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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2976 on: December 22, 2020, 08:45:03 AM »
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Here is a fact check for you.  I will dig the information for you as you don't want back up your statement!   Maybe you don't believe the timeline stated in the NY Times?  Just posting to prove your disinformation on this one!

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/us/politics/joe-biden-ukraine.html

You seem to be very gullible and way too easy to influence with incorrect or incomplete information.

Yes, Russia invaded Ukraine, but not all of it. They are still fighting in the area near the border with Russia but at least 2/3 of the country hasn't seen a Russian soldier. So, I'm not sure what your point is. The NY Times isn't helping your allegations against Joe and Hunder Biden at all. In fact it completely destroys them. Maybe you should read the article again and pay a bit more attention.

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The USA Today confirmed that Shokin was investigating Burisma for the period 2010-2012 in 2014 and was fired in 2016.   They have blended the article to make it look like he was investigating a prior period.    It was said he was investigating Burisma in a period from 2010-2012 interval and not the present when he was fired in 2016?   

Again, look at how USA Today misconstrues the facts and tries to cover.

Wrong information again. Shokin was supposed to investigate fraud but he never actually did. That was the problem.

Hunter Biden is a capital investments professional who was recruited to the board of Burisma in 2014, so even if Shokin was investigating Burimsa for the period 2010 - 2012, it had nothing to do with him. And, yes, he joined Burisma when Joe Biden started dealing, on behalf of the US Government, with the new President of the Ukraine. You claim the two events were somehow connected but there is not a shred of proof for it. USA Tody did not misconstrue facts. You do!

The aid money that was being withheld came from the International Monetary Fund. They did not want to provide it unless Shokin was removed from his position, because of his blatant corruption. Do you really believe the I.M.F. was involved in doing Hunter Biden a favor? The whole notion is pathetic.

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Sure Joe.  We needed to get rid of him because he was investigating Burisma. There was no investigation of Hunter Biden!  It was a pay for play scheme.  He used his influence and quid pro quo for Hunter to receive $50,000/month from a company that was no longer under investigation because he got rid of the prosecutor!  Why do you think Hunter was hired?  His expertise or the influence of his father to stop an investigation into Bursima and its past corruption?  Pretty easy to piece that puzzle together when you see that Biden influenced the firing of Shokin and cleared Burisma of investigation - Quid Pro Joe!

You get your facts straight!  The firing of Shokin was in March 2016 and happened coincidentally at the time Hunter was receiving 50k/month on its board  beginning in 2014 and continued on  until 2019! Biden used his influence  and was proud of it and of his son.  Devon Archer was also on the board and Joe went golfing with the two of them in August 2014. He claims he knows nothing of his son's dealings and how he was set up at Burisma by chance - blatant lies.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/01/joe-and-hunter-biden-golfed-with-ukraine-gas-executive-in-2014/


All you present is wild speculation and then you tell me to get my facts straight? Really?

Why do you think Hunter was hired?  His expertise or the influence of his father to stop an investigation into Bursima and its past corruption?

Do you even know what Hunter Biden's expertise is? He's a lawyer and was Vice President of Amtrak from 2006 to 2009 appointed to the position by President George W. Bush. When he was on the board of Burisma, there were members of Royal Houses in Europe also on the board. So, he made $50,000/month. In the world he was moving in, such an amount is peanuts.

Another "fact" that you get completely wrong is that Joe Biden influenced the firing of Shokin. He didn't. He was just the messenger. The International Monetary Fund and the Obama Administration were going to give financial aid to Ukraine, but did not want it to go to waste due to the corruption there was in that country under their previous President (another Putin buddy, like Trump!). Many European countries as well as the International Monetary Fund also wanted Shokin gone because of the same corruption, so they had Joe Biden put pressure on the Ukraine Government, telling them if they wanted the financial aid they had to get rid of Shokin. Which is exactly what they did. It was widely reported in Europe at the time and it had nothing to do with Burisma or Hunter Biden! Joe Biden personally had no influence, but as the VP representing the US Government he had.

Crazy Republicans and right wing media outlets, who never let true facts get in the way of a fake story, saw an opportunity to damage Joe Biden when it became clear that he would run against Trump in 2020. Prior to that nobody gave a damn about any of this. But once Joe Biden became a threat to Trump's re-election they started to concoct this pathetic story and it suddenly became "a scandal". And it isn't the only BS story they came up with. The Benghazi "investigation" and the e-mail server "scandal" only lasted as long as Hillary Clinton was a threat to Trump.

For guys like you, sharing an office space or being on a plane with somebody is already deemed to be corruption, at least when it concerns Hunter and Joe Biden, but when Guiliani and Trump teamed up with highly questionable Ukraine "businessmen" Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman (who are both currently under investigation for, among other things, funneling Russian money into U.S. elections) the Right wingers said nothing. Not a word about corruption and guess what, those guys were making far more money than Hunter Biden ever did. That's a hell of a double standard.

