Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Joe Elliott]

We all knew the scam Donnie and his GOP thugs were going to push to steal the election since the middle of the Summer. They all knew they were going to lose the election, so their goal was to push a phony "voter fraud" claim and attempt to overturn the election results in courts with their own handpicked right wing judges.

Yep. I think that was the backup plan all along. The handpicked judges showed integrity that surprised Trump. I don’t think Trump understands what integrity is so their “betrayal” totally blindsided him.

Joe Biden won the election and they went right to the courts with their bogus lawsuits like we all knew they were going to. Their bogus lawsuits were heard in front of their own right wing judges and were ALL rejected. There was ZERO evidence of any voter fraud. The Supreme Court rejected him twice. If they had any evidence at all the judges would have ruled in their favor. All it was, is bogus conspiracy theories and the asinine claim that "we don't like the results and you need to let us win".     

Yes. It was a bad omen when their ‘A’ Team bailed out in the first week when they saw how weak a case Trump had. The ‘B’ Team had hair dye malfunctions, public calls for murder against potential hostile witnesses, errors in filing that triggered automatic dismissal of cases. I have never seen anything like this.

States mailed absentee ballots to residents homes, they filled out the ballot, mailed it, or put it in a drop box. There was NO voter fraud. Oregon strictly votes by mail and they have no trouble with votes.

Yes. And Wisconsin has used the same absentee ballot system since 2010, including 2016 when Trump won the state. But now, suddenly, as soon as he loses the state, the same system that worked fine in 2016 is unconstitutional in 2020, so the judges have to invalidate it, and appoint a Trump slate. The judges said this type of lawsuit has to be made before the election, not afterward. After the election, you have to live with it.

The Anti American GOP traitors wanted to create the illusion of "voter fraud" using banana republic dictatorship tactics to stay in power and they failed miserably.         

Yes. And made Americans lose trust in democracy. I wonder if there are some Republican poll workers who are considering helping steal back the presidency in 2024.

Worst President ever. Not even close. I hope our true Presidents, Carter, Clinton, Bush and Obama, never allow themselves to be photographed with him again. And for Biden, only on January 20, if Trump shows up. Never treat him with the respect they give to each other. Trump is a true traitor.

[Allan Fritzke]

I haven’t been following Richard Smith’s post too carefully, but I get the impression he is not a 2020 Election CTer. We do have posters here who push the idea that the 2020 Presidential Election was stolen. I know of Michael T. Griffith and Allan Fritzke. Both of whom happen to be JFK CTers. Which fits my hypothesis, that if a person believes in one Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy, he is more likely to believe in others.

Richard Smith is obviously a big fan of Trump. While I have been a Republican all my life (this may soon change) I never liked Trump. I don’t see the appeal in him. So, I greatly disagree with Richard about some things. But while Richard praises Trump and his accomplishments, I haven’t seen him push the notion that the election was stolen from Trump. Although, I have not read every post in this thread which contains over a thousand posts.

If someone knows of a LNer who not just likes Trump but believes the election was stolen from him, I would be curious if someone can provide a list of such names. Such a person would most certainly be a believer in at least some Large-Secret-Enduring conspiracies. I would not be surprised if there is not such LNer at this forum.

Here is the proof of DVS machine manipulation you were waiting for.  Read the report - unfortunately that might be above your pay grade.  I will pull out of a few of the hi-lights for ya!

https://www.scribd.com/document/488105156/Antrim-County-Forensics-Report-on-Dominion-Voting-System

Page 18 of the report:

A high "error rate" in the election software (in this case 68.05%) reflects an algorithm used that will weight one candidate greater than another (for instance, weight a specific candidate at a 2/3 to approximately 1/3 ratio). In the logs we identified that the RCV or Ranked Choice Voting Algorithm was enabled (see image below from the Dominion manual). This allows the user to apply a weighted numerical value to candidates and change the overall result. The declaration of winners can be done on a basis of points, not votes.

