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« Reply #6336 on: June 21, 2023, 09:20:53 PM »
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'Trump is not a victim': Dem congressman slaps down John Durham's claims to his face



On Wednesday, Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee held a hearing with former special counsel John Durham, who was appointed by Donald Trump's one-time attorney general William Barr to investigate the origins of the FBI's investigation into Russian ties to Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.

Ultimately, the Durham investigation — long hyped by Trump, Republican House leaders like Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan (R-OH), and their allies as ironclad proof that the earlier Robert Mueller probe was corrupt and political — was a flop, securing only one plea deal, a couple indictments that led to exoneration, and a recommendation of some minor process changes at the FBI, while failing to find any systemic bias or false conclusions in the Mueller investigation.

Judiciary Committee ranking member Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) pointed this out in a blistering opening statement before Durham was sworn in.

"At the end of the day, Mr. Durham never found what he was looking for," said Nadler. "He cannot dispute a single conclusion in the Mueller report. He cannot prove a magnificent 'deep state' conspiracy, he cannot say that the FBI investigation into the Trump campaign's many ties to Russia never should've happened. And again, I can see why this would be disappointing to some. Instead of owning up to his failure, the Durham report doubles down on theories that lost spectacularly before two unanimous juries. The report also references classified material that's been called likely disinformation, played a series of accusations against the former president's perceived enemies. By presenting a so-called finding in this way, swiping a Republican bogeyman and hiding inconvenient truths in footnotes, the Durham report gives Donald Trump one last talking point."

"It did not have to be this way," Nadler continued. "It may be hard to remember, but at the outset of the Durham investigation, Mr. Durham was a well-respected career prosecutor with a solid reputation. The attorney general is supposed to appoint the special counsel to prevent the appearance of politicization in a criminal investigation. Mr. Durham could well have lived up to that expectation. Instead, what we got is a political exercise that operated with ethical ambiguity and existed to perpetuate Donald Trump's unfounded claims. The investigation fulfilled its political objectives, but did real damage to a department that is still recovering from the excesses of the Trump administration. And despite his best efforts, a reckoning is well underway."

"Do not be misled," concluded Nadler. "Former President Donald Trump is not a victim. He did this to himself. For all of its flaws, the Durham report does not show that anyone else is responsible for the president's legal woes, past, present, or future. Anyone that tells you otherwise is simply making it up."

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« Reply #6337 on: June 22, 2023, 09:41:18 AM »
'Partisan hack': Ted Lieu busts John Durham trying to 'spin the facts' on Russia

Rep. Ted. Lieu (D-CA) accused former special counsel John Durham of behaving like a "political hack."

The confrontation came during a Wednesday House Oversight Hearing about Durham's report on the FBI investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Lieu asked Durham if the FBI was obliged to look into Russian interference.

"The FBI should not have ignored that information," Durham agreed.

"A bipartisan U.S. Senate report confirmed that the Russians interfered in the 2016 elections and that that interference benefited Donald Trump," Lieu pointed out. "Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chairman, also publicly admitted to giving internal Trump campaign data to the Russians, and the U.S. Treasury Department found that this data, which it said was, quote, sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy, was then passed to Russian intelligence services."

"There is a phrase to describe the facts I just set forth," he added. "It's called Russian collusion."

Lieu then asked a series of yes/no questions of Durham.

"Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was convicted, correct?" Lieu asked.

"Correct," Durham replied.

"Trump's former deputy campaign manager, Rick Gates, was convicted, correct?" Lieu pressed.

"That's not in connection with the Russian [investigation]," Durham insisted.

"Mr. Durham, you can hold yourself out as an objective Department of Justice official or as a partisan hack," Lieu warned. "The more that you try to spin the facts and not answer my questions, you sound like the latter."

Lieu concluded by questioning the purpose of the hearing.

"You brought two cases to jury trial based on this investigation, and you lost both," he told Durham. "And so I don't actually know what we're doing here because the author of the Durham report concedes that the FBI had enough information to investigate."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6338 on: June 22, 2023, 10:01:58 AM »
Dem congressman brutally reviews John Durham's record: 'You lost all the cases you brought to trial'

Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) delivered a brutal review of former special counsel John Durham's record over the four years that he worked on investigating the origins of the FBI's probe into the 2016 Trump campaign's contacts with Russian agents.

