Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Rick Plant]

Interesting you keep on not wanting to examine the audit report made by experts and allowed by judge to examine the Dominion Voting Systems machines in Michigan where  it is written into the operator's manual how you can manipulate votes. You seem to quote all sorts of fake MSM outlets which don't even want to look at evidence uncovered.  I have introduced this in POST #2926 and Michael T. Griffiths again posted it in POST #2931 and you have given no reply to this hard evidence!  You just ignore it.


https://www.scribd.com/document/488105156/Antrim-County-Forensics-Report-on-Dominion-Voting-System
Page 18 of the report:
I guess you can't read posts and the expert reports contained that stated that the Ranked Choice Voting Algorithm is built into the software and you can read about it in their own manual.  These machines are not there just to count votes 1+1+1......   They were designed to alter votes like they did in Venezuela!

Thats okay. Like all the rest of the LNers, keep your ostrich head buried and don't examine evidence!   Your fact checking cronies have a lot to answer to and it isn't to the people that make up the country!    There is ample evidence that George Soros and his henchman Lord Malloch Brown have their hands in electronic voting systems, as do some prominent politicians in America.  Do the research -Wikipedia is a good place to start.   If you accept Vanity fair and Usatoday as truth checkers, surely you can accept Wikipedia as well!  How can you discount the flowchart below as it is presented as fact?  Here is a flowchart for ya to research:

https://www.fbcoverup.com/docs/library/Scrap-Electronic-Voting-Machines-NOW.pdf

Michael T Griffith's post is just as ridiculous as yours. There was zero evidence of any voter fraud. Every right wing judge tossed out each bogus lawsuit in court.   

[Rick Plant]

The hundreds of thousands of votes you are talking about were the mail in votes.  If you came in person and voted, you had to show your ID and prove that your were a citizen and where you lived.   On the other hand, this scrutiny was not done to the mail in votes.  They didn't even undergo signature verification.   So let us just throw them all out and assume for a moment that you would not expect any change in support for those that voted in person to those that voted with mail in?  IOn other words if in person voting was 60/40, would you not expect mail voting to be similar 60/40?   Was there ballot harvesting?   How were mail in ballots proven?  What would your outcome now become?  Did Biden still win?   Why would there be such a large discrepancy that only Biden voters mailed their ballots in and very few Trump did?  That is an anomaly that needs further scrutiny in those 4 states.

Furthermore, why was election counting halted?  Up until the halt, who was winning?

Again,  I say that there is widespread corruption and pay for play schemes on all sides of these parties.  No one party is innocent.  There have been accusations in Georgia that
Raffensperger had no requirement for mail in voting verification.  He avoided saying anything about that but mentioned that to obtain absentee ballots he put in place for the system a required electronic portal photo ID before you could have an absentee ballot issued.  Why was that?

There should be multi-million dollar lawsuits issued against Lin Wood for defamation of character.  If I was being slandered, like he is slandering Kemp and Raffensperger, I would get his butt sued off.   However, they would rather not go there and keep out the light instead!
https://thevirginiastar.com/2020/11/17/famed-attorney-lin-wood-blows-the-doors-off-alleged-georgia-vote-scam-predicts-new-election/

The system is so corrupt that the MSM is all part of it worldwide.  When was the last time you heard about politicians giving themselves pay raises?  When was the last time you heard a reporter call for government fiscal responsibility, balanced budge and an end to everlasting deficit spending?   When has there been an investigation of Hunter, James or Joe Biden?   Why is it off limits to ask Joe a tough question about his past dealings with Ukraine and China?    How are 1st Amendment rights involving free speech not being followed anymore.   News stories about Hunter Biden and his laptop were kept censored from social media platforms like Twitter and Facebook and the people not allowed to see?  How is that allowed?  Are not the peasants allowed to see all information and make their own opinion anymore as to what they want to believe and not believe?   This propaganda is worldwide and is being pushed by Soros Open Society Foundation.  The man in charge of Smartmatic, Lord Malloch Brown just took over Soros. Open Society Foundation.  From an election commandeer to the man in charge of an organization that addresses climate change and economic inequality. Where do you fit in? 

China is exploiting America's liberty and using it against them.   If Governments continue to spend without end, who will end up paying for it?   Money is based on paper, not gold and it will collapse.   There will have to be a system of communism/socialism which will have to take over because the indebtedness of the peasant will be called into play when he can't make a living, voice his opinion freely anymore or pay the tax burden placed on him!


