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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6320 on: June 30, 2023, 10:02:32 AM »
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When Jack Smith criminally indicted Donald Trump under the Espionage Act three weeks ago, the indictment seemed overwhelmingly comprehensive in some areas and yet incomplete in others. It suggested that more charges could be coming in the probe. Now it turns out they reportedly are.

Jack Smith is looking at bringing 30 to 45 additional criminal charges against Donald Trump in the classified documents probe, according to a new report from the Independent. The report says that Smith has yet to decide where to bring those charges, depending on whether Judge Aileen Cannon tries to protect Trump in Florida. It's worth guessing Smith would bring the additional charges in New Jersey, which would result in an additional criminal trial. But there’s more.

This same report also says that Jack Smith is about to indict several of the attorneys who helped Donald Trump try to overthrow the 2020 election, including Rudy Giuliani. Apparently Rudy has managed to avoid some of the charges because he gave up Donald Trump his proffer interview, Rudy will still be indicted on some charges. The Independent is also doubling down on its earlier reporting that Mark Meadows has formally agreed to a cooperating plea deal in exchange for reduced charges, even though Meadows’ attorney has denied this.

None of this is necessarily surprising. Jack Smith’s indictment against Donald Trump felt like an incomplete set of charges, more of a first round than anything. It always felt like Smith was keeping more charges up his sleeve in the classified documents probe. And of course everything about the past two weeks has suggested that Smith’s initial January 6th indictments were just around the corner.


Jack Smith looks to hit Trump with up to 45 new charges and indict attorneys: report

Donald Trump could soon be facing additional indictments from the Department of Justice, The Independent reports.

The DOJ has made preparations for a “superseding indictment,” which are additional charges that may include allegations of more serious crimes against a defendant, according to the report, which cites sources familiar with the matter.

Andrew Feinberg writes for The Independent that "Prosecutors are now prepared to 'stack' an 'additional 30 to 45 charges' on top of the 37-count indictment brought against Mr Trump on 8 June. They would do so using evidence against the ex-president that has not yet been publicly acknowledged by the department, including other recordings prosecutors have obtained which reveal Mr Trump making incriminating statements."

The decision over whether to pursue additional charges from a grand jury along with the venue in which they would be pursued, will likely hinge on the extent to which prosecutors believe the judge hearing the case is capable of acting as an impartial jurist, according to the report.

Aileen Cannon’s impartiality is considered an open question after the Trump-appointed federal judge’s decisions in the case were overturned by the conservative 11th Circuit.

Feinberg writes, “Additionally, it is understood that special counsel Jack Smith’s team is ready to bring charges against several of the attorneys who have worked for Mr. Trump, including those who aided the ex-president in his push to ignore the will of voters and remain in the White House despite having lost the 2020 election.”

Among the most prominent potential indictment targets is Rudy Giuliani, who voluntarily met with prosecutors earlier this week, fueling speculation that the former Trump attorney and New York City mayor is looking to cut a deal.

Trump and Giuliani are also believed to be targets of a Georgia probe focusing on efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

Feinberg writes that “That probe, which is being conducted by Fulton County, Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis, is expected to result in multiple indictments which could be unveiled as early as next month. Ms Willis, who last year oversaw a special purpose grand jury probe into efforts by Mr Trump and his allies to reverse his loss to Mr Biden in Georgia, is reportedly considering indictments against the ex-president, his former attorney, top Republican figures in the state, as well as Mr Trump’s final White House chief of staff, ex-North Carolina congressman Mark Meadows.”

Read the full article from The Independent here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-giuliani-more-charges-b2366597.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6321 on: June 30, 2023, 10:11:05 AM »
Ex-Trump campaign official cooperating with Jack Smith in election interference probe

Special counsel Jack Smith has secured the cooperation of Mike Roman, a one-time campaign official for former President Donald Trump, as part of the investigation into the plot to overturn the 2020 presidential election, CNN reported Thursday.

"One of the sources said that the agreement, known as a proffer agreement, means that Roman may not have to appear before the grand jury but could instead speak to prosecutors in a more informal setting. Under such an agreement, prosecutors generally agree not to use those statements against them in future criminal proceedings," reported Zachary Cohen and Kaitlan Collins. "Roman, who received a grand jury subpoena months ago and had his phone seized, was involved in efforts to put forward slates of fake Trump electors following the 2020 election."