In questioning Durham, Nadler highlighted not just the length of time that Durham had to complete his probe but also the lack of success he had in pursuing criminal charges.

"Did it take four years to complete?" Nadler asked Durham about his investigation.

"Correct," replied Durham.

"OK," said Nadler. "And with all these resources and all these people that were sent to help you investigate the investigators, you only filed three criminal cases. You only brought two cases to trial, correct?"

"Correct," replied Durham.

"And you lost all the cases that you brought to trial, correct?" Nadler asked.

"Correct," Durham acknowledged.

"In fact, two juries acquitted your defendants on all charges," Nadler continued. "And the one conviction you obtained, the defendant pleaded guilty to a single count that never went to trial. Correct?"

"Correct," said Durham.

Nadler went on to note that the primary investigatory steps taken in Durham's sole conviction were completed by Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz.

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John Durham's 'embarrassing' testimony shows why his probe was 'bungled from the start': legal experts



Former special counsel John Durham testified before the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday and saw his findings get picked apart by multiple Democratic lawmakers, including Reps. Adam Schiff (D-CA) and Jerry Nadler (D-NY).

Schiff in particular pelted Durham repeatedly about former President Donald Trump's actions throughout the 2016 campaign, where he openly encouraged the Russian government to hack his opponent's emails and where his son took a meeting with a Russian agent promising dirt on said opponent.

Durham at times appeared to be unfamiliar with some of the facts mentioned by Schiff, including the fact that Trump repeatedly encouraged people to read the hacked Clinton campaign emails that were stolen by Russian intelligence services and spread via WikiLeaks.

This exchange in particular drew the attention of some legal experts who said it showed that Durham was way out of his depth.

"This is embarrassing," commented former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance on Twitter after seeing that Durham said, "I really don't read the newspapers" in response to one of Schiff's questions.

National security attorney Bradley Moss, meanwhile, expressed astonishment at Durham's ignorance about Trump's behavior.

"This was the grand savior of Trump's vengeance quest?" he asked. "No offense to Durham, but you don't have to read newspapers to know this stuff. It was in the Mueller Report. It was in the GOP Senate Report. This is why this probe was bungled from the start."

And New York University Law professor Ryan Goodman highlighted how Durham seemed unfamiliar with the Mueller report's findings about how former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort met with a Kremlin-connected agent and gave him internal campaign polling data.

"Schiff is very effective at this," Goodman remarked. "It goes to the very heart of Durham’s fundamental flaws. And Durham is being completely exposed here."

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Nicolle Wallace busts John Durham for playing dumb about the Mueller report he was investigating

MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace highlighted testimony from former special counsel John Durham in Congress Wednesday and accused him of playing politics to dodge answering questions that were unflattering to him and his probe.

Speaking to NBC News reporter Garrett Haake, Wallace pointed out that Durham did not know the answer to basic facts about things he was supposed to be investigating.

"Durham's mandate is to investigate not just any investigators, not just investigators who happen to investigate while [Donald] Trump was president, not investigators who may have had one of the pieces of paper that cross their desk that pertains Russia, Durham's mandate was to investigate the investigators who investigated interference by Russia in the 2016 election," Wallace said. "And what a lot of people talk about when they revisit the Mueller report is the Trump figures that were charged that like Paul Manafort, Rick Gates and George Papadopoulos. Mueller also indicted a whole lot of Russians. Durham was the man in charge of the investigation, and he doesn't know basic facts? He either misstates or erroneously recounts the conclusions of the Mueller report. What was that?"

Haake said that his sense is that Durham didn't want to go down that road, so he simply refused to answer questions about it, saying that it wasn't part of his report.

Haake said that his sense is that Durham didn't want to go down that road, so he simply refused to answer questions about it, saying that it wasn't part of his report.

