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Trump documents probe the 'biggest criminal case in US history': former prosecutor

Former federal prosecutor Kristy Greenberg, who served as the deputy chief of the criminal division at the United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, spoke with MSNBC host Ari Melber on Wednesday's edition of The Beat about the Justice Department's thirty-seven-count indictment against former President Donald Trump.

Trump was charged last week by special counsel Jack Smith for his allegedly unlawful retention of classified documents that he brought from the White House to his Mar-a-Lago golf club in Palm Beach, Florida. Of the thirty-seven felonies listed in the complaint, thirty-one constitute Trump's accused violations of the Espionage Act. Trump could, in theory, spend the rest of his life in prison if he is convicted.

During her discussion with Melber, Greenberg noted the unprecedented nature of Trump's legal predicament and implied that he is making it worse for himself by ignoring the advice of his lawyers:

"In this situation, you would hope that Donald Trump is listening to his defense attorneys. But right now he doesn't have his full defense team, which begs the question of why is it so hard to get a defense attorney for what is going to be the biggest criminal case in US history, right? But lawyers don't wanna work for free. They wanna get paid. They don't wanna end up on the witness stand when a client asks them to break the law and they also don't wanna risk their law license or their liberty by actually potentially being engaging in any kind of crimes."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6313 on: June 16, 2023, 09:54:23 AM »
Lawyer still representing Trump might be key witness in classified documents case



MIAMI — When a federal magistrate judge imposed a “special condition” on Donald Trump’s bond that he could not communicate with witnesses in his classified documents case in Miami, the former president’s defense attorney objected and said that it would be “unworkable” because some of them still interact with Trump every day.

But defense attorney Todd Blanche was not just referring to Secret Service agents and Trump personnel, including one potential witness, co-defendant Walt Nauta, a former White House aide who still works for Trump as an assistant at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach. Blanche also briefly alluded to an unnamed lawyer still employed by Trump.

“One of the key witnesses that we know is still the president’s lawyer,” Blanche said Tuesday in Miami federal court, without naming the attorney. “So a special condition that President Trump cannot communicate with his lawyer, obviously doesn’t work, respectfully, your honor.”

At Tuesday’s arraignment, Magistrate Judge Jonathan Goodman ruled as a condition that Trump and Nauta cannot communicate with witnesses about the case, asking the Justice Department’s special counsel to create a list of people who might testify at trial. The unidentified lawyer for Trump is Evan Corcoran, who is certain to be on the government’s witness list for trial because of his role in gathering classified documents at Mar-a-Lago for a federal grand jury subpoena issued in May 2022, legal experts said. The reason: Corcoran was already ordered by a federal judge to testify in March before a grand jury in Washington, D.C., after the judge found that special counsel Jack Smith had presented sufficient evidence to establish that Trump committed a crime through his attorneys, an exception to the privileged communications between them, according to published reports.

"He’s an extremely important witness because his representations to the government were predicated on what he was told by his client, Donald Trump,” said Miami criminal defense attorney Dennis Kainen, who is a past president of the Miami-Dade Bar Association and former member of the Florida Bar Board of Governors. “To the extent that the government has to prove criminal intent by Donald Trump, it is a good way to do that through the direct words of a defendant as told to his lawyer.

“It’s going to be hard for Donald Trump to walk that back. It is direct knowledge of what Trump said and knew about the classified documents."

Corcoran, a former federal prosecutor turned defense attorney in the Washington, D.C., area was representing the former president when the Justice Department and FBI demanded that Trump turn over classified documents that he had moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago. Corcoran, who testified before the grand jury in March, is identified as “Attorney 1” in the indictment charging Trump with willfully retaining national defense information in violation of the Espionage Act, conspiring to obstruct justice and making a false statement in connection with the government’s subpoena for records.

There is likely to be an intense battle over Corcoran’s testifying as a witness for the government in the Trump documents case, which is being tried in South Florida because the 37-count indictment returned against him was ultimately voted on by a federal grand jury in Miami.

Typically, lawyers cannot be compelled to testify or produce evidence against a client in a grand jury or at trial. But in rare cases, judges can require such testimony if there is evidence that a client’s communication with their lawyers was done purposely to further a crime or a fraud. In the law, it is known as the crime-fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege. While the privilege belongs to Trump, in this instance, if the former president was using his lawyer, Corcoran, to withhold classified documents from the U.S. government, then Corcoran would no longer be bound from testifying about that part of his privileged communications with Trump.

