Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Martin Weidmann]

I know you keep hoping that the vaccine will not be distributed until after Jan. 20 so the dems can take credit for it while people continue to die but most accounts suggest that emergency approvals will be granted within the next few weeks.  Distribution will begin immediately because of the efforts to the Trump administration.  Hopefully in December.  The Trump vaccine is coming!  It is safe and effective.   I'm not sure how you are blaming Trump for Cuomo's apparent reluctance to distribute the vaccine to the people of NY after it is approved by the FDA.  Trump simply pointed out that the vaccine has a limited shelf life.  It has to be given within that timeframe.  There would be no point in sending it to NY (and depriving others of the vaccine) if Cuomo has no intent to distribute it.

I know you keep hoping that the vaccine will not be distributed until after Jan. 20

As per usual, you don't know this at all as it is completely false. I would love it if the vaccine was available today. It would save me a lot of money if things can return to normal as soon as possible. Consumer confidence needs to be restored as quickly as possible, as that is the main key to economic recovery. So, I don't give a damn who tries to take the credit, because in reality the real credit goes to the experts who developed the vaccine and not to the politicians.

In fact, I don't think Biden would care one bit if credit was given to Trump as long as the vaccine was out there. On the other hand, of course, Trump, being the narcissist he is, would scream bloody murder if any credit was given to anybody but him.

I'm not sure how you are blaming Trump for Cuomo's apparent reluctance to distribute the vaccine to the people of NY after it is approved by the FDA.  Trump simply pointed out that the vaccine has a limited shelf life.  It has to be given within that timeframe.  There would be no point in sending it to NY (and depriving others of the vaccine) if Cuomo has no intent to distribute it. 

BS... When the vaccine is FDA approved, Cuomo will distribute it. Unlike Trump, Cuomo is no idiot! Trump never simply points out anything. He has started to complain about Cuomo before there is FDA approval of the vaccine and before Cuomo has ever said he would refuse to distribute it. Why is he doing that? To create another false narrative in which Cuomo gets blamed for something Trump did. That's how it's going to play out....

[Jack Trojan]

I know you keep hoping that the vaccine will not be distributed until after Jan. 20 so the dems can take credit for it while people continue to die but most accounts suggest that emergency approvals will be granted within the next few weeks.  Distribution will begin immediately because of the efforts to the Trump administration.  Hopefully in December.  The Trump vaccine is coming!  It is safe and effective.   I'm not sure how you are blaming Trump for Cuomo's apparent reluctance to distribute the vaccine to the people of NY after it is approved by the FDA.  Trump simply pointed out that the vaccine has a limited shelf life.  It has to be given within that timeframe.  There would be no point in sending it to NY (and depriving others of the vaccine) if Cuomo has no intent to distribute it.

Why do you continue to support a "f*cking moron" who suggested that we inject disinfectant in our lungs to clean out the virus? The only drug Drumpf knows anything about is Adderall, otherwise, he knows jack spombleprofglidnoctobuns about vaccine development. He's a goddamned anti-vaxxer for cripe sakes. For decades he claimed vaccines caused autism. He still thinks the cure for Covid is hydroxychloroquine, probably because he owns stock in it. He still blames Pfizer (and others) for withholding the test results of their vaccine until after the election as part of the Dem coup.

Operation Warp Speed was about placing an advance-purchase order to Pfizer to manufacture 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. Pfizer and others were already developing vaccines, which they all developed at warp speed. Do you really think Drumpf had anything to do with that? Of course not. The rapid development of several vaccines is due to China's early distribution of the genome of the virus. It is very suspicious that China had mapped out the genome at warp speed. I suppose you think Drumpf had something to do with that as well.

You need to accept and get over that the grifter in chief lost the election. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

[Rick Plant]

Right wingers still use bogus propaganda and disinformation to attack Democrats on COVID-19 when this virus is non political. Also, the disaster is coming from red states who have Trump stooges as Governors.

Let's compare Texas vs New York

Current active cases

Texas:       1,172,107
New York: 628,220

Deaths today (so far)

Texas:       133
New York:  27     

New cases today

Texas:       10,888
New York: 3,347   

So, we can see Texas is leading the nation in active cases, new cases, and deaths. New York has one of the lowest death rate and new cases currently in the nation.

We can see that masks and lockdowns worked to control the spread of the virus while states like Texas are being ravaged by deaths and infection.

More than 130 Texas counties are currently at COVID-19 risk 'tipping point,' data shows

In July, experts created a color-coded risk level map for COVID-19. Current data shows dozens of Texas counties are at the highest level
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-covid19-cases-harvard-risk-level-red-tipping-point/269-40083c7a-f907-412e-a397-30b801619095

El Paso County officials plead for more morgue workers as coronavirus fatalities climb

The request comes as the county has used low-level offenders from the county jail to help transport bodies and as officials await a response from the Texas National Guard.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/19/el-paso-coronavirus-workers/

[Michael T. Griffith]

I hate to be the bearer of more good news about COVID-19, since I know liberals prefer to wallow in baseless panic over the virus, but here are more numbers that prove that the virus poses a minimal risk to most Americans.

If New York City (NYC), with its population of 8.4 million, were a state, it would be the 13th most populated state and the most densely populated state in the country. So let us look at NYC’s COVID-19 numbers to see if they tell us anything about how we should be responding to the virus. NYC’s numbers are further proof that one-size-fits-all lockdowns are unscientific and unjustified.

The age groups are the groups used by NYC’s health department. Also, NYC’s health department does its case numbers and its age-group case and death rates in increments of the rate per 100,000 people, but you’ll still easily get the picture.

All Ages
Cases: 277,558
Deaths: 24,202
Death rate: 8.72%
Survival Rate: 91.28%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 2,564 per 100,000
Deaths: 19
Death rate: 1.1 per 100,000
Survival rate: 99,999.9 per 100,000

Ages 18-24
Cases: 2,790 per 100,000
Deaths: 44
Death rate: 2.49 per 100,000
Survival Rate: 99,997.51 per 100,000

Ages 25-34
Cases: 3,242 per 100,000
Deaths: 228
Death rate: 12.94 per 100,000
Survival Rate: 99,987.06 per 100,000

Ages 35-44
Cases: 3,841 per 100,000
Deaths: 623
Death rate: 46.09 per 100,000
Survival Rate: 99,953.91 per 100,000

Ages 45-54
Cases: 4,483 per 100,000
Deaths: 1,618
Death rate: 126.93 per 100,000
Survival Rate: 99,873.07 per 100,000

Ages 55-64
Cases: 4,483 per 100,000
Deaths: 3,756
Death rate: 306.43 per 100,000
Survival Rate: 99,693.57 per 100,000

Ages 65-74
Cases: 4,275 per 100,000
Deaths: 5,805
Death rate: 670.01 per 100,000
Survival Rate: 99,329.99 per 100,000

Ages 75-100
Cases: 4,956 per 100,000
Deaths: 12,092
Death rate: 1,705.45 per 100,000
Survival Rate: 98,294.55 per 100,000

Notice that ages 65-74 and 75-100 account for 17,897 of NYC’s 24,202 COVID-19 deaths, or 73.95% of those deaths. So why are we not focusing our restrictions on those two age groups instead of imposing them on everyone? Why are we closing schools when children are far less likely to die from COVID-19 than they are from the common flu? We don’t close schools during flu season, so why should we close them because of COVID-19 when the risk from COVID-19 is far lower than the risk from the flu? If there are teachers in their sixties, they can take extra precautions when they’re around students or other teachers.

Notice also that NYC’s numbers debunk the myth that teens and college-aged kids are “super spreaders.” The super spreaders are people aged 45-100. People aged 0-24 are far less likely to catch the virus than older groups and therefore are the age group that is least likely to spread the virus. You can’t spread it if you don’t have it.

If you want to confirm the above numbers, here’s the link to the NYC health department’s website:

COVID-19: Data Totals - NYC Health

[Richard Smith]

Why do you continue to support a "f*cking moron" who suggested that we inject disinfectant in our lungs to clean out the virus? The only drug Drumpf knows anything about is Adderall, otherwise, he knows jack spombleprofglidnoctobuns about vaccine development. He's a goddamned anti-vaxxer for cripe sakes. For decades he claimed vaccines caused autism. He still thinks the cure for Covid is hydroxychloroquine, probably because he owns stock in it. He still blames Pfizer (and others) for withholding the test results of their vaccine until after the election as part of the Dem coup.

Operation Warp Speed was about placing an advance-purchase order to Pfizer to manufacture 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. Pfizer and others were already developing vaccines, which they all developed at warp speed. Do you really think Drumpf had anything to do with that? Of course not. The rapid development of several vaccines is due to China's early distribution of the genome of the virus. It is very suspicious that China had mapped out the genome at warp speed. I suppose you think Drumpf had something to do with that as well.

You need to accept and get over that the grifter in chief lost the election. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Just an outrageous serious of lies.

From the NY Times:

The United States government provided $1 billion in support for the design and testing of the Moderna vaccine. Researchers at the National Institutes of Health oversaw much of the research, including the clinical trials. Moderna also received an additional $1.5 billion in exchange for 100 million doses if the vaccine proved to be safe and effective.

[Martin Weidmann]

Just an outrageous serious of lies.

From the NY Times:

The United States government provided $1 billion in support for the design and testing of the Moderna vaccine. Researchers at the National Institutes of Health oversaw much of the research, including the clinical trials. Moderna also received an additional $1.5 billion in exchange for 100 million doses if the vaccine proved to be safe and effective.

So what?  The Government providing funds for the development of a vaccine and placing an advance order does not mean that Trump gets the credit for the creation of the vaccine. The American Government wasn't the only one doing that. Most European countries did the same. None of their leaders is desperately trying to claim the credit. The only one doing that is the narcissist in the White House.

The denial continues.....

[Michael T. Griffith]

So what?  The Government providing funds for the development of a vaccine and placing an advance order does not mean that Trump gets the credit for the creation of the vaccine. The American Government wasn't the only one doing that. Most European countries did the same. None of their leaders is desperately trying to claim the credit. The only one doing that is the narcissist in the White House.

Gosh, imagine that! A President taking credit for something that happened on his watch, something that he strongly urged and encouraged, and something that he facilitated by ordering the FDA to wave most of the senseless regulations that usually delay a drug's development and distribution by 1-5 years! Scandal! "Narcissism"!

He's never said he's the one who developed the vaccines, only that he deserves credit for pushing along the process, an entirely valid point.

And let's remember that when Trump said in October that a vaccine was just about ready and would be distributed early next year, Biden and Harris and other Democrats mocked, scoffed, and howled.

[Martin Weidmann]

Gosh, imagine that! A President taking credit for something that happened on his watch, something that he strongly urged and encouraged, and something that he facilitated by ordering the FDA to wave most of the senseless regulations that usually delay a drug's development and distribution by 1-5 years! Scandal! "Narcissism"!

He's never said he's the one who developed the vaccines, only that he deserves credit for pushing along the process, an entirely valid point.

And let's remember that when Trump said in October that a vaccine was just about ready and would be distributed early next year, Biden and Harris and other Democrats mocked, scoffed, and howled.

A President taking credit for something that happened on his watch, something that he strongly urged and encouraged, and something that he facilitated by ordering the FDA to wave most of the senseless regulations that usually delay a drug's development and distribution by 1-5 years! Scandal! "Narcissism"!

Yes, it is narcissism. You don't ask for credit for simply doing (for once) the job you were supposed to do. This is the same guy who basically begged to be given a Nobel Prize. It's pathetic and shameless. European leaders also did their job and did the same things Trump did. None of them have claimed credit for it.

He's never said he's the one who developed the vaccines, only that he deserves credit for pushing along the process, an entirely valid point.

Wrong the cronies around him wanted him to get the credit for the development of the vaccine. Stop trying to rewrite history.

And let's remember that when Trump said in October that a vaccine was just about ready and would be distributed early next year, Biden and Harris and other Democrats mocked, scoffed, and howled.

By October he had lost all credibility after claiming in March that the virus would disappear by itself. Even if somebody makes false promises all the time, there is always a possibility that one promise actually turns out to be correct. But let's wait and see what really happens, as the companies are saying the vaccine distribution will likely not be before summer 2021.