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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6216 on: June 08, 2023, 10:15:01 AM »
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Yes, Criminal Donald is about to be indicted again, and this time for espionage.

Conway: Trump reportedly receiving target letter suggests ‘imminent’ indictment
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Multiple witnesses subpoenaed in Florida in Trump Mar-a-Lago case

Involvement of top prosecutor Jay Bratt in the Florida grand jury could suggest questions about Espionage Act violations



Federal prosecutors have subpoenaed multiple witnesses to testify before a previously unknown grand jury in Florida in the criminal investigation into Donald Trump’s handling of national security materials and obstruction of justice, according to people familiar with the matter.

The new grand jury activity at the US district court in Miami marks the latest twist in the investigation that for months has involved a grand jury that had been taking evidence in the case in Washington but has been silent since the start of last month.

Trump aide Taylor Budowich testified before the Florida grand jury on Wednesday, one of the people said. Questioning was expected to be led by Jay Bratt, the justice department’s counterintelligence chief detailed to the special counsel Jack Smith, who is leading the investigation.

The previously unreported involvement of Bratt could suggest the questioning may focus on potential Espionage Act violations, particularly whether Trump showed off national security documents to people at his Mar-a-Lago resort – a recent focus of the investigation.

Bratt, who was seen arriving in Miami on Tuesday by the Guardian, has previously appeared for grand jury proceedings in the espionage side of the investigation, as opposed to the obstruction side, which has typically been led by Smith’s other prosecutors or national security trial attorneys.

A justice department spokesperson declined to comment.

But the underlying reasons as to why prosecutors in the special counsel’s office impaneled the new grand jury in Florida, and whether it is now the only grand jury active in the case after the Washington grand jury has sat dormant for weeks, remains an open question.

Prosecutors would most probably prefer to bring charges in Washington, where the judges at the US district court are more familiar with handling national security cases – though Florida also has a robust national security section – and the jury pool skews more Democratic.

The impaneling of grand juries has to do with where prosecutors believe a crime was committed. And the most straightforward reason for the Florida grand jury is that prosecutors have developed evidence of criminal activity at Mar-a-Lago, which is in the southern district of Florida.

In this investigation, prosecutors considering charges against Trump for retaining national security material may have concluded from the evidence that he was still president when classified documents were moved to Mar-a-Lago, meaning his “unlawful possession” only started in Florida.

Similarly, if prosecutors have also developed evidence that Trump knew he had retained national security documents after he left office at Mar-a-Lago, for instance by waving them around or showing people, that could present hurdles to charging Espionage Act violations in Washington.

The venue for an obstruction of justice charge is more difficult to deduce, meanwhile, because the courts have provided little guidance about how it should be applied under section 1519 of the US criminal code, which prosecutors listed on the affidavit for Mar-a-Lago search warrant.

Generally, other obstruction statutes hold that the venue depends on where the impeded proceeding was taking place. In the Trump documents investigation, the subpoena last year demanding the return of classified documents was issued in Washington.

The US court of appeals for the DC circuit, however, has ruled in previous cases that the correct venue is where acts of obstruction took place. If prosecutors are considering obstruction charges for Trump’s steps to conceal classified documents after the subpoena, Florida could be the venue.

Separate to the question of why prosecutors impaneled a new grand jury in Florida is what it indicates in terms of the status of the criminal investigation.

If both the Florida grand jury and the Washington grand jury are active, that could indicate prosecutors are considering charges in both places and against the same targets. But if the Florida grand jury is the only grand jury in operation, that could suggest several things.

It could be that the investigation in Washington is largely finished, and prosecutors have finalized whether to charge Trump and others there, but are still weighing separate charges in Florida.

Or prosecutors might have concluded charges in Washington and are at risk of dismissal over improper venue because the crimes occurred at Mar-a-Lago, and are moving the entire case to Florida.

Moving the entire case to Florida would not necessarily be that burdensome for the special counsel, legal experts said, and would just involve prosecutors reading out transcripts of testimony previously delivered to the Washington grand jury, in addition to questioning new witnesses.

For months, prosecutors have examined whether the failure by Trump to fully comply with a subpoena demanding the return of any classified documents was a deliberate act of obstruction, according to multiple people with knowledge of the case.

Last June, the since-recused Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran found 38 classified documents in the storage room at Mar-a-Lago and told the justice department that no further materials remained there – which came into question when the FBI seized 101 additional classified documents months later.

Corcoran later told associates he felt misled because he had asked whether he should search elsewhere at Mar-a-Lago, like Trump’s office, but was waved off, the Guardian first reported. Corcoran’s notes also showed he told Trump he had to return all classified documents in his possession.

The investigation has also been focused on whether Trump showed off national security materials at his other properties like the Trump Bedminster golf club in New Jersey, including a document concerning military action against Iran, people close to the case said.

Prosecutors have seemingly been trying to identify whether that Iran document was the same document Trump referenced on an audio recording in which he said he could not discuss it because he did not declassify it while in office – though he should have, the Guardian previously reported.