“The defense is going to move to exclude his testimony based on attorney-client privilege,” said Kainen, who represents white-collar defendants. “A judge has already ruled on that issue as it relates to Corcoran testifying before the grand jury. The government (prosecutors) relied on this witness’ testimony for the grand jury and indictment. But the government now needs to call this witness for trial and the defense will certainly file a motion in limine (an early request that his testimony be excluded) as a violation of attorney-client privilege."

In the obstruction conspiracy count, Trump is accused of misleading Attorney 1 — Corcoran — who represented the former president as the lawyer tried to compile classified documents at Mar-a-Lago for the subpoena a year ago. At Trump’s direction, Nauta assisted the former president in this task by moving 64 boxes including some classified documents from a storage room to Trump’s residence and then brought back only 30 of those boxes to the storage room, according to the indictment. On June 2, 2022, Attorney 1 checked the boxes in the storage room and found 38 classified records and set those aside in a folder to turn over to federal investigators.

After Attorney 1 finished sealing the folder with the documents, Nauta took the lawyer to meet with Trump in the dining room at Mar-a-Lago, the indictment said. After the lawyer confirmed his search of the boxes in the storage area, Trump said to him: “Did you find anything? ... Is it bad? Good?"

Trump and Attorney 1 discussed what to do with the folder and whether the lawyer should bring them to his hotel and put them in a safe, the indictment said.

“During that conversation, Trump made a plucking motion, as memorialized by Trump Attorney 1,” the indictment said. “He made a funny motion as though — well okay why don’t you take them with you to your hotel and if there’s anything really bad in there, like, you know, pluck it out,” Attorney 1 memorialized the conversation, as noted in the indictment. “And that was the motion that he made. He didn’t say that.”

On the evening of June 2, 2022, Attorney 1 contacted the Justice Department and asked that an FBI agent meet him at Mar-a-Lago the next day to retrieve the classified documents in response to the subpoena.

However, unsatisfied with the response, the Justice Department obtained a search warrant based on video surveillance of the documents being moved around at Trump’s residence and directed an FBI raid of the Palm Beach estate and club last August, when agents discovered 102 additional government records containing national defense, weapons and nuclear information still on his property. The seizure of those records, which Trump had removed from the White House when he left office in January 2021, form the foundation of the special counsel’s criminal case along with the obstruction charge.

In the indictment, Trump is charged with deliberately keeping documents with classified markings at his Palm Beach estate. It also cites two occasions during the summer of 2021 when the former president allegedly shared classified information about a Defense Department plan to attack a foreign country with a writer, publisher and two staffers at his Bedminster Club in New Jersey. He is also accused of showing a classified map about a U.S. military operation to a representative of his political action committee. But Trump’s sharing that sensitive information is not among the 31 counts alleging violations of the Espionage Act.

"The classified documents Trump stored in the boxes included information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the U.S. and foreign countries; United States nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation to a foreign attack,” according to the indictment. It noted that the former president stored them in various locations at Mar-a-Lago, including a ballroom, a bathroom and shower, an office, his bedroom and a storage room.

Corcoran would likely be questioned on the witness stand about the locations of the documents and their movements by prosecutors working with the Justice Department’s special counsel and by Trump’s defense lawyers on cross-examination — assuming he is compelled by a judge to testify at trial. U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, nominated by Trump, is among the newest additions to the federal bench in South Florida and has been randomly assigned to the documents case.

"It’s fascinating that he’s still a lawyer for Trump and didn’t withdraw,” said Miami white-collar defense attorney Mark Schnapp, a former federal prosecutor in South Florida, referring to Corcoran. “He testified to the grand jury about what Trump told him. He’s probably the most important witness in the case, but he may have a different view of the evidence than what’s presented in the indictment.”

In recent years, Schnapp and other legal experts noted, Justice Department prosecutors have become increasingly aggressive toward lawyers in efforts to pierce the veil of attorney-client privilege. Schnapp cited a compelling example: In 2016, two prominent lawyers were brought before a federal grand jury and directed to provide documents and testimony about conversations they had with a wealthy client.

They were partners at Williams & Connolly, the prestigious Washington law firm, representing Morris Zukerman, a former Morgan Stanley banker and oil investor. Zukerman was accused of failing to pay $45 million in income and sales taxes on works of art and profits from the sale of an oil company.

The two lawyers from Williams & Connolly, James A. Bruton III and James T. Fuller III, both seasoned white-collar defense lawyers, had been ordered by a Manhattan federal judge to appear before the grand jury that was investigating Zukerman to determine whether he had used the lawyers during the course of an IRS audit and inquiry to conceal his activities, according to The New York Times

Prosecutors, in a filing with the court, said Zukerman had the lawyers prepare “a tax protest letter” that challenged “certain audit determinations previously made by an IRS auditor.” In 2017, Zukerman was sentenced to five years and 10 months in prison after pleading guilty to engaging in a scheme to avoid paying income and other taxes.