This software was used before in Venezuela and has this "Ranked Choice Voting" Algorithm (RCV for short) built-in to tamper with the election!  Cheating was built in by Chavez  and is still there!  Smartmatic originated in Venezuela and Lord Malloch-Brown (CEO) and tied directly to George Soros own the software rights and sold them to DVS.  Again, DVS and Tides Canada (now called MakeWay)  shared the same office floor in a small building in Chinatown Toronto and just recently moved out - wonder why!  (Soros is well known for his Open Society Organization and Malloch-Brown has just left Smartmatic to become President there this month!  (On an aside note, notice possible connection of director FBI Comey on HSBC board (money laundering Hong Kong Bank) and Malloch-Brown in the UN and his World Bank Connection -both involved in international global money rackets.)  The software was left wide open, no tracing and common passwords were used.  Votes could be "adjudicated" at any time by anyone connected even by the internet which may have been why voting stopped like it did in other rigged elections before!   
 
https://www.rebelnews.com/dominion_voting_shares_office_with_far_left_george_soros_linked_group


Here is another good one where people thought they were smart and tried to erase the election data!  From pages 20 to 21 of the report!  Why and what did they attempt to hide?  Maniupulation perhaps?   Election results are to be kept unaltered for 24 months.

We reviewed the Election Management System logs (EmsLogger) in their entirety from 9/19/2020 through 11/21/2020 for the Project: Antrim November 2020. There were configuration errors throughout the set-up, election and tabulation of results. The last error for Central Lake Township, Precinct 1 occurred on 11/21/2020 at 14:35:11 System.Xml.XmlException System.Xml.XmlException: The ' ' character, hexadecimal value 0x20, cannot be included in a name. Bottom line is that this is a calibration that rejects the vote (see picture below).

 Notably 42 minutes earlier on Nov 21 2020 at 13:53:09 a user attempted to zero out election results. Id:3168 EmsLogger - There is no permission to {0} - Project: User: Thread: 189. This is direct proof of an attempt to tamper with evidence.

Continuing on on page 21, someone from DVS updated new programming change from 10/23/2020 to 11/05/2020 which is NOT ALLOWED but for some mysterious reason happened!  This means someone is involved at the top (DVS, Smartmatic or someone who wants to control this election?)

9. The Election Event Designer Log shows that Dominion ImageCast Precinct Cards were programmed with updated new programming on 10/23/2020 and again after the election on 11/05/2020. As previously mentioned, this violates the HAVA safe harbor period. Source: C:\Program Files\Dominion Voting Systems\Election Event Designer\Log\Info.txt
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 Dominion Imagecast Precinct Cards Programmed with 9/25/2020 programming on 09/29/2020, 09/30/2020, and 10/12/2020.
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 Dominion Imagecast Precinct Cards Programmed with New Ballot Programming dated 10/22/2020 on 10/23/2020 and after the election on 11/05/2020 Excerpt from 2020-11-05 showing “ProgramMemoryCard” commands.

I wonder if the update on 11/05/2020 coincided with Biden finally overtaking Trump?   As I said,  Trump or Biden, the election needs to pass an integrity test.  This election did not.  It is okay to have mail in ballots as well.  However signatures need to be matched and proven in order to validate those ballots.  I guess the judge should just throw out all this information and call it a done deal!  The ultimate litmus test would be to take all those mail in votes and see how many of them have folds on then and compare to machine tally.   That would be too easy if you went back and looked at the actual real ballots - rather than just "recount" the fake ones!  You better pray for election integrity because the use of this tool is throwing the system into oligarchy which I assume is just now being uncovered but involves all the major families of the world including the Royals!

Oligarchy, government by the few, especially despotic power exercised by a small and privileged group for corrupt or selfish purposes. Oligarchies in which members of the ruling group are wealthy or exercise their power through their wealth are known as plutocracies.

[Colin Crow]

Answer which of your questions. You mean this question?

I already answered this question. And I will answer it again.

Those who believe in a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy are LSE-CTers.

Those who believe in a Small-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy are SSE-Cters.

And in the JFK assassination case, those who don’t believe there was any conspiracy are LNers.

And, again, I don’t think there are any real JFK SSE-CTers. I think all JFK CTers are LSE-CTers.

