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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4072 on: July 10, 2021, 04:30:18 AM »
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White nationalists, neo nazis, the klan, white supremacists and hate groups....all the scumbags that make up Criminal Donald's base. The same ones who he called "very fine people", "patriots", and said "we love you" to them in a pre-recorded video. They nearly beat a cop to death and they say "they back the blue'.         


'Undisputed' neo-Nazi Trump supporter will plead guilty for rioting at the Capitol: feds




A Trump supporter whom prosecutors say is an "undisputed" member of a white supremacist gang is set to plead guilty to charges related to rioting at the United States Capitol building this year.

WUSA 9 reports that MAGA rioter Michael Curzio will appear in court on Monday and plead guilty to "one count of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building, which carries a maximum sentence of six months in prison."

Although Curzio faces no felony charges, he was denied bond in the months leading up to his plea due to his violent criminal past and what prosecutors say is his "undisputed" membership in a white supremacist gang.

Curzio was convicted of attempted murder last decade and sentenced to eight years in jail -- and prosecutors noted that Curzio showed no hesitation in committing criminal offenses just two years after he was released.

Prosecutors have also made note of the fact that Curzio displays Nazi tattoos around his neck.

"At the time of his arrest, he bore tattoos with Nazi symbology associated with [white supremacist gang the Unforgiven] and was wearing a necklace with a Thor's-hammer pendant," the Justice Department wrote. "While he claims the pendant is a representation of sincere religious belief, Thor's hammer is also known to be a white-supremacist symbol."

https://www.rawstory.com/nazi-capitol-riot/



'You're going to die tonight': New video shows Capitol rioters brutally assaulting officers and dragging them down steps




A new body cam video released Friday shows Jan. 6 insurrectionists brutally assaulting Metropolitan Police Department officers who had set up a perimeter around the Capitol, before dragging them down a staircase into a mob of angry protesters.

One of the insurrectionists involved, Jack Whitton, allegedly told an officer, "You're going to die tonight," and later boasted in a text message that he had "fed him (an officer) to the people."

"Idk (I don't know) his status," Whitton wrote in the text message to a friend, referring to the officer. "And (I) don't care tbh (to be honest)."

According to court documents, the attack left one of the officers with head wounds that required staples to close. This was after rioters "ripped off his helmet, maced him, took his gas mask and MPD-issued cell phone, kicked him, struck him with poles, and stomped on him."

Whitton, a CrossFit instructor from Georgia who allegedly beat one of the officers with a metal crutch, was denied bond in April after a judge said he represents "a serious danger."

Another one of the defendants involved, Jeffrey Sabol of Colorado, also remains jailed after planning to flee to Switzerland and attempting suicide in the wake of the insurrection.

Watch the video below:

https://twitter.com/LukeLBarr/status/1413528971464134657

https://www.rawstory.com/new-capitol-riot-footage-2653731231/




White nationalists prep for 'physical' altercation with security at Dallas CPAC conference




White nationalist and Unite the Right attendee Nicholas Fuentes, de facto leader of the ultra-far-right "groyper" movement, has announced that he plans to attending a Conservative Political Action Conference gathering this weekend in Dallas, although he has not been welcomed at previous CPAC events.

A years-long feud between Fuentes and CPAC organizers appeared to escalate on Wednesday after Fuentes' declaration.

"I'm going to CPAC in Dallas on Saturday," he tweeted to his loyal "groyper army," many of whom responded with excitement. "Well, most likely, I'll be getting physically removed from CPAC in Dallas on Saturday, but you can come watch if you want," he added.

"I will be there! Can't wait!" one follower responded to Fuentes' tweet. Another wrote, "groyper swarm incoming." In other online forums reviewed by Salon, many of Fuentes' followers posted plans to attend CPAC and partake in a "White Boy Summer" meetup in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

Since 2019, Fuentes has made a point of showing up at CPAC gatherings, likely to create friction and push the bounds of acceptable rhetoric at the American Conservative Union's events, at times making participants and organizers distinctly uncomfortable.