Absolutely not.
1)  The abolishment of the 1st Amendment rights is the first indication of a rigged election.    When should censoring of news actually be allowed?   I think we all agree that maybe porn and swearing might be grounds to censor on.   However we have seen Dorsey (Twitter) and Zuckerberg (Facebook) deliberately keep people from posting their opinions and suspending their accounts. They have censored news items before election.   What gives these publishers the authority to censor news.   If you have both Democrats and Republicans having accounts,  are you being unbiased by withholding factual information?   Why has someone like Alex Jones been banned?  Is he not entertaining?   Why has youtube banned any videos showing possible election fraud - can't peasants make their own decisions?  They have become biased.    Why has it become necessary to keep people in the dark and from seeing both sides of a story?    That is election rigging.   What did they gain by doing this?   Are they getting some political appointees to Biden's close council in the process?

2)  The COVID crisis was a great way to create fear and shut down the economy, close small businesses, restaurants etc. and allow big business to take over.   Who is making the money now and who wants to prolong the crisis?  Follow the money.   Amazon, Microsoft,  Walmart, Costco and FedEx, pharmaceuticals  etc. and all the big corporations are making more money than ever since this all began.   If the election wasn't rigged, why are all these companies hellbent on putting their political donations into one basket - the Democratic party?    Again, we will see how many positions Biden will give in his cabinet to those in Wall Street and MSM and the others who have donated to him.  They have literally spent billion in order to see him win.  Using money as influence peddling should be a crime.   Maybe elections should have a maximum $10,000 donation limit to stop this corrupt process.  The more money you have, the more you get to play in the government is how it seems to work now.

3) COVID crisis once more.   If it did start in China, the Chinese allowed flights to the rest of the world from Wuhan while banning their own internal flights.    That is not right.  Furthermore a close examination of death rates must be looked at.  2018 statistics state that 7800 Americans die everyday from all illnesses.  We are now told that 300,000 have died in 2020 from COVID alone.  So we should expect that next year when looking back at the stats that 8700 Americans died everyday because it was a pandemic and not just a regular flu that normally kills the elderly.   MSM is once more hellbent to not report the average age of death of those dying.  What is it 78? 82?   No one reports.  However, fear is the key, masks and all.   Look at Sweden, they have reported less deaths and have never locked down once.    So taking it one step further,  we can now initiate mail in voting which has never been done before.  Many politicians in times past (including Democrats) have said you can never trust that process as it is susceptible to vote harvesting.    I would disagree and suffice it to say that it could be done legitimately.  However, you may need to base it on tax returns filed so that you have a database and can issue a mail in ballot accordingly.   Failing that, you need to make an in person declaration and register by presenting proof of citizenship and driver license ID and show up on election day at your proper polling place. Pretty simple system if you think about.

4) Follow the money and look at employment rates.   Mass shutdown of the middle class industry such as restaurants and small grocery stores has just occurred, what are these people supposed to do to make a living in the future?    The amount of money that is being thrown in by the plutocrats into the Democratic party is staggering.  Why have they done this?   Why is there so much partnering with China.   The Green New Deal gives a great deal for China and allows their economy to prosper and allows them virtually unlimited emissions and at same time World Economic Forum is calling for a Great Reset to occur in 2021.  Why does a Paris Accord have different pollution standards and not call on China to operate under exact same rules as American companies?  The Chinese are already a world power with incredible amounts of wealth, labor and making and making copies of just about everything in the world these days.   If Apple, Microsoft, Amazon and Disney and Joe Biden (lol) want to make more money, they look at China as a great lucrative market and a source of cheap electronics, goods and labor.  Why is there not some sort of divisions in funding between Democrat and Republican by the plutocrats?  What do they have to gain by supporting only one party and why?    That bias and big money should make you question and think about the possibility of election rigging.   Zuckerberg even put money into voting machines while Bloomberg was busy giving money to the inmates in Florida t pay fines so could vote. Pretty Bizarre!   

Right wingers are trying to create after the fact voting laws to throw out legal votes. They control the legislatures and had no problem with anything until after they lost. Oregon votes strictly by mail and there is no "voter fraud".

We all knew corrupt criminal B.enedict Donald was going to claim "voter fraud" without any evidence because he already knew he was going to lose the election. This was written about for months and now he's doing what was written about since the Summer. Not one single piece of evidence of any voter fraud found by a right wing judge.     