No, it was a few pages back.

[Richard Smith]

Under this fraudulent traitor we have over 300,000 dead Americans.

B.enedict Donald had nothing to do with the vaccine. Pfizer made that perfectly clear but you continuously choose to post disinformation. The orange fraud called COVID a "hoax" so you giving him false credit is an absolute joke.

Yes, those masks and lockdowns the dems touted as a solution were a disaster.  Thankfully President Trump never fell for those false claims but placed all the resources of the federal government behind the development of a real solution - the vaccine.  Magnificent.   All the naysayers in the media and libs said it couldn't be done so quickly.  And the Moderna vaccine is coming this week.  Or as it will be known in the history books - The Trump Vaccine II.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

So much of this thread typifies what's wrong with politics in America. We have "Team A" and "Team "B" or my tribe and your tribe and everything is viewed through that. Sure, we've always had that type of tribalism. But it's gotten worse. The two sides view each other not as people who are wrong but who are fellow Americans who are worthy of living with but people who are bad who must destroyed.

Trump is all evil or all good. And opposition to Trump is all good or all evil. No shades of gray, just these absolutes.

Trump was an awful president, a person uniquely unsuited for the presidency. It was always about him, his ego, his name. It was as if he thought he was running a business, a product to sell. His personal attacks on people and critics, his unwillingness to listen to criticism, his inability to see things other than a transaction to benefit from was simply unacceptable. It always about him and nothing else. The nation's interest was secondary. He did some good things - the Middle East peace agreements he's managed are enormously good; but a lot of bad. He had to go.

But he wasn't a dictator, he wasn't a Hitler. If he really wanted to be a dictator he would have used the pandemic crisis to consolidate power. That's what dictators do: they use a crisis to attain power. Reichstag Fire anyone? And he's been smeared for four years. This Russian collusion conspiracy theory is nonsense. There was no collusion. It didn't happen. Apparently that conspiracy theory is okay because Trump is so awful. Sorry, it's not.

Biden is a terribly flawed president. He's clearly showing signs of age. He's never been on top of issues. On foreign policy he has always been wrong. On domestic issues he's been someone with little vision. But he's a decent man, he's not a mean person. And in a contest between him and Trump the choice is obvious. To me.

So we have to move on. Biden is the legitimate president. When he's right we need to support him; when he's wrong we need to tell him so. But this "my tribe good and their tribe is evil" thinking has to end. There are no tribes, there are no teams: there's just Americans.

[Allan Fritzke]

Under this fraudulent traitor we have over 300,000 dead Americans.

B.enedict Donald had nothing to do with the vaccine. Pfizer made that perfectly clear but you continuously choose to post disinformation. The orange fraud called COVID a "hoax" so you giving him false credit is an absolute joke.

Put the death rate in its proper perspective.  So COVID-19 is responsible for 300,000 deaths in 2020.  We are told  that underlying conditions were a factor as well but COVID was ultimately responsible.    However standalone COVID should show up in the statistics overall for 2020.    Were there any deaths this year due to normal flu?   A lot of elderly people die of pneumonia but they also battle congestive heart failure at the same time.  So what do you write down on the death certificate,  pneumonia or heart disease?   

Look at the stats.  Soon we can do a check and see how much COVID influenced the overall death rate by statistics for this year.   Assume COVID starts at Jan 1, 2020 and ends up being 300k this year.   (If we wait until the end of December, we can update that number as well!)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

2018 data states that 2,839,205 people died of all causes.   Population of US for 2018 = 327,096,263  So normally 7800 people die every day before COVID.

Lets add 300,000 for COVID deaths to the total "normal" number and leave population  as it was in 2018.  We shall expect that the death rate in the US is now going to be 8600 people dying every day (combining statistics) in a simplified manner because of the seriousness of the COVID pandemic that is going across the land.   

