisted in the assault that was perpetrated upon the Plaintiff. The Defendants riled up the crowd and directed and encouraged the mob to attack the Capitol and seek out members of Congress and assault them.


Here’s how Capitol Police officer Sidney Hemby, described being assaulted while trying to protect the East doors of the Capitol in his lawsuit with James Blassingame.

63. Officer Hemby ran to the East Front stairs to try to stop the crowd, but it was too late, and the crowd was too large and aggressive.

64. The crowd chased him and his fellow officers to the top of the stairs and forced them against the doors.

65. At 1:49 p.m. 1 , after Trump had returned to the White House, and was reportedly watching on TV as events were unfolding at the Capitol, he tweeted out the entirety of his speech.

66. At 1:59 p.m., insurrectionists pushed Capitol Police to the top of the east Capitol steps, and by 2:10 p.m., insurrectionists began attempting to break into the building through windows on the west side.

67. Officer Hemby was crushed against the doors on the east side trying to hold the insurrectionists back. Over and over, he tried to tell the insurrectionists that the doors opened outward and that pressing him into the door would do no good.

68. But the insurrectionists continued to scream, “Fight for Trump,” “Stop the Steal,” and various other slogans, as they struck him with their fists and whatever they had in their hands. Things were being thrown at him, and he was sprayed with chemicals that irritated his eyes, skin, and throat.


Judge Mehta rejected Trump’s bid to dismiss those arguments.

Next, the court takes up Plaintiffs’ common law assault claims based on an aiding-andabetting theory of liability. Swalwell Compl. ¶¶ 237–252; Blassingame Compl. ¶¶ 163–168. President Trump’s motion in Swalwell does not separately address the aiding-and-abetting-assault claim, but he extensively addresses it in his Blassingame motion. See generally Swalwell Trump Mot.; Blassingame Trump Mot. at 33–40. The court will exercise its discretion and consider those arguments in both cases.39

Halberstam v. Welch remains the high-water mark of the D.C. Circuit’s explanation of aiding-and-abetting liability. The court there articulated two particular principles pertinent to this case. It observed that “the fact of encouragement was enough to create joint liability” under an aiding-and-abetting theory, but “mere presence . . . would not be sufficient.” 705 F.2d at 481. It also said that “suggestive words may also be enough to create joint liability when they plant the seeds of action and are spoken by a person in an apparent position of authority.” Id. at 481–82. A “position of authority” gives a “suggestion extra weight.” Id. at 482.

Applying those principles here, Plaintiffs have plausibly pleaded a common law claim of assault based on an aiding-and-abetting theory of liability. A focus just on the January 6 Rally Speech—without discounting Plaintiffs’ other allegations—gets Plaintiffs there at this stage. President Trump’s January 6 Speech is alleged to have included “suggestive words” that “plant[ed] the seeds of action” and were “spoken by a person in an apparent position of authority.” He was not “merely present.” Additionally, Plaintiffs have plausibly established that had the President not urged rally-goers to march to the Capitol, an assault on the Capitol building would not have occurred, at least not on the scale that it did. That is enough to make out a theory of aiding-and-abetting liability at the pleadings stage.

39 President Trump contends for the first time in his Swalwell reply brief that aiding and abetting a tort is not a recognized cause of action under District of Columbia law. Swalwell Trump Reply at 25–26. That argument comes too late, and the court declines to consider it.

Again, this is just the first step. It will be appealed. This is not a final ruling. But Mehta’s decision means that both sets of plaintiffs may get a chance to hold Trump accountable for the violence attempted or committed by people who responded to the President’s command to, “fight like hell.”

This part of Mehta’s ruling is far more important than the conspiracy side. To understand why, consider some of the cases over which Judge Mehta is presiding, which would be what he might have in mind when he thinks of what it means that Trump may have abetted assaults.

LANDON COPELAND

Landon Copeland is an Iraq War veteran with PTSD that has contributed to some epic meltdowns in court hearings. He traveled to DC on January 6 from the Four Corners region of Utah, taking a full week off work. He said he made the trip, he told the FBI, because President Trump ordered him to be there.

The defendant said that he traveled to the Capitol in part because former President Trump ordered him and others to be there.

Copeland went to Trump’s rally, then went with the crowd to the Capitol. He’s a really big guy and is accused of several assaults at the first barricades.

At the front of this crowd, the defendant shouted at the officers; he was visibly angry. Shortly thereafter, another rioter approached a police officer, began shouting at the officer, and put his hands on or around the officer’s neck. Copeland pushed that other rioter, from behind, into the officer, causing that officer to fall to the ground. After this, other officers stepped forward in an apparent attempt to protect the fallen officer. Copeland grappled with and pushed them, grabbing onto one officer’s riot shield, another officer’s jacket, and then pushing against the riot shields of two other officers.



THOMAS WEBSTER

Thomas Webster is a former Marine and retired NYPD cop who traveled to DC from New York with a revolver, a bullet-proof vest, and some MREs. While he claims he left the revolver in his hotel room, he wore his bullet proof vest to the rally at the Ellipse, then walked to the Capitol, carrying a Marine flag. After verbally attacking one of the cops at a barricade, he pushed over it, wrestled the cop to the ground, and grabbed his helmet, seemingly (though not in fact) gouging the cop’s eyes.