This comes amid reporting that Smith is focusing in on the plot to declare fake lists of electors in over half a dozen states, which would then be used as a pretext for throwing out election results and tipping the election to Trump. John Eastman, a far-right lawyer who drafted a memo purporting to explain how former Vice President Mike Pence could block electors as part of this scheme, is now facing potential disbarment.

"The House select committee that investigated January 6, 2021, interviewed Roman — a senior adviser to Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign and tasked with Election Day operations — as part of its inquiry," the report noted. "Speaking to House investigators, Roman invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination for the committee’s questions about his efforts after the election. However, he did answer some of the committee’s questions about his activities ahead of Election Day."

While all of this is taking place, Smith is preparing for trial after indicting Trump in a separate case, concerning the former president's stash of highly classified military secrets at his Mar-a-Lago resort.

Another report today suggests that Smith is pursuing information in that case from Susie Wiles, a Republican operative who is running Trump's 2024 campaign, and who was shown a classified map by Trump.

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Trump could violate Espionage Act whether he showed docs or just talked about them: legal expert

Donald Trump could be found guilty under the Espionage Act even if he never showed anyone a single document, according to a former federal prosecutor.

Harry Litman said Thursday during an appearance on The Lincoln Project’s “The Breakdown” that transmitting information contained in a classified document, whether by discussing it or sharing the physical document, would qualify as a violation of a provision of the Espionage Act.

Litman was responding to a question from a viewer on the show over whether Trump would be disseminating classified information just by talking about its contents.

“Yes,” Litman said. “It’s the same Espionage Act statute, it’s a different section of it, and all you have to do is communicate it.”

But Litman suggested that it would behoove special counsel Jack Smith to obtain the document that reportedly contains plans for a potential military conflict with Iran.

“You would really need the document, I think just for a reasonable doubt proof, but in terms of the letter of the law, you tell him about it, and you can imagine, right oh, yeah, here's what you said about attacking Iran. He's given up the ghost, right.”

Litman’s comments suggest the whereabouts of the missing document could have significant implications in the case against the former president.

CNN earlier this month reported that Trump’s attorneys have not yet located the document.

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'Mafioso' Trump doesn't have the leverage to keep people from flipping on him: columnist

Donald Trump likes to run his operation in a "mafioso" fashion, but the former president no longer has the leverage needed to keep people silent, according to Rolling Stone columnist Jay Michaelson.

Michaelson was on CNN Thursday evening to discuss Trump's mounting legal woes, and said the whole thing is starting to feel like "a house of cards."

"It is all of these different pieces, the whole thing seems to be falling apart. It has been said before that Trump kind of runs his inner circle in a mafioso sort of way, everybody is on loyalty and so forth," he said, adding that it "depends on shutting up and being quiet and being able to enforce that with violence or threats of violence, which trump cannot do."

Michaelson said Trump "does not have leverage anymore, he does not have power over these people anymore."

"It is all crumbling, and it is interesting that there may be more indictments coming possibly to Bedminster in the addition to the Mar-a-Lago documents. We do not want to make too much, people aren't talking we don't know what they said or didn't say, but nonetheless it is really quite remarkable."


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6322 on: June 30, 2023, 01:05:43 PM »
So much for the "surge in the polls".


Trump support dips among Republicans after federal indictment: poll
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4073164-trump-support-dips-among-republicans-after-federal-indictment-poll/


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6323 on: July 01, 2023, 09:23:16 AM »
Mike Roman Flipping Could be a Catastrophe for Donald Trump
https://www.newsweek.com/mike-roman-trump-fake-electoral-2020-election-1810082

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6324 on: July 01, 2023, 10:07:11 PM »
It’s just now coming out that Trump pressured Ariz Gov Doug Ducey to overthrow the 2020 election. Also being reported that Trump pressured Mike Pence to pressure Ducey. So Pence appears to be the source of this information. But why is it coming out now? It’s not by chance.

Pence testified to the grand jury a couple months ago, and gave up all of this kind of information.

