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« Reply #6368 on: June 28, 2023, 10:57:27 AM »
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Fox News host suggests Trump may have leaked audio in classified documents case

Fox News host Steve Doocy suggested former President Trump may have been behind the leak of an audio recording showing Trump talking about his handling of classified documents.

“You know what? If Trump thinks it’s an exoneration of him, perhaps somebody on his side actually did the leaking to CNN and Maggie Haberman,” Doocy said Tuesday morning.

“That makes sense,” co-host Brian Kilmeade chimed in.

“It does, actually,” Doocy said. “He’s admitting he’s got classified documents.”

On the audio, published first by CNN, Trump is heard discussing classified documents and his disagreements on military policy toward Iran with America’s top general during his time in the White House.

“He said that I wanted to attack Iran, isn’t it amazing?” Trump says on the recording, referring to Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley.

“I have a big pile of papers; this thing just came up. Look. This was him. They presented me this — this is off-the-record, but they presented me this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him.”

Trump was federally indicted earlier this month in connection to his handling of classified documents. He said Monday night the audio is “actually an exoneration” and accused the Department of Justice of leaking the recording.

“The Deranged Special Prosecutor, Jack Smith, working in conjunction with the DOJ & FBI, illegally leaked and ‘spun’ a tape and transcript of me which is actually an exoneration, rather than what they would have you believe,” he said in a post on Truth Social.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4069757-fox-news-host-suggests-trump-may-have-leaked-audio-in-classified-documents-case/



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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6369 on: June 29, 2023, 11:29:47 AM »
Revealed: Trump exposed military secrets out of rage



The ongoing mystery behind former President Donald Trump's stash of highly classified military secrets at Mar-a-Lago has been why he insisted on exposing confidential information. He has repeatedly claimed the documents are "his" and he has a right to possess them — but has never explained exactly what he wanted with them.

The shocking tape obtained by CNN that shows him boasting to patrons of his Bedminster golf club about possessing an Iranian battle plan offers the answer, argued Susan Glasser for The New Yorker: he wanted to discredit Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Mark Milley, after months of behind-the-scenes drama that left the former president enraged at Milley's refusal to enable his worst impulses.

"The damning evidence against Trump would not exist if not for his rift with Mark Milley, a remarkable feud between the Commander-in-Chief and the nation’s top general that had been a secret backdrop to the public drama that played out after the 2020 election," wrote Glasser. "At the time the tape was made, in the summer of 2021, Trump was apoplectic that Milley’s fears about him were becoming public. Two recently published books — one by the journalists Carol Leonnig and Phil Rucker of the Post, and the other by Michael Bender, then of the Wall Street Journal — had reported new details about Milley’s efforts, including regular 'land the plane' phone calls with Meadows, the White House chief of staff, to prevent Trump from drawing the military into his quest to overturn the 2020 election."

According to the report, "Milley was even quoted fretting about Trump and his supporters staging a 'Reichstag moment' — a fear that seemed eerily prescient on January 6, 2021, when a violent mob of Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol, seeking to block congressional certification of Trump’s defeat. Trump, in turn, publicly denounced Milley and said that he had only picked him as chairman in 2018 to spite James Mattis, his soon-to-quit Defense Secretary at the time."

All of this is laid bare in Trump's own words on the tape, explicitly trying to claim the document proves Milley was the one who planned to invade Iran rather than him, as Milley had also feared he might do in his final weeks in office. Sources closer to Milley have pushed back, claiming Milley was in fact trying to restrain the former president from such an attack.

For his part, Trump has denied the thing he was holding on the tape was a classified document, claiming he was simply in possession of other innocent documents like golf course "building plans."

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Top Trump aide is identified as person he showed classified map

A top adviser to Donald Trump’s 2024 presidential campaign has been identified as a key figure in the indictment against him for illegally storing classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago home, ABC News reported Wednesday.

Susie Wiles isn’t named in special counsel Jack Smith's indictment but is referred to as a “PAC representative” to whom Trump is accused of showing a classified map, sources told the news outlet.

He is said to have shown her the map while discussing a military operation that Trump said “was not going well,” before adding that he “should not be showing the map” and warning her “not to get too close,” ABC reported.

Wiles, who ran Ron DeSantis’ two campaigns for governor, also led Trump’s Florida operation in 2016 and later became CEO to Trump’s Save America Political Action Committee, ABC reported.

Wiles, who ran Ron DeSantis’ two campaigns for governor, also led Trump’s Florida operation in 2016 and later became CEO to Trump’s Save America Political Action Committee, ABC reported.

She is one of a small group that's heading his 2024 presidential campaign and is considered one of his most trusted confidantes, ABC reported.

Trump has pleaded not guilty to 37 felony counts in the indictment.

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Trump asked his lawyers about getting back 'my boxes' even on cusp of indictment

Donald Trump continued asking his attorneys for "my boxes" and "my documents" back from the DOJ, even as they warned him he was about to be indicted, according to an exclusive news report.

Trump, who is now facing felony criminal charges in connection with his alleged hoarding of confidential materials, was steadfast in his belief that they were his documents to do with as he wishes, according to the Rolling Stone's new report.

"Last month, Donald Trump’s lawyers told him he was on the cusp of a federal indictment in the classified documents case. But the former president still wanted 'my documents' and 'my boxes' back, asking some of his lawyers if they could get them from the federal government, according to a source with direct knowledge of the matter and two other people briefed on it," the outlet wrote. "It’s one of many such conversations Trump has had over the past few months, the sources say. In these conversations, Trump also claimed it was 'illegal' that he could no longer have the documents seized in the Mar-a-Lago raid. Those materials, Trump insisted, belonged to 'me.' Trump has also asked if there are any other possible legal maneuvers or court filings they could try to accomplish this that they hadn’t thought of yet."

The report continues:

"For much of his post-presidency, Trump has incorrectly insisted to various aides and confidants that the highly classified documents he continued to hoard were 'mine.' In some of these conversations, according to the source with knowledge of the matter, Trump has also mentioned that he’ll get the documents back in 2025 — because he predicts he’ll be president again, and therefore regain unfettered access to the government’s most sensitive secrets."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6370 on: June 30, 2023, 10:02:32 AM »
When Jack Smith criminally indicted Donald Trump under the Espionage Act three weeks ago, the indictment seemed overwhelmingly comprehensive in some areas and yet incomplete in others. It suggested that more charges could be coming in the probe. Now it turns out they reportedly are.

Jack Smith is looking at bringing 30 to 45 additional criminal charges against Donald Trump in the classified documents probe, according to a new report from the Independent. The report says that Smith has yet to decide where to bring those charges, depending on whether Judge Aileen Cannon tries to protect Trump in Florida. It's worth guessing Smith would bring the additional charges in New Jersey, which would result in an additional criminal trial. But there’s more.

This same report also says that Jack Smith is about to indict several of the attorneys who helped Donald Trump try to overthrow the 2020 election, including Rudy Giuliani. Apparently Rudy has managed to avoid some of the charges because he gave up Donald Trump his proffer interview, Rudy will still be indicted on some charges. The Independent is also doubling down on its earlier reporting that Mark Meadows has formally agreed to a cooperating plea deal in exchange for reduced charges, even though Meadows’ attorney has denied this.

None of this is necessarily surprising. Jack Smith’s indictment against Donald Trump felt like an incomplete set of charges, more of a first round than anything. It always felt like Smith was keeping more charges up his sleeve in the classified documents probe. And of course everything about the past two weeks has suggested that Smith’s initial January 6th indictments were just around the corner.


Jack Smith looks to hit Trump with up to 45 new charges and indict attorneys: report

Donald Trump could soon be facing additional indictments from the Department of Justice, The Independent reports.

The DOJ has made preparations for a “superseding indictment,” which are additional charges that may include allegations of more serious crimes against a defendant, according to the report, which cites sources familiar with the matter.

Andrew Feinberg writes for The Independent that "Prosecutors are now prepared to 'stack' an 'additional 30 to 45 charges' on top of the 37-count indictment brought against Mr Trump on 8 June. They would do so using evidence against the ex-president that has not yet been publicly acknowledged by the department, including other recordings prosecutors have obtained which reveal Mr Trump making incriminating statements."

The decision over whether to pursue additional charges from a grand jury along with the venue in which they would be pursued, will likely hinge on the extent to which prosecutors believe the judge hearing the case is capable of acting as an impartial jurist, according to the report.

Aileen Cannon’s impartiality is considered an open question after the Trump-appointed federal judge’s decisions in the case were overturned by the conservative 11th Circuit.

Feinberg writes, “Additionally, it is understood that special counsel Jack Smith’s team is ready to bring charges against several of the attorneys who have worked for Mr. Trump, including those who aided the ex-president in his push to ignore the will of voters and remain in the White House despite having lost the 2020 election.”

Among the most prominent potential indictment targets is Rudy Giuliani, who voluntarily met with prosecutors earlier this week, fueling speculation that the former Trump attorney and New York City mayor is looking to cut a deal.

Trump and Giuliani are also believed to be targets of a Georgia probe focusing on efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

Feinberg writes that “That probe, which is being conducted by Fulton County, Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis, is expected to result in multiple indictments which could be unveiled as early as next month. Ms Willis, who last year oversaw a special purpose grand jury probe into efforts by Mr Trump and his allies to reverse his loss to Mr Biden in Georgia, is reportedly considering indictments against the ex-president, his former attorney, top Republican figures in the state, as well as Mr Trump’s final White House chief of staff, ex-North Carolina congressman Mark Meadows.”

Read the full article from The Independent here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-giuliani-more-charges-b2366597.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6371 on: June 30, 2023, 10:11:05 AM »
Ex-Trump campaign official cooperating with Jack Smith in election interference probe

Special counsel Jack Smith has secured the cooperation of Mike Roman, a one-time campaign official for former President Donald Trump, as part of the investigation into the plot to overturn the 2020 presidential election, CNN reported Thursday.

"One of the sources said that the agreement, known as a proffer agreement, means that Roman may not have to appear before the grand jury but could instead speak to prosecutors in a more informal setting. Under such an agreement, prosecutors generally agree not to use those statements against them in future criminal proceedings," reported Zachary Cohen and Kaitlan Collins. "Roman, who received a grand jury subpoena months ago and had his phone seized, was involved in efforts to put forward slates of fake Trump electors following the 2020 election."

This comes amid reporting that Smith is focusing in on the plot to declare fake lists of electors in over half a dozen states, which would then be used as a pretext for throwing out election results and tipping the election to Trump. John Eastman, a far-right lawyer who drafted a memo purporting to explain how former Vice President Mike Pence could block electors as part of this scheme, is now facing potential disbarment.

"The House select committee that investigated January 6, 2021, interviewed Roman — a senior adviser to Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign and tasked with Election Day operations — as part of its inquiry," the report noted. "Speaking to House investigators, Roman invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination for the committee’s questions about his efforts after the election. However, he did answer some of the committee’s questions about his activities ahead of Election Day."

While all of this is taking place, Smith is preparing for trial after indicting Trump in a separate case, concerning the former president's stash of highly classified military secrets at his Mar-a-Lago resort.

Another report today suggests that Smith is pursuing information in that case from Susie Wiles, a Republican operative who is running Trump's 2024 campaign, and who was shown a classified map by Trump.

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Trump could violate Espionage Act whether he showed docs or just talked about them: legal expert

Donald Trump could be found guilty under the Espionage Act even if he never showed anyone a single document, according to a former federal prosecutor.

Harry Litman said Thursday during an appearance on The Lincoln Project’s “The Breakdown” that transmitting information contained in a classified document, whether by discussing it or sharing the physical document, would qualify as a violation of a provision of the Espionage Act.

Litman was responding to a question from a viewer on the show over whether Trump would be disseminating classified information just by talking about its contents.

“Yes,” Litman said. “It’s the same Espionage Act statute, it’s a different section of it, and all you have to do is communicate it.”

But Litman suggested that it would behoove special counsel Jack Smith to obtain the document that reportedly contains plans for a potential military conflict with Iran.

“You would really need the document, I think just for a reasonable doubt proof, but in terms of the letter of the law, you tell him about it, and you can imagine, right oh, yeah, here's what you said about attacking Iran. He's given up the ghost, right.”