"You might have an issue with the bias Peter Strzok indicated in his text messages, but weren't these findings still findings?" Haake asked. "Were not Russians, in fact, trying to get involved in the Trump campaign or be involved in the 2016 election in a significant way? And nothing in the Durham report undercuts any of those findings by Mueller or the Crossfire Hurricane team that predated him under Jim Comey. I think that's why you would two wholly separate conversations, only tangentially dealing with that paper report in front of them going on in that hearing room for five hours today."

Wallace noted that the one somewhat legitimate finding from the Durham report is that there should have been a preliminary investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 election before the larger investigation.

"At the end of the day, for both Charlie [Savage's] reporting and Garret's, he does not come out and refute the facts that predicated the opening of an investigation. It's simply this rather technical dispute about whether it should have been a preliminary instead of the full. But the wreckage, the blast radius, four years of Donald Trump and Sean Hannity, and everyone on the right building up the Durham report is coming!"

She recalled being in Washington with Trump-era DOJ officials ahead of the Mueller report dropping, and she said that all of them insisted that Durham would discount everything.

"They said, 'This is nothing, wait until you see what Durham's got.' And I said, 'Oh, yeah, what does Durham have?' Durham never had anything except a tip to open an investigation into Donald Trump," Wallace said. "And that was something he couldn't even answer for today."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6339 on: June 22, 2023, 10:34:57 AM »
U.S. judge sets Aug. 14 trial date for Trump in Florida documents case
https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-sets-aug-14-trial-date-trump-florida-documents-case-2023-06-20/


Trump's legal team now has access to discovery evidence including witness list: report



The Department of Justice on Wednesday handed over discovery evidence to Donald Trump’s legal team in the classified documents case, Politico’s Kyley Cheney reports.

The discovery evidence includes the list of witnesses who will testify for the government in the case against the former president.

“DOJ says it has made its first production of trial discovery to Donald Trump and his team — which means (per the below) he now knows who’s going to testify against him, and roughly what they’re going to say,” Cheney tweeted.

According to court records obtained by Cheney, the evidence includes “the grand jury testimony of witnesses who will testify for the government at the trail of this case.”

But Trump can’t share the material publicly.

On Monday a federal judge approved a protective order special counsel Jack Smith sought to prevent the former president from sharing potentially sensitive information, ABC News reports.

Trump last week was charged with 37 counts in connection with his handling of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate.

The protective order includes Trump co-defendant Walt Nauta.

The order states that Trump and Nauta "shall not disclose the Discovery Materials or their contents directly or indirectly to any person or entity other than persons employed to assist in the defense, persons who are interviewed as potential witnesses, counsel for potential witnesses, and other persons to whom the Court may authorize disclosure."

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News Wrap: Judge sets trial date for Trump documents case

In our news wrap Tuesday, a federal judge in Florida set August 14 for former President Trump's classified documents case to go to trial

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6340 on: June 22, 2023, 11:10:50 AM »
Trump had part 2 of his disastrous Faux News interview the other night. Bret Baier made Donnie look like the total moron he is. This is how the media should have handled Donald Trump from the beginning instead of the softball questions he routinely has gotten over the years. Check out the clip below. It's absolutely brutal for Donnie.

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Trump brags to Bret Baier about granting Alice Johnson clemency.

Baier informs him that she would be killed under his policy proposal of executing drug dealers.

Trump is caught off guard: "No, no. No. Under my pl–. Under that? UHHHHHHHHHHH..."


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« Reply #6341 on: June 22, 2023, 10:40:07 PM »
'A terrifying day': Former FBI agent says evidence turned over to Trump is 'overwhelming'



All of the evidence the Justice Department collected about the classified documents case was turned over to Donald Trump and his lawyers on Thursday – and an FBI expert says the trove is likely to be terrifying.

While the specifics aren't public, what is available is a list of the types of information. Documents obtained via subpoena, evidence obtained via search warrants, transcripts of grand jury testimony taken before a grand jury in the District of Columbia, transcripts of grand jury testimony taken in the Southern District of Florida, witness interviews conducted through May 12, 2023, key documents, and photographs, and complete copies of closed-circuit television footage.