This year will apparently be no different. At CPAC gatherings both last year and this year, Fuentes has staged his own competing event, dubbed the America First Political Action Conference (AFPAC), designed to make the more "mainstream" conservatives of CPAC appear to be RINOs.

During the CPAC convention in Florida earlier in 2021, Fuentes attempted to enter the event along with a group of 25 or so fellow white nationalists. They were denied entry.

Fuentes didn't return a Salon request for comment on this story.

Jared Holt, a resident fellow at Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab and a former reporter for Right Wing Watch, discussed the fraught relationship between Fuentes and CPAC in an interview with Salon this week. "Nick Fuentes and his followers seem to only go to those conferences to antagonize other participants," Hold said in a phone interview. "It creates situations that have resulted in them being kicked out of the conference. I imagine if they have similar plans in Dallas ... their time inside the conference will be short-lived."

Holt added that Fuentes and the "groypers" see CPAC as a way to "boost their own visibility" and attempt to "siphon off" attendees from more mainstream conservative groups.

More mainstream Republican and conservative pundits, including fervent Donald Trump supporters, generally want nothing to do with Fuentes' overtly racist rhetoric, while he derides them as "shills." Some degree of confrontation is more than likely this weekend in Dallas, where Trump himself will deliver the keynote address on Sunday afternoon.

https://www.rawstory.com/white-nationalists-prep-for-physical-altercation-with-security-at-dallas-cpac-conference/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4073 on: July 10, 2021, 01:07:13 PM »
Good riddance to this unqualified Trump stooge who was only a right wing donor.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4074 on: July 11, 2021, 03:11:37 AM »
The GOP likes to masquerade as the "Pro Life Party" when in reality they only care about an unborn fetus forcing a woman to give birth. Other than that, these right wingers don't care about the "living and breathing human being". They don't care that gun violence is killing innocent people by the dozens every day. In fact, they want everyone to own a military grade weapon including criminals and the mentally ill. They are perfectly fine with lunatics stockpiling weapons. If these right wingers actually cared about life, they would indeed support measures to stop innocent children and adults from needlessly dying from a bullet. But they only care about an unborn fetus. So fetus they claim they want to save can easily be a victim of gun violence which they care less about. Disgusting hypocrites. 

And of course, we can't forget how hypocritical they are on the issue of COViD-19. They claim to be "Pro Life" but purposely go maskless where they are infecting their family and the public they encounter with COVID. They don't care that they are spreading a deadly virus and they don't care to protect themselves from it either. If they were really "Pro Life" they would wear a mask and social distance to protect the lives of others including their own.

We also have a vaccine that protects humans from ending up on a ventilator in the ICU due to COVID and the more dangerous Delta variant which is 4-5 times more deadly. These right wingers refuse to get vaccinated, and as a result, they are getting extremely ill and end up dying from it. Not only that, they are keeping this virus around to keep spreading and mutating into a more deadly version. These fraudulent hypocrites had the nerve to give Criminal Donald fake credit for the vaccine but refuse to take it and the right wing media spends a good chunk of each day pushing lies and propaganda against the vaccine. Yes, these people are deranged, but If they were really "Pro Life" as they claim, then they would all get vaccinated to save their life and other lives around them

The fact of the matter is, these right wingers are not "Pro Life", they are "Pro Death" and their actions clearly show it each day. The COVID-19 disaster we are currently facing is because right wing Republicans made it worse than what it should have been. They get triggered over someone wearing a mask and go into a crazy rage. The right wing media and GOP politicians make up outright lies about vaccines which are designed to save lives. They don't care that nearly 700,000 Americans are dead from this virus, but they will fight tooth and nail over abortion that shouldn't even be an issue anyway. These people are nothing but frauds and are disgusting hypocrites. Yes, the GOP is "The Pro Death Party". 