SHANE WOODS

Shane Woods drove to DC from Illinois on January 5. Like the others, Woods went to the Trump rally and then walked with the crowd to the Capitol.  In some of the early fighting at the west side of the Capitol he is accused of tripping a female cop.

Then, a few hours later, Woods was involved in a group attack on some media, allegedly tackling a cameraman in similar fashion to the attack on the cop.



PETER SCHWARTZ

Peter Schwartz is a violent felon who traveled to DC while out on release from prison because of COVID. Schwartz is accused (along with a woman I believe to be his partner) of involvement in a range of assaults on cops protecting the Lower West Terrace and the Tunnel on January 6, including stealing mace from and then using it on cops and throwing a chair.

On January 7 he described his actions as being part of “What happened yesterday was the opening of a war. I was there and whether people will acknowledge it or not we are now at war.”



THE OATH KEEPERS

As I’ve noted repeatedly, Mehta is also presiding over the Oath Keepers, who all entered the East door and therefore would be among those kitted out people who violently pushed past Sidney Hemby. A few of the Oath Keepers are individually accused of assault. For example, video shows veteran Joshua James fighting with a cop in the Rotunda, screaming, “Get out! … This is my f****ng Capitol!”



But members of the Stack who pushed past Hemby as he was protecting that door are suspected of far more serious plans for assault. As Mehta noted in ruling for the pre-trial detention of Stewart Rhodes on Friday — the same day he issued this ruling — once the Stack broke into the Capitol, they split up, with part of the group trying to make it to the Senate and the other part going to Nancy Pelosi’s office.

The latter is of particular concern because, on Election Day, Kelly Meggs told his wife and kid he was “gonna go on a killing spree … Pelosi first.”



Then after he had gone to her office, he told someone (probably his kid again), that “we looked for her.”



Judge Mehta has good reason to suspect (and likely knows far more about how serious this plot was) that the Oath Keepers, after busting into the Capitol past Hemby, took steps to hunt down Nancy Pelosi, and possibly someone in the Senate, like Pence.

When Judge Mehta says he thinks it is plausible that Donald Trump abetted assaults and threatened assaults at the Capitol, he’s not speaking abstractly. Judge Mehta has a very specific understanding of the kinds of assaults that happened that day. Those were  violent attacks on cops — several allegedly committed by military veterans and one by a retired NYPD cop. Those include a gratuitous attack on the media. It includes an attempt to hunt down the Speaker of the House.

With this ruling, Trump may be on the hook for such assaults civilly.

But given that the judge presiding over some spectacularly violent assaults that day has judged that Trump’s actions may rise to an aid and abet standard, it may make DOJ more seriously consider Trump’s exposure for such acts criminally.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/21/judge-mehtas-ruling-that-donald-trump-may-have-aided-and-abetted-assaults-on-cops-is-more-important-than-the-conspiracy-decision/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4703 on: February 22, 2022, 12:11:27 AM »
Right-wing Michigan 'convoy' fizzles as few show up to protest election results and COVID-19 mandates



A right-wing protest against COVID-19 mandates and supporting election fraud conspiracies at the Michigan Capitol building off the blockades at the border that shut down the Ambassador Bridge for a week has failed to gain traction for the last week.

Around 10 people showed up to the Capitol building Sunday afternoon for what was billed as the “Lansing Freedom Convoy.” The group has called on “all our good men” to park their cars in downtown Lansing and demand “honest elections,” “a voter-run audit and canvass” and for police to “arrest and charge all criminals in government, media and medicine.”

There currently are few COVID-19 protocols in Michigan, with no statewide mask mandates since June 2021 and every county lifting its requirement.

The group has also been hosting daily “slow rolls” around the Capitol building last week, but these daily events also only had a small number of participants.

Earlier this month, another right-wing rally questioning the results of the 2020 general election had a smaller than anticipated crowd. Organizers for that rally called on thousands of people to flood the building and demand a “forensic audit” of the election, which didn’t happen.

Despite the fact that President Joe Biden defeated former President Donald Trump by more than 154,000 votes in Michigan, many GOP activists and officials have been pushing election fraud conspiracies for over a year.

The “freedom convoy” in Lansing is allied with protesters who shut down the Ambassador Bridge and other border crossings earlier this month. That protest, which started with truckers blasting horns in Ottawa, opposed a Canadian vaccine mandate requiring drivers entering Canada to be fully vaccinated or they face a testing and quarantine requirement.

According to a report from the Anderson Economic Group, the protest at the Ambassador Bridge cost the auto industry about $300 million, including $145 million in lost direct wages and $155 million in losses to automakers, including General Motors, Ford, Chrysler, Honda and Toyota.

That protest was backed by 30 GOP state lawmakers and several Republican gubernatorial candidates, including former Detroit Police Chief James Craig and chiropractor Garrett Soldano.

Another convoy is being organized across the U.S. with the intention of disrupting Biden’s State of the Union address on March 1 in Washington, D.C.

https://michiganadvance.com/blog/few-show-up-to-protest-election-results-covid-protocols-with-lansing-convoy/

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