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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2232 on: October 25, 2020, 11:46:44 PM »
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To Michael. Some "facts" that need addressing.

Trump's "travel ban" on China did little to prevent widespread community infection. There were about 40,000 nationals who travelled back after the ban. There were individuals who merely bypassed the "ban" by travelling to another country first, particularly European countries, to gain entry into the USA. Also the European countries that were heavily infected early, like Italy, had no such ban before it was too late. You also had early community transmission in Washington state. The virus was already in the country unfortunately. You had no decent testing method, this was due to errors by CDC essentially.a reasonable analogy to Trump's approach was you already has a few burglars in the house so you locked the front door to prevent any more entering. You left the back door open so more could enter and turned the lights out so you could pretend there was no problem.

Your references to Sweden and herd immunity are unsophisticated and you need to be aware that the Swedes have altered their strategy and acknowledged their errors again. What a refreshing approach that is.

You fail to acknowledge the possibility of long term effects on those who have been infected. Some know what they don’t know. We don’t know how long immunity lasts and how many can get reinfected.

The successful approaches to combatting the virus in terms of public health and economic effects, and I include my country Australia in this has been a relatively coordinated approach by federal and state governments. Consistent methods and a mature understanding of the problem by the general population. The keys to any widespread infection are effective testing, where results are known within at least 48 hours and contact tracing. Community spread has to be contained.

The concept of herd immunity in the absence of an effective vaccine that can be distributed quickly and accepted by the population would be a forlorn concept.

PS looking forward to your cheerleading references by Nature and thoughts on the CDC estimates of a in increase of 300,000 deaths in the USA so far this year.

PPS if Fauci is so bad why doesn’t Donald fire him like most of his appointments? He is the leader after all.
Fauci has never claimed perfection or spouted self praise. A behaviour of Trump's that is routinely laughable.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2233 on: October 26, 2020, 01:49:03 AM »
A recent article about Sweden quoting Tengel.

Sweden's top epidemiologist defends coronavirus strategy

"Anders Tegnell, Sweden's chief epidemiologist, defended his country's coronavirus strategy in an interview with the New Statesman, telling the newspaper that Sweden did not pursue "herd immunity" and "definitely had a virtual lockdown" — despite looser restrictions than most countries.

Why it matters: Sweden's more relaxed approach to the pandemic compared to other industrialized countries has been a source of controversy, with many libertarians and conservatives, including Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), arguing that the U.S. should have pursued a similar strategy.

Context: Schools, restaurants, and bars in Sweden were never closed. Masks were not recommended. And while the government did limit public gatherings to 50 people, the restriction did not apply to all circumstances.

The country has seen one of the world's highest mortality rates among wealthy countries — around 58 deaths per 100,000 people, compared to 11.58 in neighboring Denmark, 6.24 in Finland and 5.09 in Norway.
Sweden managed to suppress the spread of the virus after a June peak, but is now seeing a rise in infections like most of Europe.
What he's saying: In the interview, published Monday, Tegnell said, “I want to make it clear, no, we did not lock down like many other countries, but we definitely had a virtual lockdown.”

“Swedes changed their behaviour enormously. We stopped travelling even more than our neighbouring countries. The airports had no flights anywhere, the trains were running at a few per cent of normal service, so there were enormous changes in society," he added.
Tegnell said to suggest the country pursued "herd immunity" would be incorrect. "In common with other countries we’re trying to slow down the spread as much as possible... To imply that we let the disease run free without any measures to try to stop it is not true," he said.
Tegnell said any genuine herd immunity strategy would "rapidly overwhelm your health service and possibly cause a number of deaths indefinitely and leave people with long-term consequences. If you can avoid that I would say that you definitely should.”
Worth noting: On Monday, Sweden's regional health authorities will have more power to ask for recommendations specific to their localities, per The Local Sweden.

Previously, such recommendations were only issued at the national level.
The measures have been described by officials as "strong recommendations," but they're still not legal binding.
Residents may be instructed to avoid public transportation, unnecessary travel outside of a particular region, indoor environments and other places where groups may gather, according to The Local"

https://www.axios.com/sweden-coronavirus-strategy-epidemiologist-02b29922-6040-4b31-aafd-ff4ad01256be.html


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2234 on: October 26, 2020, 03:30:30 AM »
In the article posted as criticism of Fauci.

"In an interview with Just the News, Fishbein said this week that Fauci failed to take responsibility for the managers and researchers working below him when signs of trouble emerged, allowing problems to persist until others intervened. "Fauci is all about Fauci," Fishbein said. "He loves being the headline. It’s his ego."

Transpose Trump for Fauci......oh the irony.

Justthenews......John Solomon.....really? And you criticise Nature!
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2235 on: October 26, 2020, 03:41:39 PM »
Campaign events for today (just 8 days before the election):

Old Joe:  none

Kantala:  none


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2236 on: October 26, 2020, 03:50:36 PM »
Campaign events for today (just 8 days before the election):

Old Joe:  none

Kantala:  none

Apparently Rudi is still trying to get something out before the election.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2237 on: October 26, 2020, 06:09:28 PM »
Quite a contrast between Trump's high energy rallies all around the country and the crickets chirping at Hiden's house.  Big Mo is swinging while Dirty Joe naps.  The polls are tightening in all the swing states.  The dems will never recover if Old Joe manages to blow this election with his do nothing campaign.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2238 on: October 26, 2020, 10:07:15 PM »
Quite a contrast between Trump's high energy rallies all around the country and the crickets chirping at Hiden's house.  Big Mo is swinging while Dirty Joe naps.  The polls are tightening in all the swing states.  The dems will never recover if Old Joe manages to blow this election with his do nothing campaign.

Will you be saying anything of even the slightest significance any time soon?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2239 on: October 26, 2020, 10:19:22 PM »
Will you be saying anything of even the slightest significance any time soon?

Yes, on Nov. 3.  Old Joe must be spooked by President Trump's incredible campaign tour today where tens of thousands are turning out.  Hiden actually emerged for a couple minutes and ranted on the virus like an octogenarian escapee from the nursing home.  He became badly confused though after a couple minutes and disappeared.  He thinks he is running for Senate against George Bush.  HA HA HA.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2239 on: October 26, 2020, 10:19:22 PM »