© Miami Herald

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6314 on: June 16, 2023, 09:59:50 AM »
'Road to hell is paved with good intentions': DOJ blasted for special treatment of Trump

Legal eagle Andrew Weissmann attacked his former employer, the U.S. Justice Department, for what he called going above and beyond to accommodate Donald Trump.

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions," Weissmann explained, speaking to MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace on Thursday.

"I think if you go down the road of trying to accommodate Donald Trump in a way that is inconsistent with what you do with anyone else without there being a reason, he's protected by the Secret Service. That's fine to take that into account because it's different," said Weissmann.

"If you take this as an example, a small example, but it's still an example of the actual first arraignment where the magistrate was not setting standard conditions ...A standard condition is you cannot talk to witnesses. That's where the government just has to bite the bullet.

"That is a really inappropriate accommodation in this case because the indictment itself charges that he tried to solicit obstruction of justice from his own counsel [Evan Corcoran] and from Mr. [Walt] Nauta," said Weissmann. "And so it's not like there's some factual reason to say it's inappropriate here. I just think that's where you just have to live and die by the norms, exactly. And it doesn't stop Donald Trump from saying I'm being vilified and I'm being victimized. He's going to say that no matter what."

It would be better now for the DOJ to admit that they've treated Trump more favorably, he explained.

"That's not a great look either," continued Weissmann. "How about treating him like everyone else?"

Over the course of the past few days, Trump has alleged that he's the victim of a two-tiered justice system. Observers agree, saying he's being treated more favorably with a "platinum arraignment."

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« Reply #6315 on: June 16, 2023, 08:36:14 PM »
Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney

JUST IN: Jim TRUSTY, who dropped off of Trump's criminal defense team last week, is now withdrawing from Trump's lawsuit against CNN, citing "irreconcilable differences" with his client. https://documentcloud.org/documents/23850119-trusty



NEW: A week after Jim TRUSTY quit Trump's criminal defense team, he withdrew from a civil case representing Trump as well, citing "irreconcilable differences."

Trump attorney quits another case, cites ‘irreconcilable differences’
The departure of Jim Trusty from a defamation case that Trump filed is the latest shake-up in his legal team.

Read: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/16/trump-attorney-trusty-resigns-00102408

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1669707102120558597

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6316 on: June 17, 2023, 08:42:59 AM »
Trump can't blame Dems for criminal case because most witnesses are insiders: former prosecutor

Donald Trump won't be able to take his usual route of blaming Democrats in his upcoming criminal trial for handling of classified documents because the primary witnesses in the indictment are from the former president's inner circle, a former federal prosecutor said Friday night.

Former prosecutor Glenn Kirschner appeared on MSNBC to discuss Trump's criminal case, and was asked about the court order limiting Trump from discussing the case with his co-defendant, Walt Nauta, and other witnesses close to him. Kirschner said such an order would likely be unenforceable, but pointed out that those witnesses would be key to crushing Trump's favorite defense.

"Who's going to report a violation of that? Not Walt, not Donald. So I wonder the efficacy of a court order or prohibition like that," he said, adding that there was a separate "great point about the witnesses who we saw in the indictment."

"They weren't named, but they were identified. Some of the most sharply incriminating witnesses against Donald Trump are who? Trump lawyer number one, Trump lawyer number two, Trump lawyer number three, Trump employee number one, number two," said Kirschner during his Friday appearance on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell. "Donald Trump loves to complain that the people who are always going after him are an angry group of Democrats. Well you know what? he's not going to have that complaint available to him at his criminal trial because it's going to be his lawyers and former lawyers, his employees, his former employees, who are providing the lion's share of the incriminating information. Boy, that makes it very tough to mount a defense that all the prosecution witnesses are out to get him."






'The dam will break': former Trump communications chief predicts voters will abandon Trump

As legal troubles continue to amass for Donald Trump and the former president deflects concerns to his opponents, eventually the "dam will break" and Trump will be left high and dry by his supporters, according to his previous white house communications chief.

Anthony Scaramucci, who recently said Trump was a grifter who "really wants to hurt people," was on a Friday night CNN panel when he was asked what he thinks about those currently surrounding Trump. He said a lot of the individuals who have separated from Trump, including his attorneys, did so because "he wants asymmetric loyalty."