To that end, prosecutors have showed an Iran document to some witnesses who appeared before the Washington grand jury and asked whether they had ever seen the material by Trump or anyone else. It was not clear whether any witness confirmed seeing the document, one of the people said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/07/trump-documents-grand-jury-florida-espionage-act



Ex-Nixon White House counsel says ‘all signs’ point to Trump indictment

Mark Meadows, Donald Trump’s former chief of staff, has testified to a federal grand jury as part of special counsel Jack Smith’s ongoing investigation into the former president, according to one source familiar with the matter. CNN's Anderson Cooper is joined by Chief Correspondent Kaitlan Collins, Former Assistant US Attorney Elie Honig, Former Nixon White House Counsel John Dean, CNN Senior Political Commentator Adam Kinzinger. #CNN

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6217 on: June 08, 2023, 10:15:57 PM »
Exclusive: Mark Meadows removed classified documents from the White House the last night of Donald Trump's presidency

Cassidy Hutchinson testified that she witnessed Meadows removing the papers

https://murraywaas.substack.com/p/exclusive-mark-meadows-removed-classified

This week we got the pivotal, yet not surprising, news that Mark Meadows has already testified against Donald Trump to the DOJ grand jury. One news outlet has gone further, reporting that Meadows cut the kind of immunity deal that allowed him to give broader testimony against Trump. Meadows’ attorney is claiming no deal happened. But it is clear that Meadows did testify against Trump.

That’s what makes today’s latest revelation so remarkable. Investigative reporter Murray Waas, who has broken a number of stories over the years, is now reporting that Donald Trump had Mark Meadows pack up boxes of classified documents on their way out of the White House at the end of Trump’s term. This obviously puts Meadows at the dead center of the DOJ’s classified documents case, and makes it an even bigger deal that he’s testified to the grand jury.

In addition, if Trump ordered Meadows to pack up the classified documents as they were leaving office, it’ll prove that Trump didn’t merely take documents by accident and then stubbornly refuse to return them. It’ll mean he specifically instructed his right hand man to help him steal them. This would make Trump and Meadows both guilty of espionage, which would explain why Meadows has reportedly cut a limited immunity deal.

The truth about all this stuff will come out in the indictment text, so at this point we’re just waiting for the hammer to fall. It would still theoretically be today. It could be tomorrow. And as we’ve seen from other grand juries that were on the verge of indicting, it could end up not happening until next week. The waiting game is what it is. In the meantime, the news just keeps getting even uglier for Trump. Might as well enjoy it while waiting.


Live updates: Florida grand jury investigates Trump's handling of classified documents

Special counsel Jack Smith has presented evidence in Florida and Washington, D.C., about the former president's handling of documents after he left office.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/live-updates-trump-classified-documents-florida-grand-jury-rcna88233

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6218 on: June 09, 2023, 12:45:57 AM »
Donald Trump wrote on his failed social media site that he has been indicted by the DOJ. News reports are surfacing it is a 7 count indictment! 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/live-updates-trump-classified-documents-florida-grand-jury-rcna88233#rcrd13829

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Re: Donald Trump Indicted!
« Reply #6219 on: June 09, 2023, 12:48:19 AM »
Criminal Donald has been indicted AGAIN!

Trump says on Truth Social he's been indicted in classified docs probe
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-truth-social-indicted-classified-docs-probe-rcna79343

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6220 on: June 09, 2023, 12:53:32 AM »
Donald Trump indicted for second time, in classified documents investigation: Sources
https://abcnews.go.com/US/donald-trump-indicted-time-sources/story?id=99408228

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6221 on: June 09, 2023, 01:11:47 AM »
Donald Trump had a berserk meltdown on his social media site as he was informed that he's been indicted by the DOJ and has been ordered to surrender.

Donald Trump has been criminally indicted by the DOJ, and has been ordered to surrender himself early next week. This news was broken, oddly enough, by Donald Trump himself on a social media post. Now multiple major news outlets are confirming that Trump has indeed been indicted. Trump isn’t taking the news well.

Trump is throwing a fit on social media, declaring that “I have been summoned to appear at the Federal Courthouse in Miami on Tuesday, at 3 PM” and whining that “I never thought it possible that such a thing could happen.” Yeah whatever. Blah blah blah.

So what are the charges? The New York Times says there are seven felony counts, but doesn’t know what they are yet. Trump was previously hit with thirty-four felony counts in Manhattan. In this DOJ case, there is every reason to expect that at least one of them will be espionage, one of the most serious criminal charges on the books. Donald Trump insisting that “I AM AN INNOCENT MAN!” Yeah, well, tell it to the judge and jury Donnie. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6223 on: June 09, 2023, 04:05:45 AM »
The DOJ’s seven criminal charges against Donald Trump have been revealed, and let’s just say that they’re as ugly as we were expecting. There’s the “willful retention of documents” under the Espionage Act, as expected. There’s also making “false statements” to investigators, which is a great tack-on charge with very high odds of conviction, in case the main charge falls through. Then there’s this charge: “conspiracy to obstruct.”

By legal definition, a conspiracy involves two or more people. For Trump to be indicted for “conspiracy to obstruct,” it means that he and others are accused of participating in this criminal conspiracy. In other words, there’s another shoe dropping here. This could mean that Trump’s underlings are also being indicted for “conspiracy to obstruct.” Or it could mean that those who have cut cooperation deals or immunity deals are the co-conspirators. But there’s clearly more coming here.

In any case, remember that today’s charges are just in the DOJ classified documents case. We’re still waiting to see what charges the DOJ brings against Donald Trump in Jack Smith’s separate January 6th probe, wire fraud, and so on. This is just the beginning.

What’s important is that today’s charges start the clock for Donald Trump’s federal criminal trial (or his first federal criminal trial, if it doesn’t all get folded into one trial). Jack Smith and the DOJ no doubt chose this timing on purpose, to make sure they had plenty of time to get the trial, conviction, and sentencing out of the way, well before the 2024 election. But let’s remember that more DOJ charges against Trump are almost surely coming down the road.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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