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« Reply #6272 on: June 18, 2023, 09:11:10 PM »
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Bill Barr Ramps Up His Showdown With ‘Troubled Man’ Trump in Stunning CBS Interview: He’s Like ‘A Defiant 9-Year-Old’

Former Attorney General Bill Barr has been the talk of the political world for the past week — after his stunning proclamation that former President Donald Trump is “toast” if half of the 37-count indictment against him is true. Now, after a week of personal insults from the former president, Barr is fighting back with an utterly brutal assessment of his old boss.

In a stunning CBS interview on Sunday with Robert Costa, Barr doubled down on his opinion that Trump has only himself to blame for his current predicament.

“This is not a circumstance where he’s the victim or this is government overreach,” Barr said. “He provoked this whole problem himself. Yes, he’s been the victim of unfair witch hunts in the past. But that doesn’t obviate the fact that he’s also a fundamentally flawed person who engages in reckless conduct. And that leads to situations, calamitous situations like this, which are very destructive and hurt any political cause he’s associated with.”

The former attorney general did say that while Trump has “many good qualities” and “accomplished some good things,” his actions ultimately endanger the GOP cause.

“He is a consummate narcissist and he constantly engages in reckless conduct that that puts his political followers at risk and the conservative and Republican agenda at risk,” he said.

Asked if he believes Trump lied to the Justice Department, Barr said, “Yes, I do.”

He then added this jawdropping postscript:

“He will always put his own interests and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else, including the country’s interests. There’s no question about it. This is a perfect example of that. He’s like a 9-year-old — a defiant 9-year-old kid who’s always pushing the glass toward the edge of the table, defying his parents to stop him from doing it. It’s a means of self-assertion and exerting his dominance over other people. And he’s a very petty individual who will always put his interests ahead of the country’s, his personal gratification of his ego. But our country can’t be a therapy session for a troubled man like this.”

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« Reply #6273 on: June 18, 2023, 09:25:36 PM »
Former Trump official regrets 'unseemly' pardons of cocaine traffickers, Trump's family

Former White House official Marc Short said he regrets working in the Trump administration because the former president pardoned violent criminals and family members as he left office.

During Donald Trump's tenure, Short worked as the White House Director of Legislative Affairs and as the chief of staff to then-Vice President Mike Pence.

On Fox News Sunday, Short noted that Trump was not a lifelong Republican. He responded to Republican candidates who might consider pardoning Trump if they were to win the White House.

"And when it comes to pardons, you know, candidly, one of the most unseemly parts of the end of our administration was the pardons that Donald Trump gave to cocaine traffickers, to family members, to people guilty of violent crimes," Short lamented. "And so I think we have to have a real conversation. What would people actually do with the power of a pardon?"

"But I think if you look actually at even Donald Trump's record when it came to pardons, it was indefensible of people getting $750,000 to lobby us to try to gain a pardon," he added. "It's a meritorious question for all of us, how you'd handle a pardon and the power of it."

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National security lawyer thinks Trump is too scared to have cameras show his trial



National security lawyer Bradly Moss doesn't think that former President Donald Trump wants any of his federal trial to be public. Typically there are no cameras in federal courts, and to get them would take a willingness from both sides to petition the Supreme Court.

MSNBC host Yasmin Vossoughian said that there is a lot of distrust in the justice system. Already, Republicans are demanding the firing of FBI Director Christopher Wray, a Trump appointee, and Attorney General Merrick Garland. At the same time, the U.S. Supreme Court is at its lowest approval rating in history, in part, due to a lack of transparency. The Supreme Court has fought cameras in courts from the beginning.

Those on the left fear that a secret trial will give Republicans the opportunity to lie about what happens in court, but Moss thinks the right wants to keep everything quiet.

"I don't expect any excessive, and the extra transparency coming from Judge [Aileen] Cannon beyond what the standard rules in some, in southern Florida permit and require in that courthouse," Moss said. "The issue with the clearances isn't a necessary part of this. That was gonna be if they hadn't granted part of a pretrial discovery issue because of the classified information — they need to provide some measure of access. At least to the attorneys, if not Walt Nauta and Mr. Trump, as well as part of discovery, and procedures in place."

He said that cameras in the court, live tweeting, and other options don't sound like possibilities under Cannon.

The last time Cannon dealt with the case, she made rulings that were not only overturned, but her actions drew condemnation from the conservative Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. The Supreme Court then refused to step in, appearing to agree with the lower appeals court. MSNBC's "Morning Joe" panel predicted last week that if she persists in such rulings, she will again be humiliated by higher courts. Senior Robert Mueller prosecutor Andrew Weissmann said that he doesn't see any indication of Cannon recusing herself. However, if there is a single misstep, it might give special counsel Jack Smith the opportunity to request her recusal from the appeals court.