Pence could be today’s source. But why belatedly go running to the media now, and with something so specific about someone else? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

It’s possible that Jack Smith strategically decided to give this information to the media because he wants Ducey to know that he already knows the story, and encourage Ducey to go ahead and cooperate. But it’s difficult to imagine why Ducey wouldn’t cooperate. He’s just a witness, not a target. Can’t imagine him being willing to go to prison to protect Trump.

So maybe it’s something else.

But remember, the the wind doesn’t pick up this kind of information and randomly deposit it on a reporter’s desk. Someone involved with the story gives this kind of information to the media for a specific strategic reason.


Trump leaned on Arizona governor to flip state’s election results after 2020 loss, report says
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-arizona-ducey-2020-election-b2367868.html

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« Reply #6325 on: July 02, 2023, 02:12:37 AM »
'Now we have a witness': The DOJ has the foundation for 'additional, very serious charges' against Trump

Appearing on MSNBC on Saturday afternoon, a former assistant U. S. attorney who helped prosecute Jan. 6 insurrectionists claimed that the DOJ got a boost from being able to speak with a close Donald Trump aide heard on tape looking at and discussing confidential documents with the former president after he left office.

Speaking with host Michael Steele, attorney Alyse Adamson claimed the audio recording of Trump and aide Susie Wiles talking and laughing about the documents is helpful, but her testimony under oath likely will lead to more serious charges against the former president.

"How much damage could she cause Trump in his defense?" host Steele asked.

"I think it's very interesting," she replied. "I think it means it is ongoing and again, other charges are imminent."

"It's very damaging," she added. "We heard former president Trump say that he was not really showing classified documents, it was just bravado. These were just random papers he had. But now we have a witness who is likely going to say, 'no, that was a map.'"

"We have someone who was present that can refute Donald Trump's claims and so, I think, that is very important because all we have right now is an audio recording," she elaborated. "And so, yes, he is making statements that are important for his knowledge and intent that he was hanging on to classified documents, which is important for the ultimate charges in this matter. But you have a witness say, 'yes, I actually saw classified documents' that can lay the foundation for those additional, very serious, charges."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6326 on: July 02, 2023, 10:08:44 AM »
Revealed: Trump also tried to pressure Arizona governor to overturn 2020 election results



Donald Trump placed a call to former Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) just after the 2020 presidential election in an effort to pressure him to overturn the election results, reports the Washington Post.

Citing multiple sources, the bombshell report states that not only did the former president make a call, he also "repeatedly" attempted to get former vice president Mike Pence to join in on the pressure campaign and that Pence did call but did not press the issue

The Post is reporting, "Ducey told reporters in December 2020 that he and Trump had spoken, but he declined to disclose the contents of the call then or in the more than two years since. Although he disagreed with Trump about the outcome of the election, Ducey has sought to avoid a public battle with Trump."

According to a Ducey donor who spoke with the Post, the former governor described to them the "pressure" he felt from Trump.

"The account was confirmed by others aware of the call," the Post reports before adding, "Ducey told the donor he was surprised that special counsel Jack Smith’s team had not inquired about his phone calls with Trump and Pence as part of the Justice Department’s investigation into the former president’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election, the donor said."

The Post report goes on to state that it is not known if Smith's investigators have yet been in contact with Ducey.

The former president is already the subject of a 2020 vote tampering investigation by a grand jury in Georgia over phone calls Trump made to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) and Gov. Brian Kemp (R).

A possible indictment is rumored to be coming in mid-August from Fulton County DA Fani Willis.

Read More Here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/07/01/trump-2020-election-arizona-governor-doug-ducey/



'More chickens coming home to roost': Legal experts pounce on Trump over bombshell Arizona phone call report



A report from the Washington Post that Donald Trump reportedly called then-Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) and tried to pressure him to overturn the 2020 presidential election results set off a flurry of commentary on Saturday, with many observers saying the DOJ has another investigation to launch if it hasn't already.

According to the the bombshell report, not only did the then-president make a call, he also "repeatedly" attempted to get the Vice President Mike Pence to join in on the pressure campaign and that Pence did call but did not press the issue.