Stay safe and keep misinformed. It seems to be the only way to make you happy.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2977 on: December 22, 2020, 09:18:10 AM »
When 'Daffy Donald the Lame Duck' gets his shot at the Pearly Gates, he will be met by the kids he separated from their parents, the thousands of people who died of the virus while he idly dragged his bone spurs around the golf course, the women he molested (and who knows what the hell he got up to at Jerry Epstein's parties), and the tradespeople he didn't pay all congregate for the final tally, they'll proclaim: ROAST HIM!
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2978 on: December 22, 2020, 04:10:33 PM »
:D :D :D

Fake conspiracies is all right wingers have...pathetic!

New York state will be indicting the Trump Crime Family after Jan. 20th.

Huh?  What conspiracy is that?  I'm claiming the laptop belongs to Hunter and that he left it at the computer store.  No conspiracy.  Just a crackhead doing what a crackhead does.  It's you and China Joe alleging some type of kooky conspiracy involving Russia and Rudy!  I knew you were not very bright but at least be honest.   
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2979 on: December 22, 2020, 05:40:32 PM »
Huh?  What conspiracy is that?  I'm claiming the laptop belongs to Hunter and that he left it at the computer store.  No conspiracy.  Just a crackhead doing what a crackhead does.  It's you and China Joe alleging some type of kooky conspiracy involving Russia and Rudy!  I knew you were not very bright but at least be honest.

I'm claiming the laptop belongs to Hunter and that he left it at the computer store.

And you have no way of knowing that's true. You just accept right wing propaganda as true....

Hunter Biden is a wealthy man. He doesn't need to get his laptop repaired in some obscure shop in Delaware. And even less so when he is living in California. FFS, the store owner can't even identify Hunter Biden as the man who brought in the laptop. The whole laptop thing has all the hallmarks of a black op. And before you claim that those kind of things don't happen in the USA, you should do some research into what Howard E. Hunt got up to for Nixon to destroy the political ambitions of then VP Hubert Humphrey.

Although unrelated, a far more interesting black op, which shows you just how far they go to pass of a fake as real, happened during the Second World War, when the allies wanted to convince Hitler that the invasion was going to take somewhere else than it did. The operation was called "Mincemeat". There is a documentary about it on You Tube. You should watch it, despite the fact that it happened so many years ago. Look what kind of tricks they had up their sleeve then and imagine what those tricks are like nowadays with all the modern means they have available to them.

And you may call Hunter Biden a crackhead, but that only tells me you haven't checked out his history either. Do you really think President George W. Bush would appoint Hunter Biden VP of Amtrak if he was just a crackhead?

And what do you think of Rudy now, after Fox News and Newsmax, faced with a massive lawsuit from the two companies involved, withdrawing all their bogus claims about the voting machines being rigged! Rudy had nothing to do with that bogus story either, just like the fake Ukraine story about Shokin, right?

And before you go on about the videos and pictures and so on... They are likely authentic and could well have been stolen by a hacker. After that it's easy to bury a massive lie amongst authentic materials and claim it's all real.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2980 on: December 22, 2020, 05:58:38 PM »
When 'Daffy Donald the Lame Duck' gets his shot at the Pearly Gates, he will be met by the kids he separated from their parents, the thousands of people who died of the virus while he idly dragged his bone spurs around the golf course, the women he molested (and who knows what the hell he got up to at Jerry Epstein's parties), and the tradespeople he didn't pay all congregate for the final tally, they'll proclaim: ROAST HIM!
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2981 on: December 23, 2020, 01:21:58 AM »
It’s amusing to see “Richard” become the kooky conspiracy theorist that he is always ranting about.

 A conspiracy theorist at heart :D


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2982 on: December 23, 2020, 01:23:11 AM »
Huh?  What conspiracy is that?  I'm claiming the laptop belongs to Hunter and that he left it at the computer store.  No conspiracy.  Just a crackhead doing what a crackhead does.  It's you and China Joe alleging some type of kooky conspiracy involving Russia and Rudy!  I knew you were not very bright but at least be honest.

Total nonsense and sadly you believe it. That's why the right wing media is able to con gullible fools.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2983 on: December 23, 2020, 02:50:28 AM »
Total nonsense and sadly you believe it. That's why the right wing media is able to con gullible fools.

LOL.  Imbecile.  You apparently don't understand the word "conspiracy."  You are falsely suggesting that Russian boogeymen are behind Hunter's laptop.  That is the "conspiracy theory" because it involves more than one person.  Crackhead Hunter dropping off his laptop and forgetting it in a drug haze is not a conspiracy.  It's all the more humorous that you want to discredit someone as a "conspiracy theorist" while touting the most outlandish conspiracy theories.  An exercise in self loathing.  Very enlightening.
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« Reply #2983 on: December 23, 2020, 02:50:28 AM »