[Rick Plant]

The hundreds of thousands of votes you are talking about were the mail in votes.  If you came in person and voted, you had to show your ID and prove that your were a citizen and where you lived.   On the other hand, this scrutiny was not done to the mail in votes.  They didn't even undergo signature verification.   So let us just throw them all out and assume for a moment that you would not expect any change in support for those that voted in person to those that voted with mail in?  IOn other words if in person voting was 60/40, would you not expect mail voting to be similar 60/40?   Was there ballot harvesting?   How were mail in ballots proven?  What would your outcome now become?  Did Biden still win?   Why would there be such a large discrepancy that only Biden voters mailed their ballots in and very few Trump did?  That is an anomaly that needs further scrutiny in those 4 states.

Furthermore, why was election counting halted?  Up until the halt, who was winning?

Again,  I say that there is widespread corruption and pay for play schemes on all sides of these parties.  No one party is innocent.  There have been accusations in Georgia that
Raffensperger had no requirement for mail in voting verification.  He avoided saying anything about that but mentioned that to obtain absentee ballots he put in place for the system a required electronic portal photo ID before you could have an absentee ballot issued.  Why was that?

There should be multi-million dollar lawsuits issued against Lin Wood for defamation of character.  If I was being slandered, like he is slandering Kemp and Raffensperger, I would get his butt sued off.   However, they would rather not go there and keep out the light instead!
https://thevirginiastar.com/2020/11/17/famed-attorney-lin-wood-blows-the-doors-off-alleged-georgia-vote-scam-predicts-new-election/

The system is so corrupt that the MSM is all part of it worldwide.  When was the last time you heard about politicians giving themselves pay raises?  When was the last time you heard a reporter call for government fiscal responsibility, balanced budge and an end to everlasting deficit spending?   When has there been an investigation of Hunter, James or Joe Biden?   Why is it off limits to ask Joe a tough question about his past dealings with Ukraine and China?    How are 1st Amendment rights involving free speech not being followed anymore.   News stories about Hunter Biden and his laptop were kept censored from social media platforms like Twitter and Facebook and the people not allowed to see?  How is that allowed?  Are not the peasants allowed to see all information and make their own opinion anymore as to what they want to believe and not believe?   This propaganda is worldwide and is being pushed by Soros Open Society Foundation.  The man in charge of Smartmatic, Lord Malloch Brown just took over Soros. Open Society Foundation.  From an election commandeer to the man in charge of an organization that addresses climate change and economic inequality. Where do you fit in? 

China is exploiting America's liberty and using it against them.   If Governments continue to spend without end, who will end up paying for it?   Money is based on paper, not gold and it will collapse.   There will have to be a system of communism/socialism which will have to take over because the indebtedness of the peasant will be called into play when he can't make a living, voice his opinion freely anymore or pay the tax burden placed on him!


Absolutely not.
1)  The abolishment of the 1st Amendment rights is the first indication of a rigged election.    When should censoring of news actually be allowed?   I think we all agree that maybe porn and swearing might be grounds to censor on.   However we have seen Dorsey (Twitter) and Zuckerberg (Facebook) deliberately keep people from posting their opinions and suspending their accounts. They have censored news items before election.   What gives these publishers the authority to censor news.   If you have both Democrats and Republicans having accounts,  are you being unbiased by withholding factual information?   Why has someone like Alex Jones been banned?  Is he not entertaining?   Why has youtube banned any videos showing possible election fraud - can't peasants make their own decisions?  They have become biased.    Why has it become necessary to keep people in the dark and from seeing both sides of a story?    That is election rigging.   What did they gain by doing this?   Are they getting some political appointees to Biden's close council in the process?

2)  The COVID crisis was a great way to create fear and shut down the economy, close small businesses, restaurants etc. and allow big business to take over.   Who is making the money now and who wants to prolong the crisis?  Follow the money.   Amazon, Microsoft,  Walmart, Costco and FedEx, pharmaceuticals  etc. and all the big corporations are making more money than ever since this all began.   If the election wasn't rigged, why are all these companies hellbent on putting their political donations into one basket - the Democratic party?    Again, we will see how many positions Biden will give in his cabinet to those in Wall Street and MSM and the others who have donated to him.  They have literally spent billion in order to see him win.  Using money as influence peddling should be a crime.   Maybe elections should have a maximum $10,000 donation limit to stop this corrupt process.  The more money you have, the more you get to play in the government is how it seems to work now.