The Post reported that a Ducey donor recalled the Arizona GOP lawmaker talking about the call at a luncheon, with the report adding, "The account was confirmed by others aware of the call. Ducey told the donor he was surprised that special counsel Jack Smith’s team had not inquired about his phone calls with Trump and Pence as part of the Justice Department’s investigation into the former president’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election, the donor said."

That was all it took for critics to weigh in on what it means for the already twice-indicted former president.

Former U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade offered, "If Jack Smith has not already interviewed former AZ Governor Ducey, you can bet he is typing up the subpoena now. More evidence of conspiracy to defraud the United States. Title 18, USC Section 371 for those of you keeping score at home."

Attorney Maya Wiley stated, "Surprising? No. Trump made calls to GA officials and we know there was a hard press in AZ too. If Jack Smith team hasn’t interviewed witnesses yet, they will now!"

Former prosecutor Joyce Vance wrote, "Once prosecutions start, witnesses tend to develop confidence in coming forward. More chickens coming home to roost: Trump pressured Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey to overturn 2020 election."

Lincoln Project founder and former GOP consultant Mike Madrid simply wrote, "To the surprise of absolutely no one."

Conservative attorney George Conway applauded Ducey for blowing Trump off, writing, "Happy 31 months since Gov. Ducey silenced a call from the psychopathic orange criminal defendant while certifying Arizona’s election results to all who celebrate."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/07/01/trump-2020-election-arizona-governor-doug-ducey/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6327 on: July 02, 2023, 10:13:41 AM »
Trump aide may​ 'shed light on' exactly what Trump showed off in Bedminster: ex-prosecutor

The Donald Trump aide who has been purportedly identified as having witnessed the former president's classified documents in Bedminster, NJ, could "shed light on" exactly what he was holding in the now-infamous recording discussing military operations in Iran, making her testimony critical to Jack Smith's case, according to a former federal prosecutor.

Former federal prosecutor Shan Wu appeared on CNN Saturday and was asked about Susie Wiles, one Trump ally who was reportedly in the room when the audio was recorded. The host said it's not clear whether Wiles could be the source of the leak of that episode, and asked how else that Smith' prosecutors could have been clued in.

"It is hard to know. They may have been interviewing multiple people for it," Wu said, before discussing the importance of Wiles' testimony.

"Someone like her, it is so critical because she could shed light on what it was that Trump was rustling around in his hands and what he was saying about it," Wu added. "And if she got to see it, that will be significant evidence against him with mishandling national security information."

This information would be important in part because Trump has claimed he only had "newspaper clippings" and "building plans" during the recorded interview.

The host noted that Wiles has been travelling with Trump, and that she hasn't "fallen out of favor" yet.

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'Jack Smith is just getting warmed up': Former federal prosecutor points to red flags for Trump

Reacting to reports that special counsel Jack Smith may swamp Donald Trump with dozens more indictments, former prosecutor Glenn Kirschner suggested to an MSNBC host that the former president better gird his loins for what is coming.

Appearing on "The Saturday Show" with host Jonathan Capehart, Kirschner first stated that, if Trump aide Susie Wiles answer the special counsel's questions about the former president retaining classified documents and sharing them with her, that would put Trump in the "danger zone."

"Glenn, you are very good at reading the tea leaves," host Capehart began. "So, the New York Times is reporting that subpoenas are still going out in Jack Smith's documents case, subpoenas from the Miami grand jury —the grand jury that indicted Donald Trump. What do you make of this?"

"What I make of this is that Jack Smith is just getting warmed up," Kirschner shot back. "It seems like he is intent on investigating all of the potential crimes, not only of Donald, Trump but anybody else down at Mar-a-Lago, anybody else in Florida who may have been involved in assisting, facilitating, or who may be covering, up who may be an accessory after the fact to Donald Trump's crimes."

"In the big investigations, Jonathan, it is pretty usual that we will ask the grand jury to vote out one indictment, perhaps one or two defendants, and a limited number of charges, but we will continue to investigate in the grand jury any other crimes about which we have information, and then ask the grand jury to return a subsequent, or what we call a superseding indictment," he added. "That can add either additional charges against the defendants who are already charged, or it can add additional defendants. It can also broaden the conspiracy to bring more conspirators in, so, it feels like Jack Smith still has a good bit of investigating to go."

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