The article below is well worth reading which describes these right wing hypocrite phony "pro lifers".   


How political polarization broke America’s vaccine campaign
The US’s partisan divides have left much of the country vulnerable to Covid-19 — leading to unnecessary deaths


The Covid-19 epidemic in the United States risks becoming a tale of “two Americas,” as Anthony Fauci warned in June: a nation where regions with higher vaccination rates are able to beat back the coronavirus, while those with lower vaccination rates continue to see cases and deaths.

At face value, it’s a division between those who are vaccinated and those who are unvaccinated. But, increasingly, it’s also a division between Democrats and Republicans — as vaccination has ended up on one of the biggest dividing lines in the US, political polarization.

Polarization, of course, is not a new force in American life. Growing polarization doesn’t just mean a Congress more starkly dividing between left and right; it means people’s political views now closely hew with views on seemingly unrelated issues, like which movies should win Oscars. But throughout the pandemic, polarization has manifested as stark differences in how Democrats and Republicans each approach Covid-19, from hand-washing to social distancing to masking.

That polarization has now opened political rifts in vaccination rates, with people’s decision to get a shot or not today a better predictor of states’ electoral outcomes than their votes in prior elections. It’s led the US’s vaccination campaign to hit a wall, missing President Joe Biden’s July 4 goal. Meanwhile, the more infectious delta variant is spreading, raising the risk of infections, hospitalizations, and deaths in unvaccinated — and often heavily Republican — areas.

To put it bluntly: Polarization is killing people.

"That’s a perfectly accurate interpretation,” Seth Masket, a political scientist at the University of Denver, told me. “We’re at the point where people are choosing riskier personal behavior due to following the lead of people in their party.”

It didn’t have to be this way. Perceptions about Covid-19 weren’t too divided by political party very early on in the pandemic. And while America’s peers around the world certainly saw political debates and conflicts over Covid-19, they by and large managed to avoid the level of polarization that the US has seen, with other nations working across political lines to take the virus seriously and suppress it.

But the US began to walk a different path once then-President Donald Trump downplayed the coronavirus — deliberately, as he later revealed — and Republican leaders and the rank and file followed his lead. Whether you took the pandemic seriously very quickly became another way to affiliate with red or blue teams, leading some to do things more dangerous for their own well-being just because of their political party affiliation.

“Partisanship is now the strongest and most consistent divider in health behaviors,” Shana Gadarian, a political scientist at Syracuse University, told me.

Overcoming this will require confronting an all-encompassing trend in American political life. And while experts have some ideas about the best way to reach Republicans, it may be too late; with a year and a half of Trump and other Republicans downplaying the risk of the virus, there’s a chance that views around Covid-19 — and the vaccine as a result — are just too baked in now.

It’s one of the major reasons experts worry that Southern states, which are heavily Republican and have among the lowest vaccination rates in the US, will soon see outbreaks of Covid-19. Indeed, several Southern states, from Arkansas to Missouri to Texas, have reported some of the highest increases in cases in recent weeks. Covid-19 deaths in the US are still hovering around 200 a day — more than the number of murders or car crash deaths in recent years.

Still, it’s worth trying to, at the very least, heed the lessons of Covid-19 — if not for the current pandemic, then for future public health crises. Politics will always play a role in the response to any public health crisis, but it doesn’t have to be this bad — certainly not to the point where one side is denying the dangers of a virus killing millions around the globe.

Americans have already seen how badly this can play out, as hundreds of thousands have died and much of the country remains vulnerable to resurgences of Covid-19. The country can take steps to prevent that from happening again.

Covid-19 has been extremely polarized in the US

There is nothing inherent to Republicanism or conservatism that made polarization around Covid-19 inevitable. Around the world, countries led by those on the right, like Australia’s Scott Morrison or Germany’s Angela Merkel, have taken the virus seriously and embraced stringent precautions. From Canada to South Korea, countries that are at times roiled by serious political conflict by and large avoided it around Covid-19 as all sides of the aisle confronted the real threat it presented.

