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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2616 on: November 25, 2020, 05:27:04 AM »
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“There Is No Communication, No Emails, Nobody Called”: How the Delayed Transition Kneecapped Biden’s COVID Task Force

With a presidential transition finally, technically underway, Joe Biden’s pandemic task force has the battle of its life ahead of it—and over two weeks of delays have only further complicated matters

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/how-the-delayed-transition-kneecapped-bidens-covid-task-force

President-Elect Joe Biden’s COVID-19 task force has waited weeks in a postelection cone of silence, unable to talk to government counterparts while pandemic cases skyrocket, as a previously obscure bureaucrat at the General Services Administration, Emily Murphy, essentially held vaccine-distribution planning hostage. She refused to take the technical step of “ascertaining” a Biden win, which would allow the outgoing administration to share plans with the incoming one.

Finally, yesterday afternoon, Murphy gave President-elect Biden “ascertainment” of what has been clear for weeks: that he was the apparent winner of the presidential election. In a petulant letter to “Mr. Biden,” she said that she, her family, and even her pets had received many threats, “in an effort to coerce me into making this determination prematurely.”

With Murphy’s certification, the easy part is over. Now, over two weeks late, comes the most consequential executive transition in modern American history, as the nation barrels into another deadly month battling the COVID-19 pandemic with cases skyrocketing.

The Trump administration failed to launch a national testing plan for COVID-19, which led us to miles-long lines of idling cars, with desperate drivers waiting to get their noses swabbed. Nor did it have an ongoing national strategy for maintaining a stockpile of protective equipment, forcing nurses to reuse potentially virus-saturated face masks. Nor did it have consistent national messaging, as it airdropped dubious testing guidance onto the website of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in a remarkable act of political interference.

But apparently it has well-oiled plans to distribute a COVID-19 vaccine to hundreds of millions of Americans. “Operation Warp Speed has very detailed plans (and has been collaborating) with each state,” a senior administration official told Vanity Fair. “Operation Warp Speed is all over it.”

That remains to be seen. And as the transition crisis intensified, a thought began to occur to at least one member of Biden’s COVID task force: Maybe Operation Warp Speed had been booby-trapped, and a plan had essentially been hatched to make timely vaccine distribution all but impossible. That would leave President Trump with the victory of overseeing its successful development, and an incoming President Biden with the failure to distribute it.

“I don’t want to believe that,” a Biden task force member told Vanity Fair. But he added that the “intentional delay…handicaps the team coming in” and will cost American lives. “I can’t imagine how horrified the average American feels… watching on TV that these games are being played by the Trump administration, and not letting the Biden team be best prepared to save their lives.”

Those within the government’s health agencies have been no happier with the administration’s vow of silence. One official within the Department of Health and Human Services described the inability to pass along information as “scary.” Another said, “There is no communication, no emails, nobody called. Our transition books have not left our hands. Silence.”

Biden's COVID-19 task force is about to discover what sort of lacunae exist between the Operation Warp Speed plans exhibited in glossy charts in the Rose Garden and the real-world complexity of getting delicate COVID-19 vaccines from manufacturing plants and into patients’ arms. One major concern of the task force is whether plans have been developed to get the vaccine to medically underserved communities, which Biden has pledged to do.

If there is a Murphy’s Law, of sorts, to distributing a COVID-19 vaccine—in which everything that can go wrong will—the delay in ascertainment could haunt the rollout. Three people familiar with the work of Biden’s task force enumerated the challenges it is facing.

There could be as many as four different COVID-19 vaccines, each of which needs to be stored, handled, and dosed differently, with different timing for follow-up doses. Anyone who transports, receives, stores, or administers a vaccine needs to be trained. With medical staff exhausted, and short on PPE, how will they be trained, and how will they administer it? With only 20 million doses at first, who will receive it? How will individuals know if they’re part of a high-risk group that can cut to the front of the line?

“We have to know what the plan is,” said the task force member. “Everyone along the way has to be trained on the plan.” Even if all that goes swimmingly, you “have to have a person who wants to take it.” On that count, the branding has not helped. The name Warp Speed “has not been an appealing word for a lot of people,” said the task force member, as it has stirred concerns that the development has been “recklessly fast.”

