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Re: Donald Trump Indicted!
« Reply #6224 on: June 09, 2023, 04:23:25 AM »
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When it was reported that the DOJ criminally indicted Donald Trump on “at least” seven felony charges including the Espionage Act and obstruction, the question was whether the rabbit hole went any deeper. Now it turns out the DOJ may have also indicted Trump for witness tampering.

Donald Trump’s attorney Jim Trusty appeared on CNN and revealed that Trump has also been charged under 18 USC 1512 which is the criminal code for witness tampering. He went on to hypothesize that one of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago aides may have flipped.

Of course we’ll have to wait until Trump’s arraignment on Tuesday to know the full charges, unless the DOJ unseals it first. But this just keeps getting worse for Trump by the hour.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6225 on: June 09, 2023, 06:30:25 AM »
BREAKING: Trump indicted in classified documents probe

Donald Trump has been indicted in the classified documents probe by a federal grand jury connected with his mishandling of over 100 classified documents that were found last year at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida. This makes the twice-impeached former president the first former president to face federal criminal charges. Rachel Maddow, Nicolle Wallace and more join Joy Reid on this historic breaking news.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6226 on: June 09, 2023, 08:38:26 AM »
Donald Trump indicted on 7 counts in classified documents probe



Donald Trump has been indicted on seven charges relating to mishandling classified government documents and obstructing justice, according to CNN. Specific charges have not been revealed as of press time, although it has been confirmed that Trump will be traveling to Miami, Florida to respond to the charges, suggesting that will be the venue of the case.

It makes him the first sitting or former president ever to face a federal indictment.

The charges came after Trump's legal team met with Department of Justice officials on Monday, including Special Counsel Jack Smith who has been leading two separate investigations into Trump since November last year. They involve Trump's handling of classified documents and attempting to reverse the election result of 2020.

Monday's meeting had been considered by many insiders to be the last step before an indictment decision.

This is the first federal indictment for Trump, though he's facing charges in New York State involving hush money payments to Stormy Daniels, an adult star he's accused of having an extra-marital affair with.

The former president is also under investigation in Georgia over allegations he played a part in an attempt to overturn the 2020 result and that he tried to have the state's electoral college results awarded to him.

The documents investigation first came to public view when the FBI searched his Mar-a-Lago home in August last year. Reports since included that he'd obstructed justice by not returning them when asked.

Earlier this month, CNN reported that Smith had a recording of Trump talking about possessing one of the documents that involved plans to attack Iran. Other reports, again by CNN reported he'd had staff move documents before the FBI search, and that prosecutors were suspicious about a flood in a room that held servers for Mar-a-Lago's security system.

Read More Here: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/12/us/trump-espionage-act-laws-fbi.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6227 on: June 09, 2023, 08:55:39 AM »
'Lock him up': Legal analysts celebrate equal justice with Trump indictment



The former lead prosecutor for Robert Mueller, Andrew Weissmann, predicted that Donald Trump's indictment was coming "in days not weeks," and he was proved correct on Thursday.

His voice joined with many legal analysts who spoke out about the news. In one thread, Ryan Goodman quickly mentioned that a group of legal experts at JustSecurity outlined the specifics of the Espionage Act and how it would work with Trump.

One of the pieces of the story that Weissmann pointed out is that there are many lower-level, very young people who ultimately end up being prosecuted for mishandling classified information. It's for that reason that he felt Trump had to be indicted.

The Nation's legal analyst Elie Mystal agreed, responding to a rage tweet from Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) claiming people in power shouldn't be able to prosecute their opponents, even if they broke the law.

"Actually, as I pointed out, if people in power can avoid jail by returning to power, we don’t have a republic. That’s literally how the most famous one died," said Mystal.

Legal analyst Brad Moss also commented with faux mockery: "If DOJ can indict Trump for willful retention of NDI and obstruction, they can indict ANYONE for willful retention of NDI and obstruction. The horror!"

Michigan University Law School Professor Barb McQuade cited New York Times reporting saying that the "charges include conspiracy to obstruct justice. Federal conspiracy law requires two or more people to constitute conspiracy."