“It didn’t have to be this way,” Gadarian said. “There’s really nothing about the nature of being a right-wing party that would require undercutting the threat of Covid from the very beginning.”

It's not hard to imagine a timeline in which Trump took the coronavirus very seriously in a way that aligned with his rhetoric and policy goals: tightly locking the country’s borders, for example, and rallying Americans to embrace their patriotic duty to mask up and social distance to protect the nation from a virus originating in China.

Obviously, that’s not what happened.

At first, in February, there actually wasn’t a big split between Democrats and Republicans over whether the virus was a “real threat.” It wasn’t until Trump and others in his party spoke out more about the virus that Republicans became more likely to say the virus isn’t a danger. Elite cues fostered different American reactions to Covid-19.

Trump actively downplayed the virus, claiming in February 2020 that the virus would quickly disappear “like a miracle” from America and comparing it to the flu. Republican politicians and media followed suit, with blue-red fissures soon forming between states that were sticking to tighter precautions and which weren’t.

Public attitudes quickly took form. In March 2020, 33 percent of Republicans and 59 percent of Democrats said Covid-19 was a major threat to the health of the US, according to the Pew Research Center — a hint of early polarization. By July 2020, the gap had widened: 46 percent of Republicans saw Covid-19 as a threat to US health, versus 85 percent of Democrats.

That translated to reported behaviors. In a Gallup survey conducted in June and July of 2020, 94 percent of Democrats said they “always” or “very often” wore a mask outside their home, while just 46 percent of Republicans said the same.

“We saw it very early on,” Gadarian said. “The gaps in health behavior and all sorts of other attitudes are pretty steady over time. It got locked in and affected how people take in new information.”

Fast-forward to today, and this polarization remains in place with the vaccines. According to Civiqs’s polling, 95 percent of Democrats are already vaccinated or want to get vaccinated, while just 50 percent of Republicans report the same. The share of Republicans who reject the vaccine hasn’t significantly budged all year, remaining in the range of 41 to 46 percent.

Measuring the correlation between a state’s vaccination rate and 2020 election results, Masket found a coefficient of 0.85, with 1 meaning a one-to-one correlation and 0 representing no correlation. As Masket noted, “We almost never see this high a correlation between variables in the social sciences.” In fact, he added, “vaccination rates are a better predictor of the 2020 election than the 2000 election is. That is, if you want to know how a state voted in 2020, you can get more information from knowing its current vaccination rate than from knowing how it voted 20 years ago.”

Yet Republicans can take public health crises seriously, as many have with the opioid epidemic and did with the 2014-2016 Ebola outbreak. Some research also suggests that Republican governors who took on Covid-19 earnestly, such as Maryland’s Larry Hogan and Ohio’s Mike DeWine, managed to sway more of their constituents to embrace precautions.

Given that evidence, some experts speculated that, in an alternate reality, a President Mitt Romney or President Jeb Bush would have taken the Covid-19 threat much more seriously — and perhaps avoided polarizing the issue much, if at all. “Almost any other president would have recognized the severity of it, largely being in sync with the FDA and CDC,” Masket said.

Covid-19 has made polarization much more lethal

The consequences of polarization around Covid-19 are now clear. As David Leonhardt explained in the New York Times, there’s now a close correlation between vaccination rates and coronavirus cases. Over one week in June, counties where between 0 and 30 percent of people were vaccinated had nearly triple the number of new cases as counties with 60-plus percent vaccination rates.

These low-vaccine areas are often Republican bastions. Based on polling from the Kaiser Family Foundation, one of the major drivers of vaccine hesitancy among Republicans is the view that the threat of Covid-19 has been exaggerated. That early polarization driven by Trump’s downplaying of the virus, dating back to February 2020, explains why Republicans are much less likely to get vaccinated today.