Speaking about it in Nicolle Wallace's MSNBC panel, former FBI agent Peter Strzok explained that these details aren't going to surprise anyone in law enforcement or government, but for someone who hasn't faced off against the Department of Justice, it's likely a shock.

"Keep in mind we don't have the slightest idea of the totality of information that Jack Smith and his team have assembled. Every court document, whether it's an affidavit for a search warrant, information on an indictment, does not contain and is not required to contain the totality of information that the government has in its possession," Strzok explained. "So, it stands to reason, not only has there been a grand jury but separate and apart from that grand jury, this investigation has been going on for some time."

It means that subpoenas, voluntary interviews, search warrants, and everything else collected was sent to Trump.

"And if I'm on Trump's defense team, today and yesterday is a terrifying day because the volume of information they suddenly have in their lap, all these different people giving accounts of what happened through the course of the mishandling of the classified information is suddenly available to them," Strzok continued. "And it is, I'm sure, an overwhelming amount of information. I'm sure we are going to see more of it certainly if we go to trial."

He also pointed out that the information revealed is only the unclassified information. There is still a slew of classified information that hasn't gone through the "secret process" to decide what will be turned over and when. There's more to come, he said.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6342 on: June 22, 2023, 10:48:23 PM »
Trump says he was too 'busy' to quickly return classified docs, wanted to get 'personal things'
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-busy-quickly-return-classified-docs-wanted-personal/story?id=100256459


New ad mocks Trump’s excuse that he was too ‘busy’ to hand back boxes of secret government intel
Trump is facing 37 felony charges over his handling of classified documents
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-ad-classified-documents-b2362512.html


'Afraid': Analyst says Trump showed uncharacteristic emotion during interview

Donald Trump looked to be uncharacteristically fearful in an interview earlier this week that may have exacerbated his legal troubles, a prominent columnist writes.

Tom Nichols writes for The Atlantic that it wasn’t Trump’s “jittery and combative” tone during a two-part interview on Fox News with host Bret Baier that caught his attention .“That’s not unusual,” he wrote.

What caught his attention was the extent to which the former president seemed uneasy on his home turf, giving the impression something wasn’t right with the former president.

"Donald Trump seems, more than anything, to be afraid," Nichols wrote.

Nichols notes that despite Trump’s complaints about the right-wing cable network, “Fox, after all, is the network that proved its commitment to Trump by shelling out $787.5 millionas the price of supporting his fantasies about voting machines. And yet, by the end of the interview, Trump was calling Fox a ‘hostile’ network.”

But it was the former president’s answer to one question in particular, which Nichols believes is likely to give Trump and his legal team heartburn.

Nichols writes that “In a potentially important moment, Baier pressed Trump about why he hadn’t simply returned the boxes of materials as the government demanded.”

“Trump, after his ritual invocation of the Divine Right of Presidential Box Ownership, said that he’d wanted to return them but hadn’t had enough time to go through everything, so he didn’t know what was in them. Bad move: Trump had already gotten his lawyers to certify that he did, in fact, know what was in them — or, more accurately, to certify that nothing classified or sensitive remained. As some legal analysts quickly pointed out, including a former prosecutor named Chris Christie, this all sounds a lot like obstruction of justice.”

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6343 on: June 23, 2023, 12:45:41 AM »
New recordings of Trump revealed in classified papers investigation, documents show

Under the terms of a protective order issued last week by Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart, Mr Trump is barred from viewing the evidence against him outside the presence of his attorneys



Federal prosecutors have given former president Donald Trump’s legal team access to much of the unclassified evidence against him, including multiple recordings of Mr Trump made during interviews of him since the end of his presidency.

Attorneys working under the supervision of Department of Justice Special Counsel Jack Smith revealed the existence of the recordings in a late Wednesday court filing which detailed what has been turned over to Mr Trump’s lawyers thus far as part of the legally-mandated “discovery” process, in which the government reveals what evidence it intends to use against a criminal defendant at trial.

Specifically, the document says the government has turned over copies of “any written or recorded statements” made by Mr Trump or his co-defendant, Walt Nauta.

Prosecutors said that category of evidence includes multiple “interviews” of Mr Trump by “non-governmental entities,” such as the 21 July 2021 interview referenced in the indictment of the ex-president.