However we know that a lot of these deaths were in the elderly and that COVID influenced the underlying conditions present.   The MSM is telling us the pandemic created 300,000 more deaths than normal.    The question to answer is.... Is this 300,000 deaths a propaganda number or will overall death rate go up by that amount and become 8600 deaths daily.      Was this a bad flu or is it a real pandemic?  The flu statistics are included in the death rate in the 2018 statistics.    It is like looking at mail in voting fraud, matching signatures in ballots and then finding out that the ballots being counted do not have creases on them because they weren't mail in at all!   

Was this COVID flu politicized and to what extent?   We know that some years have a greater amount of deaths due to flu - it is a variable.  Media won't investigate and report all the aspects - maybe statistics will prove more deaths.  It could be subjective and a trade off when you consider lockdowns might create higher suicide rates, depressive rampages and lessen diagnosed cancers and heart disease which will cause increased deaths too.  I believe statistics are now telling you heart attacks are not killing people like before - being falsely replaced by the COVID.  I guess lockdowns are healthier for you  - no sense getting out and jogging or doing physical activity anymore to increase your heart health!  Wherein lies the truth behind what is being played out as a pandemic?   It would be nice if the MSM would  give some researched data rather than continued hype and sensationalize the data.  Give the whole picture and some perspective instead.

We have doctors now saying that ND and SD are reaching herd immunity.  The people exposed to the virus are 40 to 50 times the actual reported positive because that statistically is how it works.  There is also a 50% false positive rate and error in testing which goes unreported.    What has been tested and its relationship to the real population infection rate.   There is a need to protect the elderly with underlying circumstances where certainly death rates for things like flu does increase with age and vaccines are helpful.  The jury is still out and there are medical studies that discuss the effectiveness of wearing masks, indoor and outdoor dining and 6 ft social distancing.  Maybe one shouldn't even be in the same room as someone sick with a cold or flu as you might catch it, mask or not, 6 ft or not!  Maybe someone should look at the Science and the research done from all aspects!   That goes unreported and unimportant for the peasants to know.

[Rick Plant]

Here is the proof of DVS machine manipulation you were waiting for.  Read the report - unfortunately that might be above your pay grade.  I will pull out of a few of the hi-lights for ya!

https://www.scribd.com/document/488105156/Antrim-County-Forensics-Report-on-Dominion-Voting-System

Page 18 of the report:
This software was used before in Venezuela and has this "Ranked Choice Voting" Algorithm (RCV for short) built-in to tamper with the election!  Cheating was built in by Chavez  and is still there!  Smartmatic originated in Venezuela and Lord Malloch-Brown (CEO) and tied directly to George Soros own the software rights and sold them to DVS.  Again, DVS and Tides Canada (now called MakeWay)  shared the same office floor in a small building in Chinatown Toronto and just recently moved out - wonder why!  (Soros is well known for his Open Society Organization and Malloch-Brown has just left Smartmatic to become President there this month!  (On an aside note, notice possible connection of director FBI Comey on HSBC board (money laundering Hong Kong Bank) and Malloch-Brown in the UN and his World Bank Connection -both involved in international global money rackets.)  The software was left wide open, no tracing and common passwords were used.  Votes could be "adjudicated" at any time by anyone connected even by the internet which may have been why voting stopped like it did in other rigged elections before!   
 
https://www.rebelnews.com/dominion_voting_shares_office_with_far_left_george_soros_linked_group


Here is another good one where people thought they were smart and tried to erase the election data!  From pages 20 to 21 of the report!  Why and what did they attempt to hide?  Maniupulation perhaps?   Election results are to be kept unaltered for 24 months.
Continuing on on page 21, someone from DVS updated new programming change from 10/23/2020 to 11/05/2020 which is NOT ALLOWED but for some mysterious reason happened!  This means someone is involved at the top (DVS, Smartmatic or someone who wants to control this election?)

I wonder if the update on 11/05/2020 coincided with Biden finally overtaking Trump?   As I said,  Trump or Biden, the election needs to pass an integrity test.  This election did not.  It is okay to have mail in ballots as well.  However signatures need to be matched and proven in order to validate those ballots.  I guess the judge should just throw out all this information and call it a done deal!  The ultimate litmus test would be to take all those mail in votes and see how many of them have folds on then and compare to machine tally.   That would be too easy if you went back and looked at the actual real ballots - rather than just "recount" the fake ones!  You better pray for election integrity because the use of this tool is throwing the system into oligarchy which I assume is just now being uncovered but involves all the major families of the world including the Royals!

