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Trump met Putin without staff or note takers present — again
Trump reportedly keeps finding a way to meet the Russian leader privately.

Jan 29, 2019

If you’re a US president, it’s probably not a great idea to meet with a foreign leader who meddled in your country’s elections without some way to record what’s being discussed.

But that’s just what President Donald Trump apparently did — again.

According to the Financial Times, Trump spoke to Russian President Vladimir Putin during last November’s G20 summit in Argentina without a US official present to take notes. First lady Melania Trump was by the president’s side during the chat, but no staff joined them.

The White House had previously acknowledged that both leaders met for an “informal” talk but didn’t disclose that Trump had no official member of his team present. Putin did have someone, though: his translator, although it’s unclear if that person wrote anything down.

This isn’t the first time Trump has done this. During the G20 meeting in Germany in July 2017, he got up from his seat during a dinner in order to sit next to Putin, who did have his translator to help. That meeting, which the White House didn’t initially reveal, came just hours after Trump bought Putin’s denial that Russia didn’t intervene in the 2016 presidential election.

Why having no note taker matters

There are two major problems with Trump’s continued and ill-advised conduct.

First, the optics. Trump continually finds ways to meet with Putin privately. That’s a really bad look when you consider the fact that US intelligence says the Russian directed a sophisticated campaign to help Trump win the White House, not to mention special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into possible Trump-Russia ties during the 2016 presidential campaign.

But second, and more importantly, we’ll never really know what happened during the Trump-Putin chat since only four people were there — Trump, Putin, the first lady, and the translator — and nothing was recorded (that we know of).

In addition to this, the administration apparently has no notes of any of the many Trump-Putin interactions over a two-year span. And at least on one occasion in 2017, Trump told his translator after an official meeting with Putin not to share details of the meeting with staff. Trump actually seized his notes.

This isn’t a minor clerical issue. It actively hinders some US officials from doing their job when they don’t receive a detailed briefing about what the president discussed with another head of state. Without knowing what they agr3eed to, fought about, or even laughed at, it’s nearly impossible for the administration to conduct policy accordingly.

And let’s not forget that we’re talking about Trump here: the guy who shared highly classified intelligence in a meeting with top Russian officials in the Oval Office back in May 2017 and who has surrounded himself with a high number of pro-Kremlin confidants.

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/29/18202515/trump-putin-russia-g20-ft-note

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4721 on: February 24, 2022, 02:28:39 PM »
Former right-wing insider explains some American conservatives' love affair with Putin



Fox News host Tucker Carlson and other prominent conservatives who support Russian President Vladimir Putin "hate America and want it to burn," according to former right-wing media creator Matthew Sheffield.

Sheffield, who helped create NewsBusters and served as a managing editor for the Washington Examiner, took to Twitter on Wednesday to explain why some conservatives' obsession with Putin shows how the American right has "devolved into personality-cult worship."

"(Fox News host) Tucker Carlson explaining why he supports Vladimir Putin is very instructive about what being on political right means today," Sheffield wrote, sharing a screen shot of Carlson's commentary from his show on Tuesday night. "The global right no longer operates as an ideologically coherent system. Instead, it's a series of identity factions built on negative partisanship. The point of being on the right now is about shared opposition to 'out' groups. It is not about a shared positive agenda. Mitch McConnell actively refuses to run on an agenda. Donald Trump in 2020 deliberately refused to create a GOP platform. Ditto for Putin, Gabbard, etc."

"The reactionary project has never been about creating coherent policy frameworks that are responsive to contemporary political issues," Sheffield added. "Instead, it offers identity and strong-man leadership as the solution to everything. Policies don't matter. Only the people in charge do."

Sheffield wrote that Putin's appeal to "religious authoritarians in the U.S. predates former President Donald Trump by many years." He shared a 2017 article from Right Wing Watch titled, "How the American Right Learned to Love Moscow in the Era of Trump," about how "Putin oligarchs have directly funded many Christian Right initiatives has never been more relevant."

He went on to say that the "authoritarian personality ... has has supplanted ideological conservatism and temperament in most global right-wing parties," pointing to Theodor Adorno's "Analysis of Trump’s Authoritarian Personality."

"With right-wing politics devolved into personality-cult worship, it must by necessity attack any other form of ethical system, such as traditional faith," Sheffield wrote. "It also must attack our imperfect Western republican system--not as in need of improvement, but as wholly illegitimate."

"These sweeping reactionary attacks against bourgeois liberalism have a deep resonance w/certain anarchistic leftists who hate 'the system' but who refuse to understand change," Sheffield added. "This explains why there are a fair number of people w/left-derived politics who praise fascists. It also explains why there are more than a few atheists who openly ally themselves with Christofascists. The one thing Tucker Carlson, Glenn Greenwald, and Ginni Thomas have in common is that they all hate America and want it to burn. But simple-minded centrism and deference to corrupt businesses and politicians who control the current order will not work to repeal the protean appeal of fascism. Acknowledging and working to solve the current system's problems is critical, more on which later."

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1/n: Tucker Carlson explaining why he supports Vladimir Putin is very instructive about what being on political right means today.