3) COVID crisis once more.   If it did start in China, the Chinese allowed flights to the rest of the world from Wuhan while banning their own internal flights.    That is not right.  Furthermore a close examination of death rates must be looked at.  2018 statistics state that 7800 Americans die everyday from all illnesses.  We are now told that 300,000 have died in 2020 from COVID alone.  So we should expect that next year when looking back at the stats that 8700 Americans died everyday because it was a pandemic and not just a regular flu that normally kills the elderly.   MSM is once more hellbent to not report the average age of death of those dying.  What is it 78? 82?   No one reports.  However, fear is the key, masks and all.   Look at Sweden, they have reported less deaths and have never locked down once.    So taking it one step further,  we can now initiate mail in voting which has never been done before.  Many politicians in times past (including Democrats) have said you can never trust that process as it is susceptible to vote harvesting.    I would disagree and suffice it to say that it could be done legitimately.  However, you may need to base it on tax returns filed so that you have a database and can issue a mail in ballot accordingly.   Failing that, you need to make an in person declaration and register by presenting proof of citizenship and driver license ID and show up on election day at your proper polling place. Pretty simple system if you think about.

4) Follow the money and look at employment rates.   Mass shutdown of the middle class industry such as restaurants and small grocery stores has just occurred, what are these people supposed to do to make a living in the future?    The amount of money that is being thrown in by the plutocrats into the Democratic party is staggering.  Why have they done this?   Why is there so much partnering with China.   The Green New Deal gives a great deal for China and allows their economy to prosper and allows them virtually unlimited emissions and at same time World Economic Forum is calling for a Great Reset to occur in 2021.  Why does a Paris Accord have different pollution standards and not call on China to operate under exact same rules as American companies?  The Chinese are already a world power with incredible amounts of wealth, labor and making and making copies of just about everything in the world these days.   If Apple, Microsoft, Amazon and Disney and Joe Biden (lol) want to make more money, they look at China as a great lucrative market and a source of cheap electronics, goods and labor.  Why is there not some sort of divisions in funding between Democrat and Republican by the plutocrats?  What do they have to gain by supporting only one party and why?    That bias and big money should make you question and think about the possibility of election rigging.   Zuckerberg even put money into voting machines while Bloomberg was busy giving money to the inmates in Florida t pay fines so could vote. Pretty Bizarre!   

Nobody shows "ID" for absentee voting. You have no clue what you're talking about.

The state mails the person the ballot with a security ID bar code which confirms the ID of the voter. Nobody can tamper with it. Then they fill it out and mail it or put it in a drop box.

There is 0% chance of any voter fraud.   

Benedict Donal.d lied about mail in balloting so right wingers didn't vote by mail and Democrats did.

The Republican legislature in Pennsylania voted against counting mail in ballots until after all the in person voting was counted to create an illusion that Benedict Donal.d  was "winning" when he never was.

This is all b.s. propaganda and disinformation.   

[Rick Plant]

That's because there is no "voter fraud". This is all a right scam to keep election loser Benedic.t Donald in power.

Judge throws out lawsuit, finds no fraud or misconduct in Arizona election: Judge finds no evidence of election fraud or misconduct, dismisses lawsuit filed by Arizona's GOP chairwoman
https://tucson.com/news/local/judge-throws-out-lawsuit-finds-no-fraud-or-misconduct-in-arizona-election/article_47b07e6c-ca64-5e1f-b70f-f606ac5b6a6c.html

[John Iacoletti]

There is also been a number of emails released from the laptop

Anybody can claim that they have an email that says anything. The reason reputable news outlets aren’t running with this is because Rudy & Co. would never allow this alleged hard drive from this alleged laptop to be examined directly.

[Richard Smith]

The laptop is in the possession of the FBI not Rudy.  LOL.   There is an ongoing federal investigation of Hunter and James Biden.  There is zero evidence to suggest it is the product of "Russian disinformation" whatever that is supposed to mean.  Imagine the plan at the Kremlin to drop off a laptop at some random computer store in Delaware using a Hunter-double, hope the proprietor noticed its contents etc.  What a laughable scenario.  But if there were validity to any Russian connection to the laptop, where is the confirmation from the federal investigators that it is a fake?  That itself would be a big story for the media to cover - actual Russian interference in the election.  But they want no part of it because it is Hunter's laptop and contains information that incriminates the entire Biden family. 