Oligarchy, government by the few, especially despotic power exercised by a small and privileged group for corrupt or selfish purposes. Oligarchies in which members of the ruling group are wealthy or exercise their power through their wealth are known as plutocracies.

 

More disinformation and propaganda. Republicans are in charge of Georgia and you think they wanted to help Biden win? 

Lame Duck Donald was losing in EVERY single poll against Biden from February to November. He never had a lead in any national poll. Georgia was always going to be close. All these bogus claims of voter fraud and not one right wing judge could see any evidence of so called "voter fraud" in any state.   

[Rick Plant]

Put the death rate in its proper perspective.  So COVID-19 is responsible for 300,000 deaths in 2020.  We are told  that underlying conditions were a factor as well but COVID was ultimately responsible.    However standalone COVID should show up in the statistics overall for 2020.    Were there any deaths this year due to normal flu?   A lot of elderly people die of pneumonia but they also battle congestive heart failure at the same time.  So what do you write down on the death certificate,  pneumonia or heart disease?   

Look at the stats.  Soon we can do a check and see how much COVID influenced the overall death rate by statistics for this year.   Assume COVID starts at Jan 1, 2020 and ends up being 300k this year.   (If we wait until the end of December, we can update that number as well!)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

2018 data states that 2,839,205 people died of all causes.   Population of US for 2018 = 327,096,263  So normally 7800 people die every day before COVID.

Lets add 300,000 for COVID deaths to the total "normal" number and leave population  as it was in 2018.  We shall expect that the death rate in the US is now going to be 8600 people dying every day (combining statistics) in a simplified manner because of the seriousness of the COVID pandemic that is going across the land.   

However we know that a lot of these deaths were in the elderly and that COVID influenced the underlying conditions present.   The MSM is telling us the pandemic created 300,000 more deaths than normal.    The question to answer is.... Is this 300,000 deaths a propaganda number or will overall death rate go up by that amount and become 8600 deaths daily.      Was this a bad flu or is it a real pandemic?  The flu statistics are included in the death rate in the 2018 statistics.    It is like looking at mail in voting fraud, matching signatures in ballots and then finding out that the ballots being counted do not have creases on them because they weren't mail in at all!   

Was this COVID flu politicized and to what extent?   We know that some years have a greater amount of deaths due to flu - it is a variable.  Media won't investigate and report all the aspects - maybe statistics will prove more deaths.  It could be subjective and a trade off when you consider lockdowns might create higher suicide rates, depressive rampages and lessen diagnosed cancers and heart disease which will cause increased deaths too.  I believe statistics are now telling you heart attacks are not killing people like before - being falsely replaced by the COVID.  I guess lockdowns are healthier for you  - no sense getting out and jogging or doing physical activity anymore to increase your heart health!  Wherein lies the truth behind what is being played out as a pandemic?   It would be nice if the MSM would  give some researched data rather than continued hype and sensationalize the data.  Give the whole picture and some perspective instead.

We have doctors now saying that ND and SD are reaching herd immunity.  The people exposed to the virus are 40 to 50 times the actual reported positive because that statistically is how it works.  There is also a 50% false positive rate and error in testing which goes unreported.    What has been tested and its relationship to the real population infection rate.   There is a need to protect the elderly with underlying circumstances where certainly death rates for things like flu does increase with age and vaccines are helpful.  The jury is still out and there are medical studies that discuss the effectiveness of wearing masks, indoor and outdoor dining and 6 ft social distancing.  Maybe one shouldn't even be in the same room as someone sick with a cold or flu as you might catch it, mask or not, 6 ft or not!  Maybe someone should look at the Science and the research done from all aspects!   That goes unreported and unimportant for the peasants to know.

 

Same old disinformation trying to downplay the seriousness of COVID-19 with bogus hypotheticals. Never fails with these conspiracy theorists and COVID deniers.