The global right no longer operates as an ideologically coherent system. Instead, it's a series of identity factions built on negative partisanship.




https://www.rawstory.com/tucker-carlson-2656779339/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4722 on: February 24, 2022, 10:25:27 PM »
The real reason why the GOP loves Putin

On the surface, it seems like Republicans can't decide how they feel about Russian President Vladimir Putin invading the sovereign country of Ukraine. On one hand, the more old guard GOP leadership is formally denouncing Putin and trying to score their political points against Joe Biden by claiming that this is evidence that the U.S. president is "weak." But both their de facto leader, Donald Trump, and their de facto party agenda-setter, Tucker Carlson, have been out there making their love and support of Putin known. As with every internal conflict in the GOP, the smart bet is the Trumpian wing will win over the traditional conservatives, even though it once again means that Republicans will be siding against America and democracy in favor of the forces of authoritarianism.

It's tempting to write this off, as so many in the mainstream media like to do, as evidence that the Republican party is "afraid" of Trump as if they were setting aside good intentions out of fear of crossing the orange mob boss who runs their party. The darker truth, however, is that this is part of a larger turn in the GOP towards anti-democratic, even fascist politics. As journalist Stephen Marche told Salon's Chauncey DeVega, "a huge number of Americans want such a dictatorship," and it's important to ask why, even though the answers don't "feel good."

One important document that points to the answer was released this week by Florida Republican Sen. Rick Scott, a pamphlet titled, "An 11 Point Plan To Rescue America." Needless to say, the title is misleading, as this pamphlet is very much about destroying America — by dismantling basic freedoms and democracy itself — under the guise of "saving" it.

Despite the heavy declarations of patriotism, the document presents a depressing and dystopian vision of America that is at total odds with the values of freedom, equality, and democracy that are supposed to define this country. Through rhetoric heavy on euphemism and doublespeak, Scott's plans are not hard to suss out: Replacing fact-based education with nationalistic propaganda, destroying voting rights, ending all efforts to ameliorate racial inequalities, and forcing rigid and sexist gender roles on all Americans. Scott justifies the latter by declaring it's "God's design for humanity," which of course, violates the very first amendment to the constitution that protects freedom of religion.

It's not just, as Paul Waldman of the Washington Post wrote this weekend, that Republicans want "a return to the 1950s, a dramatic rollback of social progress to a supposedly simpler time, with traditional hierarchies restored." As Ed Kilgore wrote in New York, this document is "batspombleprofglidnoctobuns crazy," full of ideas like ending Medicare and Social Security, as well as dismantling federal agencies like the Department of Education and the IRS. As Aaron Rupar noted in his newsletter, "It's not that Republicans don't stand for anything. It's that they stand for things that are unpopular and divisive." For instance, Scott's plan to replace real education with book bannings and nationalistic propaganda? Polling shows a whopping 83% of Americans oppose the idea.

Scott ostensibly opposes Putin and his war on Ukraine. This document, however, shows why that stance is increasingly incoherent for Republicans — and therefore opposed by their true leaders, i.e. Fox News hosts and Trump. Like Putin, American Republicans support a far-right social agenda that simply cannot withstand democratic debate and fair election systems. That's why Republicans are rallying behind Trump and his Big Lie. Democracy itself is their enemy, and they are siding with a transnational anti-democratic movement against the U.S. and its values.

The Trumpian wing of the party often doesn't even really bother to hide their goals. On a recent episode of his popular podcast "War Room," former Trump advisor Steve Bannon, as his wont, got vivid and violent with his fantasies of imposing one-party rule on the U.S.

Steve Bannon today: "We have a chance, once in our lifetime, to destroy the Democratic Party as an institution. We cannot let this slip from our grasp .. That is everyone's maniacal focus. We're in a war." pic.twitter.com/0A2vmrew5V
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) February 23, 2022


This kind of rhetoric has become so normal on the right that it's easy to get inured to it, but it's important to remember what exactly Bannon is saying here. The Democratic Party represents a strong majority of Americans, a fact which is already disturbingly hidden by election systems that favor right-wing minorities. Since 1992, the Democrat won the popular vote in every presidential election but one. Bannon's "war" is very plainly about destroying the ability of the majority of voters to express their preferences in elections.

This kind of rhetoric has become so normal on the right that it's easy to get inured to it, but it's important to remember what exactly Bannon is saying here. The Democratic Party represents a strong majority of Americans, a fact which is already disturbingly hidden by election systems that favor right-wing minorities. Since 1992, the Democrat won the popular vote in every presidential election but one. Bannon's "war" is very plainly about destroying the ability of the majority of voters to express their preferences in elections.

A slightly slicker but similarly disturbing message is evident in a recent campaign ad by Peter Thiel-backed GOP candidate for Arizona's Senate seat, Blake Masters.