She wondered, "Who is/are the co-conspirator(s)?"

Moss speculated it might be "Walt Nauta and maybe Boris are my guesses." But that information has not currently been released.

Florida attorney and attorney general candidate Daniel Uhlfelder tweeted simply: "Lock him up."

In that same vein, "Someone let Trump know the following: You’re going to prison, traitor," civil rights lawyer Andrew C. Laufer tweeted.

One of the things that Alabama University Law School Professor Joyce White Vance mentioned is the importance of cameras in the courtroom for the Trump trial.

"Chief Justice Roberts should immediately amend the rules to permit cameras in federal courts. The American public is entitled to watch the proceedings against Trump in their entirety. Anything less would be an injustice," she tweeted Thursday evening.

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Trump charges help to 'preserve the rule of law in America': ex-DOJ official



Former acting solicitor general Neal Katyal took to social media on Thursday evening before speaking to MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell about the indictment of Donald Trump.

He confessed that it is a sad moment, not because it is tragic for Trump, but because "it underscores the extreme damage he has done to the institution of the presidency and country as a whole."

Katyal explained that an indictment was the only option that the Justice Department had.

"What kind of message would it send to the people who risk their lives gathering covert information if the government allows someone to behave so recklessly with our nation’s most important secrets?" Katyal asked. "These charges are not only an important step to protect our national security, but also to preserve the rule of law in America. This indictment makes it clear that no person – not even a former president – can brazenly disregard the law without consequence."

He went on to cite Donald Trump's comments on Truth Social in which he confessed he had been indicted, after saying for several days prior that he wasn't being indicted.

"Unfortunately, we can expect that he’ll spew a whole lot of lies about prosecutors and these charges in the days and weeks to come," he said. "Even though charges are an important step in the judicial process, it’s a very early one. There will be an extremely long and complex trial process ahead. Trump will cry foul and claim the courts and government are rigged against him. But make no mistake, he will be afforded the very same presumption of innocence as any other defendant in this country."

When speaking to MSNBC, Katyal went on to say that one of the most important pieces of this is to identify that "it underscores the extreme damage that Donald Trump did to the presidency and to this country as a whole."

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Re: Donald Trump Indicted!
« Reply #6228 on: June 09, 2023, 09:01:29 PM »
Here it is:

Read: Trump indictment related to mishandling of classified documents
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics/read-trump-indictment-document/index.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6229 on: June 09, 2023, 09:14:38 PM »
The Trump indictment has been unsealed:

- Trump stole classified nuclear secrets

- Trump shared classified military secrets with multiple people, including someone from his fundraising PAC

- Trump caught on tape admitting he hadn’t declassified it before leaving office.

Donald Trump stole classified documents both domestic & foreign, including National Security, Defense, Weapons, and Nuclear Intel secrets putting our national security and the lives of Americans at risk. 




Trump caught on tape admitting he hadn’t declassified it before leaving office.



The DOJ has also indicted Trump aide Walt Nauta. Hence the “conspiracy to obstruct justice” charge, conspiracy being an act that requires two or more people.

The unsealed indictment alleges that “a Trump family member” was texting with Walt Nauta about the boxes? This is bad:



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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6230 on: June 10, 2023, 06:40:37 AM »
TRUMP IS FACING 38 COUNTS ACROSS 8 FEDERAL STATUTES PER UNSEALED INDICTMENT, WITH 31 RELATING TO THE ESPIONAGE ACT.

Trump is facing 38 counts laid out in the DOJ’s indictment, including the unlawful retention of defense information

“This is the first time in American history that a former president has been criminally indicted by the Department of Justice,"
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Trump haphazardly stashed military secrets throughout his home, indictment says

The unsealed indictment charges Trump with 38 felony counts, including 31 counts under the Espionage Act of “willful retention” of classified records.



A federal indictment unsealed Friday charges former President Donald Trump with 37 felony counts stemming from an investigation into the presence of a trove of classified information at his Florida estate and other locations after he left office.

Prosecutors led by special counsel Jack Smith allege that Trump arranged to remove a massive collection of highly sensitive classified material — much of which consists of intelligence about the “defense and weapons capabilities” of the United States and foreign countries — to his private residence as he left the White House in January 2021.

He had aides stash those records in boxes that also included personal items and ordered them shipped to his estate in Mar-a-Lago at the end of his tenure, according to the indictment. The charging document also says that on at least two occasions, Trump showed classified records to visitors without security clearances at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey — including the map of a military operation to a representative of his political committee.

As the Justice Department began inquiring about the records stashed at Trump’s home, the indictment alleges, Trump ordered an aide — Walt Nauta — to begin moving boxes with classified records to obscure them from investigators. Trump did this without informing his attorney, who was preparing to search Trump’s property in compliance with court-authorized subpoenas to recover the records.

Trump is facing 31 counts of violating the Espionage Act through “willful retention” of classified records and six counts related to his alleged effort to obstruct the investigation. Nauta was also charged with five felonies, including obstruction of justice and making false statements to the FBI.

“We have one set of laws in this country,” said Smith, briefly addressing the media after the unsealing of the indictment. “They apply to everyone.”

The evidence arrayed by the Justice Department paints a devastating picture of an ex-president intent on squirreling away national military secrets at his homes, irrespective of potential consequences. Trump, who took office in 2017 after a campaign in which he lambasted Hillary Clinton for jeopardizing classified information on an unsecured email server, is portrayed as haphazardly stashing documents in different corners of his home — with open access to employees of his club.

At one point in December 2021, Nauta found several boxes toppled in Trump’s Mar-a-Lago storage room, with papers strewn about the floor, including some labeled as “Five Eyes” intelligence — a reference to the group of nations that are most closely allied with the United States and engage in a higher level of intelligence sharing. Nauta took two photos of the spill and shared them with another Trump employee.

If Trump is ultimately tried and convicted on the 37 counts, he faces a potentially lengthy prison term. Each count of willful retention of records carries a maximum 10-year sentence, while the six obstruction charges each carry a 20-year maximum sentence. False statements charges each carry a five-year maximum.

The indictment is Trump’s second in the past three months. He also faces a 34-count indictment in New York for allegedly falsifying business records in connection with hush money payments to a porn star to prevent her from alleging an affair in the final weeks of the 2016 election. And two more criminal probes could result in further charges: a second probe by Smith of Trump’s bid to subvert the 2020 election and an investigation by Atlanta-area district attorney Fani Willis, also about Trump’s election gambit.

The indictment lists 31 specific documents Trump is accused of intentionally withholding from federal officials after they requested the return of all national security records: 21 of the documents are described as Top Secret, nine as secret and one as lacking any classification marking but involving “military contingency planning of the United States.”

Throughout the indictment, prosecutors emphasize that Trump was aware of the significance of protecting classified information, highlighting statements he made throughout his presidency about the seriousness of upholding laws related to national security secrets. They also repeatedly showed him to be a hands-on manager of the records in question, personally directing the packing and movement of boxes.

And when DOJ came calling to recover them, the indictment notes that Trump — speaking to his attorney — made at least two references to Clinton and her lawyer’s claim that he had deleted her emails before responding to a Justice Department subpoena. Trump’s lawyer, per the indictment, memorialized those exchanges, as well as another in which the lawyer said Trump appeared to instruct him to remove any documents that might be particularly incriminating.

The indictment notes that in June 2022, after Trump orchestrated the last-minute removal of boxes from rooms that DOJ was likely to inquire about, he delayed his trip from Mar-a-Lago to Bedminster in order to greet investigators at his home and pledge to be an “open book.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/09/trump-indictment-read-00101292

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6231 on: June 10, 2023, 11:36:11 AM »
Morally bankrupt': Former Defense Secretary shreds Trump over national security failings



Former President Donald Trump's disrespect for the security of classified information really amounts to a disrespect for the men and women behind that classified information who put their lives on the line for the country, argued former Bill Clinton Secretary of Defense William Cohen on CNN Friday.