"I know there's a media push for [cameras]. It would make it interesting," said Moss. "But people are looking for the second coming of OJ's trial, I don't think you're gonna see that in this case.

Vossoughian said that Republicans and Democrats outside of the Miami courthouse wanted to know what was happening not for the entertainment value but because of the historic significance and the accountability.

"You would think that given those obvious public interest factors, there would be greater transparency. We haven't seen it yet. The magistrate's pushback on some of the efforts to do that in the arraignment. We'll see what Judge Cannon does when it comes before on a separate motion by various organizations. I believe NBC News is one of them trying to open this up. But ironically, the person that doesn't want this to be live-streamed, cameras, and everything is going to be the criminal defendants, Mr. Trump, and Mr. Nauta. They don't want the public to be able to watch all that."

He explained that photos and audio mean that he can't control the message and convince Americans of a grand conspiracy against him. Showing the truth would reveal Trump's guilt.

"In color, with the audio, and all that because it would put it in a much greater effect than what a piece of paper does, what people don't tend to read in detail. Seeing it, nothing can compare to what we saw with the OJ trial, decades ago. And what that brought into Americans' homes. Doing that in this case, would be very damaging for the criminal defendants. Even if they potentially work out a hung jury in the end. Which would be their best hope. I don't think they want that level of transparency."

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« Reply #6274 on: June 19, 2023, 10:26:57 AM »
'Insurmountable': Fox News guest says Trump can't win and 'that's the real problem Republicans have'



Princeton University political scientist Lauren Wright predicted Donald Trump would lose the 2024 presidential election because of his legal problems.

During an interview on Fox News, host Eric Shawn pointed out 73% of those polled recently said Trump did something illegal or unethical.

"So what happens if you think 75 percent of the people think you did something wrong? How do you win them back?" Shawn wondered. "Can you win the general with that type of action?"

"To me, it's insurmountable when you have the majority of people who think you did something wrong," Wright replied. "But a minority, a strong minority, a plurality of Republicans is enough to propel Trump through the primary."

"And that's the real problem Republicans have," she continued. "Are you going to vote for this person that is in a very, very weak position in a national election for all the reasons we just talked about?"

At the same time, Wright said other Republican candidates like Gov. Ron DeSantis were frustrated by Trump's popularity with the party.

"If I'm Ron DeSantis, frankly, I'm pretty annoyed right now because I'm not under indictment," she explained. "I haven't been accused of some of these things other candidates have. I bucked national trends with Covid, much to my success, and took on other governors and took on the Trump administration. And I had better results than a lot of my competitors, but I'm not getting the attention."

Shawn seemed entertained by the thought of DeSantis being under indictment.

"Annoyed that he's not under indictment," the host quipped. "That's probably the quote of the day."

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The GOP is 'enthralled to cult leader' Trump as part of 'authoritarian discipline': expert



Ayman Mohyeldin spoke to historian and fascism expert Ruth Ben-Ghiat and walked through the ways in which the Republican Party has submitted itself to an "authoritarian discipline" while being led by a cult leader like Donald Trump.

Speaking Sunday, she explained the "authoritarian bargain" adopted by other Republican leaders.

"What strikes me the most is that they are enthralled to this cult leader and that he has been able to subject the party to a kind of authoritarian discipline where it's all about loyalty," Ben-Ghiat explained. "And the other thing that strikes me is you, and I talk about Middle Eastern and other dictators. If you have any subordination in those contexts, you go to jail or killed. Here these people are willingly being complicit in the attempt to destroy our justice system and our democracy, and they are not going to be killed or jailed. They would maybe lose their political career like Jeff Sessions when he refused to perjure himself for Trump as attorney general. So, that's a very sad commentary on the level of cowardice and the level of opportunism among the GOP."

In her substack, Ben-Ghiat writes: "Trump is an expert manipulator of people, and the GOP lawmakers who engage in public displays of fealty know that opposing him could mean the end of their political careers."

Mohyeldin wondered what was compelling the Republicans to buy into that kind of ideology.

"Is it safe to say that a large swath of the GOP today puts power over country, and that's what's compelling them?" Mohyeldin asked. "They simply just don't want to lose power or the access to power that comes with the positions through Donald Trump?"

She explained it as a combination of power and fear.

It's "fear of howling having their secrets, whatever they are, revealed. Donald Trump is a decades-old blackmailer. An expert in what the Russians call kompromat. So, there's that kind of fear, as well as opportunism. And this idea that is very compelling that you could have as much power as possible, but then for the fanatics like Jim Jordan and Ron DeSantis, they do buy into this idea of an authoritarian vision of power which is limitless. It's a fantasy, but it's very compelling in those who have that temperament."

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'He didn't mean to': Trump supporters tie themselves in knots to explain he didn't break the law



Supporters that came out for Donald Trump as he was arraigned in Miami, Fla., on Tuesday were interviewed by the comedy group "The Good Liars." They had a lot of questions about the basic facts of the case that many MAGA loyalists didn't know.

One of the videos shows a Trump supporter claiming that the former president declassified everything. When told that Trump was on audio saying he didn't, the supporter refused to believe it.

A loyal Trump supporter told the "Good Liars" that he doesn't believe for a second Trump meant to steal the documents and that he probably didn't know the laws. He didn't explain why Trump refused to give the documents back.

Another video with Davram Stiefler showed a Trump supporter asking about the "lock her up" chants and a man said Hillary Clinton was never investigated. He was told that the FBI announced the investigation 11 days before the election, and they had no idea.

What became clear to Jason Selvig is that none of the people were getting their news from actual news sources, and they were parroting the messages that Donald Trump has given. Instead of excuses, Trump has deployed the "what about" questions about Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

At one point, a woman told Stiefler that Fox News never had to pay any money for lying to their viewers. He kept trying to tell her that Fox admitted to lying to them, and they paid a ton of money because of it. She refused to believe it.

Another woman refused to believe that Donald Trump would keep boxes of documents in his bathroom. She claimed that the bathroom with two chandeliers looked "like Joe Biden's bathroom." She maintained that Trump would never be so "messy." Selvig explained to her that the photos were in the indictment. They were in the court documents.

The Good Liars are known for going to many events. Jordan Klepper of "The Daily Show" was also known for doing the same kind of interviews, but due to the writer's strike, the show has been off the air.

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Trump’s prison nightmare: See Jack Smith taking 'Hague playbook' to DOJ in Melber Report

Donald Trump faces a powerful legal opponent in Special Counsel Jack Smith. The prosecutor who indicted Trump previously investigated and prosecuted war crimes. In this special report, MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber examines how Smith’s cases on war crimes and corruption offer clues for Trump’s prosecution.

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« Reply #6276 on: June 19, 2023, 12:10:19 PM »
'Much worse than it looks': Morning Joe says GOP showing signs of turning against Trump

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough sees signs that conservatives are finally starting to break with Donald Trump.

The "Morning Joe" host played a montage of prominent Republicans, including former vice president Mike Pence, former attorney general William Barr and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, criticizing the ex-president's handling of classified documents and his campaign policies, and he was struck by how forceful those attacks have become.

"If you look at the weathervane vice president who started immediately [after Trump's indictment] saying, 'Oh, this is a Democratic hit job,' blah, blah, blah, and the next day, 'I'm going to pardon him,' and the next day, he talks about how horrible this information was, and the next day saying, 'Well, I'm not going to pardon him yet, I'm going to see what it looks like,'" Scarborough said. "It took him three or four days, but he got to where every American should be, which is, this looks really bad. He's innocent until proven guilty, and why in the world are we even talking about pardons before convictions? It does seem, if you use that test, of not looking at polls right now but, instead, looking at Republicans, it is a mixed bag at best for Donald Trump."

"You're seeing what's in the National Review, what are the headlines of Drudge every day, what you're seeing from other conservative thought leaders and people who have been aggressively anti-anti-Trump shamelessly over the last several years," he added."You look at the National Review that turned anti-anti-Trumpism into an art form -- they're all saying that this is much worse than it looks."

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See Jack Smith’s new road map for sending Trump to prison: Ari Melber Report

New reporting shows Trump rejected an attorney's plan to settle the documents case last year. Instead, relying on the advice of a conservative activist. See the timeline and choices Trump made to get to this point including alleged obstruction and conspiracy. In this special report, MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber breaks down Smith’s timeline.

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« Reply #6278 on: June 20, 2023, 11:02:20 AM »
Lawrence: Trump incriminated himself on Fox tonight

MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell is joined by former federal prosecutor Andrew Weissmann, former acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal, and national security attorney Bradley Moss to discuss Donald Trump’s latest comments about the Mar-a-Lago documents investigation including comments that could interpreted as a confession.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-trump-incriminated-himself-on-fox-tonight-183387205998


Donald Trump and Fox News Anchor Bret Baier Clash in Heated Interview

The interview got tense as soon as the former president brought up Trump’s recent indictment surrounding classified documents

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'Colossal blunder': Legal expert says 'preposterous' Trump is his own worst enemy



Former President Donald Trump doesn't know what to do now that he has been indicted on federal charges for stashing highly classified national defense information at his Mar-a-Lago resort — and is even "scared."