America isn't just an idea. We're a country. We're a people, with a history, and a culture. pic.twitter.com/5HD077MMf4
— Blake Masters (@bgmasters) February 22, 2022


Don't be fooled by the faux-innocuous assertions of cultural history or the glib tokenism of mentioning Chuck Berry. By declaring that America is a "people" and not an "idea," Masters gestures towards this white nationalistic, anti-democratic argument. This is a strike against the very foundational premise of the country, which is that this a constitutional democracy defined by its laws and ideals, one that is flexible and can evolve alongside its population. Instead, he clearly wishes to replace that vision with a white nationalist one, where "America" is about "its people," a group that will inevitably be defined along exclusionary lines of race and ethnicity.

As Roy Edroso, a writer focused on chronicling the right, noted on Twitter Wednesday, a focal point for the softly pro-Putin voices in the GOP is that "Russia is right because it persecutes gay and trans people, and America wrong because it doesn't."

It is a particularly salient example of why Republicans are growing increasingly anti-democratic, because their vicious bigotries on this front simply cannot withstand the rigors of the ballot box. We see this in Texas, where Republican Gov. Greg Abbott issued a vile executive order instructing CPS to strip parental rights off anyone who supports their trans child's gender identity. The bill was proposed in the Texas legislature, but it's so gruesome that it couldn't pass, despite firm Republican control of the state. So Abbott is simply going around the democratic system in a bid to destroy families in the name of his rigid gender ideology.

Like Putin, Republicans know that their views cannot win in a free, fair democratic debate. The tension between claiming to be for democracy in Ukraine while opposing democracy in the U.S. is causing way too much cognitive dissonance on the right. It's why Trump is going with a simpler message of blatantly rooting for Putin. Trumpism has always been part of this transnational war on democracy. Bannon in particular loves to trumpet this fact. With this invasion of Ukraine, this alliance between Trumpists at home and authoritarians worldwide is only going to strengthen — and strengthen Trump's hold on the Republican Party.

https://www.rawstory.com/the-real-reason-why-the-gop-loves-putin/

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« Reply #4724 on: February 25, 2022, 12:02:26 AM »
President Biden just said that every Russian asset in America will be frozen. Does that include Russian asset Donald Trump?

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« Reply #4725 on: February 25, 2022, 12:14:41 PM »
John Kelly: I feel 'disbelief' at Trump's praise of Putin as a 'genius'



On CNN Thursday, John Kelly, the retired Marine General who served as former President Donald Trump's Secretary of Homeland Security and White House chief of staff, reacted with shock to his former boss' lavish praise for Vladimir Putin for his violent invasion of Ukraine.

"We've heard a lot of prominent Republicans, both in politics and in conservative media, praising Vladimir Putin, even calling him a 'genius,'" said anchor Jake Tapper. "What's your response when you hear that?"

"Disbelief," said Kelly. "He's a tyrant. He's a murderer. He has attacked an innocent country whose only crime is that they want to be free and democratic and they're working in that direction and have been working in that direction. They have been a cooperative country. They gave up, on our word, the nuclear weapons that the old Soviet Union left behind. They participated with other U.S./NATO allies. They participated in operations — peacekeeping operations in Africa and Afghanistan, places like that. They were part of the partnership for peace, although not members of NATO, they worked alongside NATO in these various good operations.

"You know, is Putin smart?" he added. "Yes. Tyrants are smart. They know what they're doing. But that's — I can't imagine why someone would look at what's happening there and see it anything other than a criminal act. I don't get it, Jake."

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« Reply #4726 on: February 25, 2022, 12:24:45 PM »
The Republican Cult are anti American traitors who love Putin.

Trump is Putin's 'most valuable useful idiot' — and the GOP will soon 'fall into line'



Former president Donald Trump is Russian President Vladimir Putin's "most valuable useful idiot," according to MSNBC analyst Charlie Sykes.

During a discussion on Thursday night about American conservatives who've praised Putin recently, host Joy Reid played a clip from one of Fox News host Tucker Carlson's rants.

"I don't think Russia is inducing them to do it," Sykes said. "I think they are talking themselves into being useful idiots for the Russians. And that's what Tucker Carlson is. He used to be described as a useful idiot. The most valuable useful idiot, of course, is Donald Trump."

Sykes added that while some Republicans have spoken out against Putin's invasion of Ukraine, the "id" of the GOP is represented by Carlson.

"The entertainment wing of the Republican Party is going in a very different direction than the elected officials in the Republican Party, and again, what the important point is, is that the entertainment wing of the Republic Party is dominant, and they have sided with Donald Trump," Sykes said. "So I think this is actually worth watching. I don't think people should be under any illusions that somehow there's going to be a break in the Republican Party, that there's going to be a moment of sanity. Look, if Jan. 6 did not break Donald Trump's hold on the Republican Party, then his fawning, slavish praise of Vladimir Putin while he is raping Ukraine is certainly not going to do it."

Sykes noted that the clip of Carlson was played on Russian state TV — saying the Fox News host has become "a propaganda mouthpiece of the Kremlin."

"This is an extraordinary moment to watch this, but also to understand how deep this is," Sykes said. "In part this fascination is, they like the strong men, they like the authoritarian. It goes deep, Donald Trump's long history with Vladimir Putin, so this is not a one-off, and my guess is the Republican Party will fall into line behind the entertainment wing of the party sooner or later."

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