The best hope of reversing this now, as a study by Stanford’s Polarization and Social Change Lab indicated earlier this year, seems, logically, for Republicans to forcefully and consistently argue that the coronavirus is a real threat and that the vaccine is safe and effective at preventing infection. While there have been some attempts by Republicans at this, with Trump briefly speaking favorably of the vaccines at the 2021 Conservative Political Action Conference, these messages have been few and far between. Some Republicans, such as Sens. Rand Paul (KY) and Ron Johnson (WI), have also continued to cast doubt on the vaccines’ safety and effectiveness.

It’s a bit baffling, because Trump has a great opportunity to take credit for the vaccines. While many experts doubted that a vaccine could come out in the first year of a pandemic caused by a novel virus, Trump promised to get a vaccine done in 2020, poured money into the task, and ultimately was right. Just about any president likely would have put resources toward a vaccine, but part of being a politician is taking credit for good things that happen while you’re in office — even if your unique ability to lead isn’t really responsible for them.

To that end, the best thing would have been — and would be for future public health crises — for Republican leaders never to politicize the pandemic at all.

Experts told me both sides could have worked together, as some did in other nations, to develop consistent messaging on the virus. Instead of press conferences led by political actors like Trump and former Vice President Mike Pence, they could have been primarily presented by less political actors like Fauci and other leaders from federal public health agencies. Trump and Pence could have ensured the message remained depolarized by not publicly clashing with these officials.

Democrats, too, would have needed to avoid falling into the trap of opposing things solely because the Trump administration was proposing them. This reverse polarization played out during the school reopening debate, as some Democrats reflexively criticized Trump’s push to reopen schools, and it now looks like it likely was safe to reopen with some precautions.

It’s a world where everyone is a lot more responsible about a serious public health crisis. And the fact that it’s hard to imagine, especially in the middle of a contentious election year, speaks to just how difficult it will be to overcome a political trend that’s now killing people.

https://www.vox.com/2021/7/6/22554198/political-polarization-vaccine-covid-19-coronavirus

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4075 on: July 12, 2021, 12:44:54 AM »
The highest percentages of the unvaccinated are young people and minorities.  The vast of majority of whom are democrats. So another lie to add to the growing list.  Trump was among the first proponents of a vaccine.  Biden and Harris expressed skepticism about the safety of the vaccine.  So we are going down the revisionist rabbit hole once again.  Like the claim that Republicans wanted to defund the police or that it is impermissible to challenge the validity of an election (something the dems did for four years with a baseless and wild conspiracy theory about Russian collusion).  The hypocrisy and lies are astounding.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4076 on: July 12, 2021, 02:08:31 PM »
Even Faux Propaganda had to put up a disclaimer on their banner that Criminal Donald is a pathological liar.  :D

Fox News runs disclaimer across the screen while Trump lies about 2020 election in CPAC speech
https://www.rawstory.com/fox-news-runs-trump-disclaimer-cpac/


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« Reply #4077 on: July 12, 2021, 02:28:09 PM »
Thanks to right wing Republicans and the right wing media pushing lies about COVID-19 and vaccines, Missouri has another COVID crisis. This time with the more infectious and deadly Delta variant. There is no excuse not to get vaccinated as President Biden had made it more than accessible to have vaccines at every major pharmacy and several public vaccination sites in nearly every county. This is their own fault and they will continue to infect each other and their families. Some of them will even die because of it. The GOP "Pro Death Party" at work with no regard for human life.         


'Like we’re on an island’: How Missouri’s inaction allowed delta variant to spread

On June 2 Jessica Pearson, an epidemiologist with the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services, sent a concerned but business-as-usual email to local health officials in the northwest corner of the state.

Pearson took note of the highly contagious COVID-19 delta variant, which had surged in some northern Missouri counties.

“Just a reminder that there is nothing additional that needs to be done as far as public health action for variant cases,” Pearson wrote, recapping a conference call earlier that day, “but we emphasize the importance of a timely investigation and implementation of control measures.”