Among African American men, as well as marginalized communities of refugees, immigrants, and migrants, there is “high distrust of the vaccine,” said one Biden transition adviser. “That’s a barrier as big as having no vaccine at all.”

The vaccine has “a lot of P.R. problems,” said Michael Einhorn, the president of Dealmed, a medical supply company that distributes vaccines.

"How the distribution will get to underserved communities and if the historic mistrust communities of color have around vaccines can be overcome is an important question that needs to be addressed,” said an advocate working with the FDA to improve public confidence in a COVID-19 vaccine.

A concerted public-education campaign should have begun months ago, said the task force member. “You need to have the messengers with the right message, and the right language, and the right cultural language.”

To date, Operation Warp Speed has unrolled with a great deal of bluster but less transparency, run by an executive board of five officials, including President Trump’s son-in-law and special adviser, Jared Kushner, and his college roommate. “What I am hearing again is a lot of confidence: ‘We got this, no problem. It’s all figured out,’” said the Biden task force member.

But as we stand at the cusp of the most complex mass-vaccination campaign in human history, it is worth remembering Kushner’s premature boast last April on Fox News that “the federal government rose to the challenge” of a COVID-19 response, “and this is a great success story.”

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2616 on: November 25, 2020, 05:27:04 AM »


Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2617 on: November 25, 2020, 06:01:38 AM »
In the UK, as you may or may not know,Johnson introduced an "eat out to help out" scheme. Meaning in all participating restaurants you could get up to £10 off your meal. In other words a free food stampede after the lockdown. Then surprise surprise a second wave hit the UK. The death toll is worse in terms of deaths per 100,000 than in the US. I mean that's obviously not the full story but it certainly sped up the second wave.

I heard about that. Almost similar to the movie theatre disaster in Texas. Customers could get into the movies for $5 a ticket and $1 dollar sodas. People packed the theatres and it was no surprise they had a big outbreak which started the explosion. These people still can't understand that they can't do the things they want to do during a deadly pandemic. When elected official impose rules or lockdowns, right wingers start crying and then attack them for trying to save lives wanting to stop the spread of COVID. These people are absolutely nuts.

The reason New Zealand had success is because of strong leadership and commitment from the citizens to follow the orders.

Over here, we have a bunch of ignorant morons who refuse to follow orders and they keep spreading the virus so it can't be contained. If they all would have worn masks and locked down for 8 weeks COVID-19 would have been pretty much under control. But what happened? As each state witnessed great results because of the lockdowns, Donald Trump and the right wing media started demanding the states to open because they thought it would boost the economy enough to get him elected. It was all about himself and he didn't care about saving lives. So, states opened prematurely before the virus was even under control and before it was deemed safe under their own COVID Task Force reopening 3 phase plan. Only 1 state had met the protocols to safely open. All the others didn't. So, states did what right wingers wanted, they opened up restaurants, schools, and other places of business and now we have COVID-19 exploding out of control to where it's worse now than it was in March. And we have the same idiots crying now that were crying before, because states are forced to lockdown again. All that wasted time over 8 months and it is worse just like top medical experts and Democrats warned it would be. Failed lack of leadership and idiotic Republicans gave us this disaster.                     

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2618 on: November 25, 2020, 06:23:49 AM »
Almost every state is at a record high level of cases.  There is no discernable difference between those states with a mask mandate and those without.  If the masks were as effective as touted by Old Joe, then the case numbers would not be skyrocketing in places like NY, Cal and PA where mask mandates have been in place for months.  It is just common sense.  The mask is not the solution.  That myth was a politically driven exaggeration due to Trump's reluctance to wear one.  In fact, if masks are giving people a false sense of security to go about their lives as normal, they may actually be contributing to the rising case numbers by encouraging them to out into public areas.  The Trump vaccine is the only solution.  It is coming soon.  And so is 2024.

FYI, right wingers in those states refuse to wear masks and keep the virus spreading.

Once again, let's look at the numbers so we can see what a disaster Texas is under the weak and failed lack of leadership of Trump stooge Greg Abbott.

Tuesday's COVID numbers

Texas:       19,790 new infections
New York: 5,478 new infections

Texas:       195 new deaths
New York: 34 new deaths 

Texas is a COVID-19 disaster where New York isn't even close to those disastrous numbers.