"He wants you to do things that are reckless that are borderline criminal, if not criminal. And he wants you to defend him religiously like some of the nut cases still working for him," Scaramucci said. "If you love the country and you love yourself, you have to speak out against this sort of stuff and you have to explain to the American people how wrong his actions are."

Scaramucci further noted that Trump "deserves his day in court on these allegations for sure," but added that he wants people to think about all Trump's legal woes taken together.

"I think ultimately the dam will break here, and the American people or the MAGA voters, hopefully they'll look for a different solution and not him."

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« Reply #6317 on: June 17, 2023, 08:53:31 AM »
Jack Smith seeks order to protect info on 'uncharged individuals' in classified docs case

Special counsel Jack Smith has filed a motion seeking a protective order to govern discovery in the classified documents case against former President Donald Trump.

Smith cited ongoing investigations that could be compromised along with the potential of releasing identifying information about people who haven’t been charged in his request for the protective order for the disclosure of sensitive material.

Attorneys for Trump and co-defendant Waltine Nauta were notified of the proposal and voiced no objections, according to the filing.

“The government is ready to provide unclassified discovery to the defense,” the filing says.

“The discovery materials include sensitive and confidential information, including the following: personal identifiable information covered by Rule 49.1 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure; information that reveals sensitive but unclassified investigative techniques, non-public information relating to potential witnesses and other third parties (including grand jury transcripts and exhibits and recordings of witness interviews); financial information of third parties: third-party location information; and personal information contained on electronic devices and accounts."

“The materials also include information pertaining to ongoing investigations, the disclosure of which could compromise those investigations and identify uncharged individuals", the filing states.

“As a result, the government proposes protections against the dissemination of discovery materials and the sensitive information they contain. Accompanying this motion is a proposed protective order that will protect against unauthorized disclosure of sensitive information, while allowing the defense to use the materials in preparation for their defense.”





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Trump ran for the 2024 GOP nomination because he thought it would save him from prosecution: former WH official

When former President Donald Trump announced his bid to retake the White House in 2024, he was motivated at least partly by the hope it would prevent him from being prosecuted.

That's the belief of former White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews, who expounded on her theory in a CNN panel on Friday discussing the former president's Espionage Act indictment over the boxes of highly classified national defense information hoarded at Mar-a-Lago.

"We heard from the former President Trump on his social platform today," said anchor Phil Mattingly. "He wrote, quote, 'Indictment must be immediately withdrawn by the Injustice Department and with apology.' Sarah, of course, you worked alongside the former president. Do you think that he's doing this as a politician running for president, or that he genuinely believes that he did nothing wrong?"

She replied, "I think he jumped in the 2024 race because he knew he was facing legal trouble and he thought it would be a shield for him. Now that he's in the race, he's going to try to shift blame and make different excuses, that this is politicization and DOJ is being weaponized."

Notably, even if this is the case, Trump's strategists reportedly hoped the indictment would bring in cash and possibly even help him in polling — although it hasn't quite worked out that way.

The ultimate irony, Matthews added, is that Trump didn't need to put himself in this position in the first place.

"The truth of the matter is with this case in particular, Donald Trump could have avoided in indictment altogether had he just listened to his lawyers and given the documents back. This is 100 percent self-inflicted."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6318 on: June 17, 2023, 09:23:44 AM »
"Donald Trump is a traitor”: Former Republican blasts Trump over indictment

Despite a second criminal indictment, the GOP is largely standing by Trump. Mehdi’s panel talks about the politics and national security implications of the classified docs case…and former Republican Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh does not mince his words.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6319 on: June 17, 2023, 10:00:44 AM »
The Associated Press has an excellent timeline of the entire Trump classified documents scandal and indictment. Well worth the read. 

A timeline of events leading to Donald Trump’s indictment in the classified documents case
https://apnews.com/article/trump-documents-investigation-timeline-087f0c9a8368bb983a16b67dd31dcd4c

Donald Trump stored, showed off and refused to return classified documents, indictment says
https://apnews.com/article/trump-justice-department-indictment-classified-documents-miami-8315a5b23c18f27083ed64eef21efff3

Key moments in Trump indictment: Flaunting classified material, stowing boxes in Mar-a-Lago bathroom
https://apnews.com/article/trump-florida-indictment-highlights-857476c71e98e91521212a826efc8816


This witness testimony was critical in Trump indictment, according to one attorney

CNN's Zack Cohen breaks down the details of the federal indictment filed against former President Donald Trump, and CNN's Amara Walker discusses with Palm Beach County state attorney Dave Aronberg.

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