One month later, as the United States as a whole experiences the fewest cases and hospitalizations in months, Missouri is in crisis.

Delta is rampaging through the unvaccinated, spurring rising cases and threatening to overwhelm Springfield hospitals. Missouri now has the second-highest rate of new cases per capita, according to data compiled by The New York Times, and among the lowest adult vaccination rates among all states.

What went wrong?

A joint investigation by The Kansas City Star and Columbia University’s Brown Institute for Media Innovation reveals how June became a lost month in the fight to slow the spread of delta across Missouri. Thousands of pages of internal emails and other documents from 19 local health departments trace the growing alarm and a sense of near-resignation among officials about their chances of halting the advance of the variant.

The consequences of the squandered month will last well into summer. CoxHealth, a major Springfield hospital, told The Star it’s bracing for hospitalizations to rise for weeks to come. Delta is still spreading and has now been found in the Kansas City and St. Louis areas, though state officials hope higher vaccination rates in those places will limit increases in cases. Schools will also begin next month with some parents in open rebellion against imposing mask requirements, even with delta all but certain to continue circulating.

The emails, obtained through records requests by the institute’s Documenting COVID-19 project and shared with The Star, paint a portrait of local health officials eager to vaccinate their communities but encountering resistance from residents, apathy from some politicians and a milquetoast state-level response. They document rising frustration with everyone from DHSS to elected officials to the public. An official in one county even privately mocked a video released by DHSS explaining the delta variant.

“I feel like we’re on an island, all alone in the COVID fight, but I know others in the state are feeling the same way,” Laclede County Health Department Administrator Charla Baker wrote to a DHSS official in late June. “With our community leaders and residents not wanting to take any remedial actions to protect themselves and others, we are just very frustrated and concerned with our current situation.”

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article252675203.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4078 on: July 12, 2021, 03:58:27 PM »
If only Biden and Harris had not expressed skepticism as to the safety of the vaccines developed under Trump, then perhaps more people would have gotten it.  But they chose politics over public safety as they did throughout the pandemic to use it for political purposes during the campaign.  While Trump was advocating a vaccine and securing hundreds of millions of doses, the Dems were closing down the country and advocating masks which had little or no demonstrable effect.  In fact, by overstating the safety of mask wearing, the Dems likely contributed to the spread of the pandemic by making people believe it was safe to go out with a mask.  Putting them at risk. 

With everything in the country falling apart at an astounding rate under Whispering Joe, the Dems desperately want the pandemic to return to use it again to clampdown on Americans for political purposes.  They have nothing else to offer except endless rants about Trump.

Old Joe's accomplishments in just over 100 days (although it seems much longer given the decline):

Inflation - check. 
Illegals flooding over the border - check. 
Gas prices rising to record levels - check. 
Labor shortage because they are paying folks to stay home - big check on that one. 
Rampant crime in the dem controlled cities - check. 
Russian hacks going unpunished - check (do they have something on Biden? - LOL). 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4079 on: July 13, 2021, 03:09:00 AM »
If only Biden and Harris had not expressed skepticism as to the safety of the vaccines developed under Trump,

Trump had nothing to do with the development of the "vaccines", all of which were in clinical trials when "Operation Wrap Speed" started shopping for doses. Biden and Harris simply said they wouldn't take a vaccine solely on the word of "Clorox Injection" Donald.

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then perhaps more people would have gotten it.  But they chose politics over public safety as they did throughout the pandemic to use it for political purposes during the campaign.  While Trump was advocating a vaccine and securing hundreds of millions of doses, the Dems were closing down the country and advocating masks which had little or no demonstrable effect.  In fact, by overstating the safety of mask wearing, the Dems likely contributed to the spread of the pandemic by making people believe it was safe to go out with a mask.  Putting them at risk. 

Remember Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick, a Republican, saying grandparents should be willing to die so the economy could stay open?



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