[Joe Elliott]

President Trump has called upon the Proud Boys and their allies to show up in Washington D. C. on January 6, promising things will be wild, i.e.: I’m counting on you guys to make it wild. It appears that Trump is under the delusion, I hope it’s a delusion, that the protesters, if wild enough, can be useful. Justify declaring Martial Law or something. Can the Washington D. C. police handle what might descend of them from large parts of the country?

What about the National Guard? As I understand it, the National Guard can be controlled by the President or the Governor. But there is no governor for Washington D. C. So that leaves President Trump. And it doesn’t sound like he wants law and order on that day.

However, in Washington D. C., the National Guard is currently under the command of the Commanding General of the District of Columbia National Guard, U. S. Major General William J. Walker. In what I see as a potentially a greater threat to Democracy than the 9/11 attacks, the greatest threat to Washington D. C. since July 1864, it is up to General Walker to ensure Congress can do its Constitutional duty on January 6. I hope that General Walker is as alert to threats as General Lew Wallace was in 1864. I’m sure he is. In any case, all leave should be cancelled for the Washington D. C. police and the National Guard units in the area.

[Allan Fritzke]

You seem to be pulling statement about Shokin being fired not at the same time that Hunter was on the Burisma board.  Did CNN tell you this or exactly where do you get this factual statement from.

No, the Ukraine Government confirmed that to European investigators and news outlets a long time ago.

You really need to get your information for more sources, as you seem to have lost any sense of reality.

Here is a fact check for you.  I will dig the information for you as you don't want back up your statement!   Maybe you don't believe the timeline stated in the NY Times?  Just posting to prove your disinformation on this one!

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/us/politics/joe-biden-ukraine.html

“You have to be whiter than snow, or the whole world will abandon you,” Mr. Biden told the country’s newly elected president, Petro O. Poroshenko, during an early 2014 phone call, according to former administration officials.

That message was delivered just as Mr. Biden’s son Hunter joined the board of a Ukrainian gas company that was the subject of multiple corruption investigations, a position that paid him as much as $50,000 a month and — in the view of some administration officials, including the ambassador to Kiev — threatened to undermine Mr. Biden’s agenda.

The USA Today confirmed that Shokin was investigating Burisma for the period 2010-2012 in 2014 and was fired in 2016.   They have blended the article to make it look like he was investigating a prior period.    It was said he was investigating Burisma in a period from 2010-2012 interval and not the present when he was fired in 2016?   

Again, look at how USA Today misconstrues the facts and tries to cover.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/

In 2014, Shokin had investigated Burisma for money laundering and tax irregularities, per USA TODAY.

The probe focused on 2010-12, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau.

Hunter Biden — who joined the board in 2014 and served on it until early 2019 — was not the subject of the investigation.

Sure Joe.  We needed to get rid of him because he was investigating Burisma.    There was no investigation of Hunter Biden!  It was a pay for play scheme.  He used his influence and quid pro quo for Hunter to receive $50,000/month from a company that was no longer under investigation because he got rid of the prosecutor!  Why do you think Hunter was hired?  His expertise or the influence of his father to stop an investigation into Bursima and its past corruption?  Pretty easy to piece that puzzle together when you see that Biden influenced the firing of Shokin and cleared Burisma of investigation - Quid Pro Joe!

You get your facts straight!  The firing of Shokin was in March 2016 and happened coincidentally at the time Hunter was receiving 50k/month on its board  beginning in 2014 and continued on  until 2019!    Biden used his influence  and was proud of it and of his son.  Devon Archer was also on the board and Joe went golfing with the two of them in August 2014. He claims he knows nothing of his son's dealings and how he was set up at Burisma by chance - blatant lies.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/01/joe-and-hunter-biden-golfed-with-ukraine-gas-executive-in-2014/

Joe says:

“I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings,” Biden said,

Hunter says:

Hunter told The New Yorker in July that he and his father had spoken about his overseas work “just once.”

I wonder where Devon Archer is now?  He was golfing with Joe in 2014 and was the business partner of Hunter and on same board - no conflicts!    Hmmm!

It is all a twisted story of deceit and lies!  See the relationship between John Kerry as well - what a swamp!

https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/23/records-show-john-kerry-lied-about-ignorance-of-hunter-bidens-lucrative-position-in-ukraine/

Wade told the committee investigators that he relayed to Kerry that the secretary’s stepson, Christopher Heinz’s, business partners Hunter Biden and Devon Archer both joined the board of Burisma but that Heinz had refrained from getting involved with the company. Below is a transcript of Wade’s interview with the Senate probe, emphasis theirs: