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The fourth indictment of former President Donald Trump

A grand jury in Fulton County, Georgia, has indicted former President Donald Trump and more than a dozen of his associates on charges of election fraud, racketeering and other counts related to alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election. CBS News chief election and campaign correspondent Robert Costa anchors a special report.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6433 on: August 17, 2023, 01:11:47 PM »
Another fantastic week for Trump.  Campaign donations are surging.  He is surging in the polls.  In contrast, Old Joe has been sleeping at the beach while Hawaii burned.  He had "no comment."  He continues to look confused when he is allowed by his handlers to make a rare public appearance.  He can never figure out how to leave a stage.  Imagine another six years of this disaster.  Or even worse.  Kamala.  America is a shell of its former self after only two years of Old Joe. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6434 on: August 18, 2023, 03:12:18 AM »
 "Trump is surging in the polls"  :D :D :D


Majority of Americans say they ‘definitely’ won’t vote for Trump in 2024: poll
https://nypost.com/2023/08/17/majority-of-americans-say-they-definitely-wont-vote-for-trump-in-2024-poll/


GOP 'quietly panicking' over 'devastating' poll numbers on Trump crimes: Morning Joe

Donald Trump may have finally reached a tipping point with voters after his fourth indictment, and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said Republicans were "quietly panicking" about their 2024 chances.

The twice-impeached ex-president was charged with racketeering in Georgia for his role in a wide-ranging conspiracy to overturn his election loss in the state, and he faces charges in two federal cases and another case in New York, and the "Morning Joe" host pointed to new poll numbers that show few Americans believe he did nothing wrong.

"This is what Republicans have quietly been panicking about," Scarborough said. "You look at these numbers -- 64 percent in the [Associated Press] poll, 64 percent say they're not going to support Trump next year. I actually saw people connected with Mitch McConnell and other Republicans tweeting that out, that this is devastating. That's who the Republicans are moving towards putting up. He has a 33-percent approval rating, a favorable rating in that poll. The majority believe what he did was illegal, and there are so many other polls that came out yesterday that are showing the same thing. Independents breaking dramatically away from Donald Trump. Independents saying he should have been indicted, independents saying overwhelmingly that what he did was illegal."

Polls found voters are most hostile to Trump for his actions in Georgia than the election interference case brought by special counsel Jack Smith, and even more voters believe he broke the law by hoarding classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort.

"You know, we've been careful not to draw any conclusions on where Republicans are going to go just because it's been so impossible to figure that out in the past six, seven years," Scarborough said. "My former party, I will say, for me, this is feeling a lot like June of 1974 leading up to [Richard] Nixon's resignation in August. Trump will not back out, but I tell the story repeatedly of my father, what I'm trying to get my arms around this, I remember my dad staying with Nixon until the very end and then reading the transcripts of the tapes and saying, 'That guy is unworthy to be president.'"

The polls also found 64 percent of Americans say they would not support Trump for a second term, while 54 percent say he threatened democracy itself, and Scarborough said very few people believe his actions were merely unethical.

"Only 15 percent of Americans, let's underline this, agree with Donald Trump that he did nothing wrong," Scarborough said. "Only 15 percent of Americans agree with Donald Trump that he did nothing wrong in the classified documents case. Only 14 percent of Americans say he did nothing wrong in the hush-money case. Of course, that is by far, for good reason, the weakest case, but these numbers, it sure seems like they're moving in one direction and the bad news for him is, the more people find out about these cases, the worse news it is for Donald Trump."

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« Reply #6435 on: August 18, 2023, 03:30:37 AM »
Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online

A fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury that indicted Trump and 18 other people for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election

ATLANTA — The purported names and addresses of members of the grand jury that indicted Donald Trump and 18 of his co-defendants on state racketeering charges this week have been posted on a fringe website that often features violent rhetoric, NBC News has learned.

NBC News is choosing not to name the website featuring the addresses to avoid further spreading the information.

The Fulton County District Attorney’s Office declined to comment. District Attorney Fani Willis faced racist threats ahead of the return of the indictment, and additional security measures were put in place, with some employees being allowed to work from home.

The grand jurors' purported addresses were spotted by Advance Democracy, a nonpartisan research group founded by Daniel J. Jones, a former FBI investigator and staffer for the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee.

“It’s becoming all too commonplace to see everyday citizens performing necessary functions for our democracy being targeted with violent threats by Trump-supporting extremists," Jones said. "The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence — is shameful.”

Advance Democracy also noted that users were posting the names and images of people believed to have been grand jurors on other social media sites. The posts asserted that the jurors had posted on social media in support of Sens. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Raphael Warnock, D-Ga., former President Barack Obama and the Black Lives Matter movement.

The indictment issued Monday lists the names of the grand jury members but not their addresses or other personal information.

Tuesday — after Trump posted on his social media website that authorities were going "after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!" — Advance Democracy said Trump supporters were "using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur" in posts.

The Fulton County Sheriff's Office, which is handling the surrender of Trump and his co-defendants over the next 10 days, initially declined to comment, but said in a statement Thursday after this article published that they are "aware that personal information of members of the Fulton County Grand Jury is being shared on various platforms."

"As the lead agency, our investigators are working closely with local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies to track down the origin of threats in Fulton County and other jurisdictions," a statement fro the sheriff's office said Thursday. "We take this matter very seriously and are coordinating with our law enforcement partners to respond quickly to any credible threat and to ensure the safety of those individuals who carried out their civic duty."

The FBI did not respond to a request for comment.

The grand jurors have come under attack in the days since Trump's indictment, the fourth criminal indictment brought against the twice-impeached former president.

“These jurors have signed their death warrant by falsely indicting President Trump," a post on a pro-Trump forum read in response to a post including the names of jurors, which was viewed by NBC News.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/names-addresses-grand-jurors-georgia-trump-indictment-posted-online-rcna100239

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« Reply #6436 on: August 18, 2023, 03:40:36 AM »
Watch: Roger Stone hatched plan to overturn 2020 election before results were known



Longtime GOP operative and Donald Trump ally Roger Stone is shown hatching plans to overturn the 2020 election before the results were even known in a video obtained by MSNBC host Ari Melber.

The video, which the cable network released publicly on Wednesday during “The Beat with Ari Melber,” shows Stone, who was previously caught on a hot mic talking about how he got Trump to do his bidding, dictating the plans to an associate on Nov. 5, 2020, two days after Election Day. The statement outlines plans to compel state legislatures to overturn close races by claiming election fraud.

The video, which highlights the plot that is now at the center of a federal and state indictments, was taken by Danish documentarian, Melber said.

“Although state officials in all 50 states must ultimately certify the results of the voting in their state, the final decision as to who the state legislatures authorize be sent to the electoral college is a decision made solely by the legislature,” Stone said. “Any legislative body may decide on the basis of overwhelming evidence of fraud to send electors to the Electoral College who accurately reflect the President’s legitimate victory in their state, which was illegally denied him through fraud.“

He continued:

"We must be prepared to lobby our Republican legislatures by personal contact and by demonstrating the overwhelming will of the people … in each state that this may need to happen."

“Let me make a clear point about this exclusive here on The Beat tonight,” Melber said. “That was before the presidential race had even been called for Biden. Now this is important, take a look, Stone pushing the elector plot as you just saw with your own eyes all the way back on November 5 2020. That’s a shot of the video on the left that we just took broken here as news tonight.”

Melber noted that Stone’s comments in the video undercut a key Trump defense argument.

“That timeline hurts the Trump defense that we’ve heard so much about, that these individuals pushing these plots were acting in a good faith belief they had won. Indeed, this particular piece of evidence, this video shows quite the opposite for Stone. He was pushing the plot, not because he believed Trump had won or was looking at numbers or looking at the results as they were called, which hadn’t happened yet,” Melber said.

“Regardless of the results that were not even in, he was already pushing this plot. Stone’s words on video were early, a month before now indicted Ken Cheseboro penned the memo outlining the plot, long before Rudy Giuliani, now indicted, was recruiting those people.”

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'Buckle up your seatbelt': Watergate lawyer shows why Roger Stone’s 'day is coming'

Former Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman warned Roger Stone that the strong arm of the law isn't far off.

Akerman was speaking to Jason Johnson on Thursday, who was filling in for MSNBC's Ari Melber, when Johnson replayed a clip of the bombshell documentary that exposed Roger Stone's role in the Jan. 6 attack and in proposing the idea of fake electors.

Among the things revealed in the doc is that Stone had a meltdown over the fact that Trump didn't pardon him before leaving office on Jan. 20.

"I think the real problem here is that in the Jan. 6th indictment that was brought to the District of Columbia by Jack Smith, he wanted to keep it really simple, and had only Donald Trump as a defendant, so he could get this to trial in January or February of next year," explained Akerman.

As for Roger Stone, however, Akerman said, "I guarantee you they have something on him. I mean, just to give you a couple of little tidbits, we know that Roger Stone was on Capitol Hill on Jan. 5th, the day before the riot. He was hanging out with the very people that you just mentioned in that group chat, the Proud Boys, and the Oath Keepers. In fact, he was photographed with the three of the Oath Keepers who have pled guilty to seditious conspiracy and agreed to cooperate with the government."

Those witnesses, the three Oath Keepers, haven't yet been called in any of the trials.

"And I think the radical reason is, probably they are saving those people for Roger Stone," said Akerman. "If they had had them testify in the original trials, they would have had to turn over all of the statements and reveal what they have said about Roger Stone. So, my sense is that Roger Stone's day is coming. Buckle up your seatbelt, and just sit and wait."

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Lawrence: Georgia is the indictment that made Donald Trump shut up

MSNBC’S Lawrence O’Donnell details how Donald Trump canceling a press event to push election lies about the 2020 election in Georgia shows he is “terrified” of District Attorney Fani Willis’s indictment. Trump has failed to defend the acts of “racketeering activity” and election lies he is charged with that his lawyers “will never be to defend.”

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« Reply #6438 on: August 19, 2023, 04:46:00 AM »
'Heinous, vile, disgusting’: the worst crime Trump is accused of in the new Georgia indictment

91 criminal counts in four separate cases. Dozens of co-conspirators. But if you remember one thing about Donald Trump’s alleged crimes, Mehdi says, remember what the sitting president and his criminal enterprise did to the lives of two innocent women of color in Georgia.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6439 on: August 19, 2023, 04:48:28 AM »
CNN identifies unindicted co-conspirators from Trump's Georgia case

CNN's Zachary Cohen reports on the 'unindicted co-conspirators' alleged by Fulton County DA Fani Willis to have participated in the criminal conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election in Donald Trump's Georgia case.

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