That's the opinion of Andrew Weissman, former lead prosecutor in the Mueller investigation, after having listened to the former president's disastrous interview with Bret Baier on Fox News.

"What did you hear from defendant Trump in that testimony that could be a defense in court, and what did you hear in the testimony that could be incriminating?" MSNBC anchor Lawrence O'Donnell asked Weissman on Monday evening.

"So, I'm gonna jump right to the second part because there is nothing in the first part," said Weissman. "So, I will be interested in what everyone else thinks just in terms of demeanor. It is a little striking to me that he sounds very unsure of himself and, frankly, a little scared, and he really should be. He is facing 71 felony counts in federal and state court, and may very well be facing additional charges."

"That was a thing that struck me the most, was his tone," said Weissman. "What he had to say is preposterous, so let's just start with this idea of, you know, what is he doing with the boxes and he is saying that he is taking out — and he didn't have enough time to take out personal things. So first, he has already said that everything is his — everything is personal. There's no triage that needs to be done, because according to his prior defense, everything is personal, because they are quote, 'mine.' It's an inconsistency, something that Jack Smith can easily point out. Second, people should understand when you get subpoenaed, if you don't have time to comply, if the deadline is not there, it's not like you don't have the ability to have your lawyer call up and say, you know what? I need more time or I can partially comply, but I need more time. This is what — if that was true, what you don't do is send something to the Department of Justice that says, I fully complied. Now he is saying, in spite of the fact that he said I fully complied, he's now saying, no, no, no, I just needed to take out my golf shirts."

"I mean, this is the kind of thing that Jack Smith has to be salivating over because, when you talked about him talking is the best possible thing, as E. Jean Carroll knows full well," said Weissman. "This is, you know, a colossal blunder on his part to continue down this road."

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Fox host blasts Trump: He 'seemed to verge on incoherent



A Fox interview with Donald Trump left at least one Fox host fearful about the former president's mental state.

Bret Baier spoke to Republican Party's 2024 front-runners on Monday, and Brit Hume was shocked at what he witnessed.

Hume began by congratulating his colleague for pushing back against Trump while also "letting him have his say."

But that was where the niceties ended.

"I will say a couple of things, one thing is his answer on the matters of the law seem to me to verge on incoherent," said Hume. "He seemed to be saying that the documents were really his and that he didn't give them back when he was requested to do so and when they were subpoenaed because, you know, he wasn't ready to because he hadn't sorted them and separated the classified information or whatever from his golf shirts, whatever he was saying."

Hume went so far as to say that it wasn't even clear what Trump was saying.

"But he seemed to believe that the documents were his," Hume continued. "That he had declassified them, when there was evidence to the contrary. And therefore, he could do whatever he wanted with them. Which I don't think is gonna hold up in court."

When it came to Trump's pitch to suburban female voters that he's lost, "his answer was to talk about how he didn't lose the 2020 election. I don't think that's an appealing message for the future."

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'Every time he opens his mouth, it gets worse': Legal analyst slams Trump's interview with Bret Baier



During a panel discussion about Black poverty and the disproportionate number of Black women who die in childbirth, MSNBC host Mehdi Hasan briefly mentioned the interview Fox News had with Donald Trump on Monday night — which resulted in people on the left mocking the former president's performance and has folks on the right scratching their heads.

Among the claims that Trump made when speaking with Fox News' Bret Baier was that he could have declassified the documents he had when he was president. It should thus continue after his presidency. Baier was asking about the recording in which Trump revealed that he "should have" declassified the document he was showing to the biographers working with Mark Meadows for his book. On the tape, Trump makes it clear that he understands he shouldn't be showing the Iran war planning document and that it was secret.

"When I said that I couldn't declassify it now, that's because I wasn't president I never made any bones about that," said Trump. 'When I'm not president, I can't declassify."

The admission is like a problem for Trump's legal team because it clarifies that he understands the law.

Mehdi Hasan asked former US Attorney Harry Litman if special counsel Jack Smith was watching interviews like these, "with popcorn."

"One-hundred percent he is, and it's totally bogus because, of course, Trump's claim was he already had declassified it in his mind just by taking it. So this is one more inculpatory statement. Every time he opens his mouth, it gets worse."

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