Litman’s comments suggest the whereabouts of the missing document could have significant implications in the case against the former president.

CNN earlier this month reported that Trump’s attorneys have not yet located the document.

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'Mafioso' Trump doesn't have the leverage to keep people from flipping on him: columnist

Donald Trump likes to run his operation in a "mafioso" fashion, but the former president no longer has the leverage needed to keep people silent, according to Rolling Stone columnist Jay Michaelson.

Michaelson was on CNN Thursday evening to discuss Trump's mounting legal woes, and said the whole thing is starting to feel like "a house of cards."

"It is all of these different pieces, the whole thing seems to be falling apart. It has been said before that Trump kind of runs his inner circle in a mafioso sort of way, everybody is on loyalty and so forth," he said, adding that it "depends on shutting up and being quiet and being able to enforce that with violence or threats of violence, which trump cannot do."

Michaelson said Trump "does not have leverage anymore, he does not have power over these people anymore."

"It is all crumbling, and it is interesting that there may be more indictments coming possibly to Bedminster in the addition to the Mar-a-Lago documents. We do not want to make too much, people aren't talking we don't know what they said or didn't say, but nonetheless it is really quite remarkable."


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6372 on: June 30, 2023, 01:05:43 PM »
So much for the "surge in the polls".


Trump support dips among Republicans after federal indictment: poll
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4073164-trump-support-dips-among-republicans-after-federal-indictment-poll/


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« Reply #6373 on: July 01, 2023, 09:23:16 AM »
Mike Roman Flipping Could be a Catastrophe for Donald Trump
https://www.newsweek.com/mike-roman-trump-fake-electoral-2020-election-1810082

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6374 on: July 01, 2023, 10:07:11 PM »
It’s just now coming out that Trump pressured Ariz Gov Doug Ducey to overthrow the 2020 election. Also being reported that Trump pressured Mike Pence to pressure Ducey. So Pence appears to be the source of this information. But why is it coming out now? It’s not by chance.

Pence testified to the grand jury a couple months ago, and gave up all of this kind of information.

Pence could be today’s source. But why belatedly go running to the media now, and with something so specific about someone else? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

It’s possible that Jack Smith strategically decided to give this information to the media because he wants Ducey to know that he already knows the story, and encourage Ducey to go ahead and cooperate. But it’s difficult to imagine why Ducey wouldn’t cooperate. He’s just a witness, not a target. Can’t imagine him being willing to go to prison to protect Trump.

So maybe it’s something else.

But remember, the the wind doesn’t pick up this kind of information and randomly deposit it on a reporter’s desk. Someone involved with the story gives this kind of information to the media for a specific strategic reason.


Trump leaned on Arizona governor to flip state’s election results after 2020 loss, report says
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-arizona-ducey-2020-election-b2367868.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6375 on: July 02, 2023, 02:12:37 AM »
'Now we have a witness': The DOJ has the foundation for 'additional, very serious charges' against Trump

Appearing on MSNBC on Saturday afternoon, a former assistant U. S. attorney who helped prosecute Jan. 6 insurrectionists claimed that the DOJ got a boost from being able to speak with a close Donald Trump aide heard on tape looking at and discussing confidential documents with the former president after he left office.

Speaking with host Michael Steele, attorney Alyse Adamson claimed the audio recording of Trump and aide Susie Wiles talking and laughing about the documents is helpful, but her testimony under oath likely will lead to more serious charges against the former president.

"How much damage could she cause Trump in his defense?" host Steele asked.

"I think it's very interesting," she replied. "I think it means it is ongoing and again, other charges are imminent."

"It's very damaging," she added. "We heard former president Trump say that he was not really showing classified documents, it was just bravado. These were just random papers he had. But now we have a witness who is likely going to say, 'no, that was a map.'"

"We have someone who was present that can refute Donald Trump's claims and so, I think, that is very important because all we have right now is an audio recording," she elaborated. "And so, yes, he is making statements that are important for his knowledge and intent that he was hanging on to classified documents, which is important for the ultimate charges in this matter. But you have a witness say, 'yes, I actually saw classified documents' that can lay the foundation for those additional, very serious, charges."

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