Here is right wing Indiana which had MORE new infections and deaths than New York

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Indiana: 5,635 new infections and 103 deaths

North Dakota with their small population had 37 deaths yesterday which is 3 MORE than New York.

So, New York with mandates is doing great compared to right wing red states that have no mandates.

Texas is leading the nation in new deaths and new infections because they have a right wing Trump stooge.

Those are the facts.   

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2619 on: November 25, 2020, 09:37:24 AM »
Tomorrow, President Trump and Giuliani is travelling to Pennsylvania to meet with Republican lawmakers. I assume to encourage them to set aside the popular vote and have the state legislature appoint its own slate for the Electoral College. And where will this meeting take place. Why on the sacred ground of Gettysburg, of course. I guess he will deliver the second Gettysburg Address.

Of all the freaking places he could choose to influence them, he chooses Gettysburg.

“Now we are engaged in a great election dispute, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.”

Not much longer, if Trump has his way.

Although, being a Giants fan, I wouldn’t mind seeing black and orange dye running down their faces after they work themselves up a bit.


God, this is getting surreal. First, he invites state legislators from Michigan, to feel them out about setting aside the votes and appointing their own slate for the Electoral College. And where does this attempt take place? Why in the Oval Office, of course. And where should the second attempt take place? Why at Gettysburg, of course. America is becoming the laughing stock of the world.

What’s next? Trump at the Lincoln Memorial stating that he has a dream, of serving a second term?
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2620 on: November 25, 2020, 11:10:00 AM »
Looks like a giant grift has finally been recognised in the Republican Party. Is this meeting at Gettysburg Landscape and Gardening?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2621 on: November 25, 2020, 02:47:23 PM »
Tomorrow, President Trump and Giuliani is travelling to Pennsylvania to meet with Republican lawmakers. I assume to encourage them to set aside the popular vote and have the state legislature appoint its own slate for the Electoral College. And where will this meeting take place. Why on the sacred ground of Gettysburg, of course. I guess he will deliver the second Gettysburg Address.

Of all the freaking places he could choose to influence them, he chooses Gettysburg.

“Now we are engaged in a great election dispute, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.”

Not much longer, if Trump has his way.

Although, being a Giants fan, I wouldn’t mind seeing black and orange dye running down their faces after they work themselves up a bit.


God, this is getting surreal. First, he invites state legislators from Michigan, to feel them out about setting aside the votes and appointing their own slate for the Electoral College. And where does this attempt take place? Why in the Oval Office, of course. And where should the second attempt take place? Why at Gettysburg, of course. America is becoming the laughing stock of the world.

What’s next? Trump at the Lincoln Memorial stating that he has a dream, of serving a second term?

This is setting the stage for 2024.  Trump ends his administration with the stock market at record highs, a vaccine being distributed to end the virus, and a cloud over the election results.  Enter Old Joe and his cast of do nothing misfits for four years and the narrative couldn't be more perfect for 2024.  And there were problems with the mail in voting system that was put in place at the last minute.  If that can be improved upon, then all the better.  Trump doesn't have any expectation that he will change the results this time.  This is all about future elections.     

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2622 on: November 25, 2020, 06:11:39 PM »
This is setting the stage for 2024.  Trump ends his administration with the stock market at record highs, a vaccine being distributed to end the virus, and a cloud over the election results.  Enter Old Joe and his cast of do nothing misfits for four years and the narrative couldn't be more perfect for 2024.  And there were problems with the mail in voting system that was put in place at the last minute.  If that can be improved upon, then all the better.  Trump doesn't have any expectation that he will change the results this time.  This is all about future elections.   

Trump ends his administration with the stock market at record highs

Indeed, the market is getting more confident now that they know Biden is going to be President.

Still over 700.000 new employment benefit applications, though. The recovery of the economy is going to take some time.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2623 on: November 25, 2020, 09:51:20 PM »
Trump ends his administration with the stock market at record highs

Indeed, the market is getting more confident now that they know Biden is going to be President.

Still over 700.000 new employment benefit applications, though. The recovery of the economy is going to take some time.

Wrong.  The market bounce is based primarily on two factors:  1) the imminent distribution of the Trump vaccine; and 2) no blue wave in the recent election (repubs gained rather than lost seats).  It has nothing to do with Old Joe and his idea that everyone should wear a mask.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2623 on: November 25, 2020, 09:51:20 PM »