During that interview, Mr Trump spoke to two people who were assisting his ex-chief of staff, Mark Meadows, with the writing of a book about his former administration, and discussed a document which the ex-president claimed to be a war plan for attacking a foreign country. At the time, Mr Trump described the document as “secret information” and noted that he was not able to declassify it because he was no longer president.

The batch of documents provided to Mr Trump’s defence team also includes transcripts of testimony given by witnesses to grand juries in Washington, DC and Florida during the government’s investigation into his alleged mishandling of national defence information, as well as other materials obtained by the government by way of subpoenas and search warrants, such as surveillance footage from his Mar-a-Lago property.

Prosecutors wrote that the tranche of evidence made available to the ex-president’s attorneys “includes the grand jury testimony of witnesses who will testify for the government at the trial of this case”.

Under the terms of a protective order issued last week by Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart, Mr Trump is barred from viewing the evidence against him outside the presence of his attorneys.

The order states that Mr Trump “shall only have access to Discovery Materials under the direct supervision of Defense Counsel or a member of Defense Counsel’s staff,” and prohibited either of them from retaining copies of the materials themselves or taking any notes with them after viewing any of the materials.

The protective order and the restrictions it places upon Mr Trump are meant in part to prevent him from directing his followers to harass any witnesses against him or any FBI or DOJ personnel involved in the case.

Magistrate Judge Reinhart also ordered that the discovery materials be kept only by Mr Trump’s legal team and stored securely on premises controlled by them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-recordings-fbi-documents-b2362382.html



Former federal prosecutor predicts Trump will be tempted to tamper with evidence and witnesses now



The Justice Department turned over all of the evidence that it has collected against former President Donald Trump regarding his refusal to turn over government documents he took upon leaving the White House. Today is the day that former U.S. Attorney Glenn Kirschner predicts Trump will want to start tampering with evidence.

Speaking on MSNBC's "Deadline White House" on Thursday, the panel cracked jokes about the all-caps rants that have surfaced on Trump's social media site.

Kirschner told Nicolle Wallace that there are some risks to giving the information to Trump, and it's one of the reasons that there was a protective order put in place. That doesn't mean that Trump won't try to fumble his way through witness tampering.

"You know, it's a small consolation if Donald Trump were to tamper with a witness to the detriment of the case and of the witness, yeah, it might be great; the judge might be able to hold him accountable, hold him in contempt, fine him, and possibly even incarcerate him, but the damage has been done," said Kirschner. "At this point you can only confine a man for but one life, and look at all the charges that are pending against Donald Trump. But, you know, if Donald Trump was ever inspired to tamper with witnesses, Nicolle, I have a feeling that will be at its zenith when he reads those grand jury transcripts."

He noted that there are people who are inclined to say one thing when they're in front of Trump and something else when they're in front of a grand jury and under oath.

"And these, we believe, are Donald Trump's own attorneys; they are close associates, heck, they may be cabinet members and family members," said Kirschner. "So, I think this will be a real eye-opening moment for Donald Trump when he starts poring through these grand jury transcripts and he sees what all of these people have testified about regarding his misconduct."

Wallace said that the only real comparison that Americans have to something like this with Trump is when former White House counsel Don McGahn spoke to special counsel Robert Mueller. He was fired after Trump realized just how long McGahn spent with Mueller's team. This might be a different matter.

New York Times reporter Katie Benner said that she'll be looking into who some of the witnesses were that aren't already known. She also said that McGahn was someone she thought of as well when she saw just how many witnesses the special counsel spoke to.

"There's going to be things Donald Trump and his team sees that are evidence that the special counsel has gathered that has really nothing to do with whether or not people have betrayed him on purpose but simply because of the team around him, the people around him, and Donald Trump himself, were really not careful when they spoke about these documents, when they moved these documents around, when they took pictures of them and texted them to one another," Benner said.

She explained that she thinks it will ultimately be the part that truly hurts Trump the most.

"There was so much documentation and so much talk about these documents among so many people," she concluded. "It was just not a well-kept secret he had them. It's incredible this special counsel's office was able to seek out all this information."

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