This came after the release of the 37-count indictment against the former president secured by special counsel Jack Smith.

"When you read the transcript of the former president saying to a room full of just people who were there to hear from him and suck up to him, none of whom had security clearances, saying, you know, this is highly confidential, it's secret. This is secret information. Look. Look at this, and showing them a document," said anchor Anderson Cooper. "I mean, did you ever imagine a president, or somebody who had been president, would do that?"

"Well, Anderson, I felt that he was unfit to be president, unfit to be commander in chief, from the very beginning," said Cohen. "I felt that initially and I didn't vote for him, and I spoke out against him because I saw his character shining through, how he criticized John McCain not being a hero, how he embarrassed a reporter who had a disability, how he actually criticized a Gold Star family during a convention."

Trump's behavior throughout the 2016 campaign, Cohen continued, "told me that the care he was lacking in character and was morally bankrupt."

"And as far as dealing with our men and women who serve us, he's in Arlington National Cemetery looking over the gravesites with John Kelly, General John Kelly, whose son is buried there and said, what was in it for all these people?" added Cohen. "What was in it was the fight for democracy, which is something he apparently doesn't really understand."

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Prosecutors getting Trump's lawyer notes says 'all you need to know' about the case: ex-DOJ official



The fact that the government was able to pierce the barrier of attorney-client privilege and obtain Donald Trump's lawyer's notes tells you "all you need to know" about the strength of the prosecution's case, a former DOJ official said Friday evening.

In a wide-ranging interview on MSNBC's The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell, former Acting Solicitor General of the United States Neal Katyal suggested that the prosecution's ability to work within the courts to get access to traditionally barred materials says a lot about how the trial will unfold.

Katyal echoed the sentiments of Andrew Weissman, a veteran federal prosecutor who worked on the special counsel investigation into Trump's ties to Russia, who said earlier on the same panel that the "gold" in the indictment "was revealed by having pierced the attorney-client privilege" and that it "relates to the obstruction charges."

"The basic rule is, attorney-client privilege is sacrosanct until and unless you as the client are trying to solicit a crime that your lawyer is participating in," Weissman said. "So that is not something that is privileged and you obviously need to go to a judge, and the judge has to agree that you established that."

Following Weissman's comments, Katyal elaborated even further, saying the key point was the overriding of attorney-client privilege.

"I think Andrew makes the very important point," Katyal said, adding that "what ultimately was litigated and brought to this very respected judge in Washington, D.C., and then ultimately to our nation's second highest court, the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia circuit, should attorney-client privilege in the current notes be given over to prosecutors?"

He further said the courts "took the radical step, really unique, of saying that this is so serious, this crime, and Trump was using his attorney to try to commit it," that it warranted the departure.

"They basically pierced attorney-client privilege," he added. "That to me, Lawrence, says that all you need to know about this case."

Katyal further noted that, because "this is such a serious matter, and Trump's actions were so lawless," that attorney-client privilege ultimately had to be pierced.

"We have to pierce attorney-client privilege, the most sacred privilege in Anglo Americana law going back centuries upon centuries. That to me is why I listened to Jack Smith's press conference today, and the most important words he said were to all Americans: read the indictment."

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'Bumbling mafia don': legal expert explains how Trump made the prosecution's case stronger



Donald Trump acted like "the most bumbling mafia don in the history of mafia dons" when he coordinated the obstruction alleged in the confidential documents case, national security attorney Brad Moss said Friday night.

Moss, who said on Thursday that Trump is facing the legal challenge of his life with a legal team that isn't up for the job, was part of a panel discussing the case on MSNBC's The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell. Moss accused Trump of "showing off documents" and being carless in other ways.

"He's talking about it to a staffer from the political action committee. He's talking about it to the ghost writers of Mark Meadows," Moss said. "He's getting these subpoenas and acting like the most mafia don in the history of mafia dons. He was joking and talking to his lawyer like, can we say that we don't have anything?"

No, Moss said, you either "comply with the subpoena or move to quash it."

"I don't see a lot of substantive defense that Donald Trump will make at trial," according to Moss.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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