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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4136 on: July 21, 2021, 03:18:18 PM »
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Again, you don't know what you're talking about and the experts are not wrong. The only people who are wrong are the lying right wing media hacks and the Criminal Trump administration who lied every single day to the American people about COVID-19 and now the vaccine. Then people like you parrot this disinformation pretending you're an expert.   

The reason we have different strains is because these new strains mutated from the original COVID virus. And new strains mutated from that strain and so on. Scientists and doctors are very worried that an even more deadly strain will mutate from the already deadly Delta variant because morons refuse to get vaccinated and are rapidly spreading COVID.    ​

What do you mean "if there are health concerns"? We are in a pandemic and unvaccinated people are dying. Sounds like a health concern to me.

No, it's not a "personal choice". These unvaccinated morons are disrupting our way of life and are destroying our country including the economy. They refuse to get vaccinated and then beg for medical attention when they are gasping for air. Then they end up dying alone in a hospital while keeping this virus around to infect others.

You don't know anybody who was blinded or got diabetes from having the shot because that does not happen. You are making this up.

You don't develop "breathing problems" from the vaccine. Breathing problems occur because of COVID-19.   

You are posting dangerous anti vaccine disinformation.               

This is absolutely false. The vaccine prevents you from dying from COVID-19. That is a medical fact. You are posting Qanon anti vaccine disinformation. 

All the Covid-19 vaccines prevent death and severe disease, and that's what matters, experts say
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/health/covid-vaccines-prevent-death/index.html

'Covid vaccines preventing serious illness and death'
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-56765802

Covid vaccines prevent severe illness & death: Experts
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/vaccines-prevent-severe-illness-death-health-experts/articleshow/81712852.cms

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

You need to stop hiding in the basement and come out and see the world as it is, you have been hiding there way to long. It is great that the virus vaccines have somewhat worked but everyone needs to know the risks because they are the ones left living with the results.

Everything I have told you, death, diabetes, breathing, and temporary blindness, is based on knowing these people. If this is going on in the small world in which I live there are many more stories like this. The only one pushing nonsense is you. You are completely uninformed and listening to media outlets for all your information. How about think for yourself instead of absorbing the crap coming from the media. There is not one of the talking heads that would not take the opposite view if they were paid more money to switch. It doesn't matter left or right, they would just have "seen the light".

J&J rationalizing some people will need to die of blood clotting to save other people with their vaccine is exactly the logic you have been promoting here.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4137 on: July 21, 2021, 03:50:23 PM »
Some people who recover from COVID-19 have contracted diabetes. I can find nothing on the scientific sites I visited about the vaccine causing temporary blindness and diabetes.

There are some reports about blood-clotting and a warning about anaphylaxis, a potential reaction by people (who are immunocompromised or take medication that suppress the immune system) to some ingredient in the vaccine medium (this is an ongoing issue form these folks for all vaccines). Johnson & Johnson reported an increased risk of the rare nerve condition Guillain-Barré syndrome ("The chance of having this occur is very low"). The flu, surgery and contracting COVID-19 can cause Guillain-Barre.

These new vaccine technologies have been studied, including clinically with people, for decades. When the pandemic was announced by WHO in January 2020, all the pharmaceutical companies had to do was map the strain, which could take days or a few weeks. What held up the vaccine being released was the standard months-long clinical trials. Trump's "Wrap Speed" had almost nothing to do with the research by most of the companies; it was more funding the clinical trials (which some might term "research") and securing shipments of dosages.

Apparently, those taking immunosuppressive drugs (as mentioned, some may have an immediate adverse reaction to some ingredient in the vaccine medium) may receive both doses with no immediate reaction, but have minimum or no detectable antibodies against Covid-19. In the US, about six million people take such drugs and so may not be adequately protected from COVID-19, even if they receive two shots. Some taking a third dose report immunity while others see no change.

So some people not wearing a mask--who have both shots but unknowingly no immunity--may be as vulnerable as the unvaccinated they mingle with. Yesterday Britain launched "Freedom Day" (lifting lockdown restrictions), a few days after Britain reported its highest daily number of new COVID-19 cases (54,674) since January. I can see this going pear-shaped.

I don't share your high regard for the medical profession. Based on personal experience they don't have the answers to much nor do they listen. Someone led them to believe they are way smarter than they really are. They are just stumbling around in the dark like the rest of us. Look at how many things they have gotten wrong about this so far and now we are supposed to think they are getting it right now.

As far as the clinical trials who knows. I just know what has happened to people I know. The temporary blindness took place after the shot on the way home. The end result was he recovered but now has problems with anxiety attacks as a result. I think it is nothing more than everyone is different and they can't make blanket statements that everything is ok on such an untested vaccine. It no doubt has saved lives but at what cost. People have figured out the risks based on what they know and are making the decision about what is best for them. Demanding everyone should get the shot just because is irresponsible. A lot of people have had the virus and disregarding that and claiming the shot is somehow better is almost bizarre.  This disease is not going away nor will it be defeated by a new shot whenever the sky is falling. Already people have stopped listening.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4138 on: July 22, 2021, 01:05:09 AM »
I don't share your high regard for the medical profession. Based on personal experience they don't have the answers to much nor do they listen. Someone led them to believe they are way smarter than they really are. They are just stumbling around in the dark like the rest of us. Look at how many things they have gotten wrong about this so far and now we are supposed to think they are getting it right now.

And there are many people like you who feel the same exact way and they are getting deathly ill and end up dying when they don't have to.

Listen to who? You? :D

These people are the experts that conducted studies and are trained to do this work. You're supposed to listen to them.   

What have they gotten wrong? Nothing.

The facts are masks and social distancing saved lives until we had the vaccine. And the vaccine protects you from getting seriously ill and dying a horrible death. Then we have people like you railing against the vaccine until they are near death in the hospital and then they start begging for a vaccine but it's too late.       

 
As far as the clinical trials who knows. I just know what has happened to people I know. The temporary blindness took place after the shot on the way home. The end result was he recovered but now has problems with anxiety attacks as a result. I think it is nothing more than everyone is different and they can't make blanket statements that everything is ok on such an untested vaccine. It no doubt has saved lives but at what cost. People have figured out the risks based on what they know and are making the decision about what is best for them. Demanding everyone should get the shot just because is irresponsible. A lot of people have had the virus and disregarding that and claiming the shot is somehow better is almost bizarre.  This disease is not going away nor will it be defeated by a new shot whenever the sky is falling. Already people have stopped listening.

You are posting total b.s.

This is Qanon conspiracy garbage you're posting. Nobody has been "temporarily blinded on their way home" just after 20 minutes of taking the vaccine.

Untested vaccine? These vaccines were thoroughly tested before they were made for emergency use.   

If everybody gets vaccinated, the disease will be stamped out and will eventually go away, but morons pushing garbage conspiracies refusing to get vaccinated will keep spreading this virus until it mutates into a more deadly variant. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4139 on: July 22, 2021, 01:28:42 AM »
This isn't too difficult to figure out. Criminal Donald stood out in front of the podium each day slurring his words and ranting like a lunatic telling Americans to inject disinfectant and ultraviolet lights into their bodies as a cure for COVID. Then he argued more and more like a clown each day to take Hydroxychloroquine when it was proven to be ineffective all because he couldn't be proven wrong. Only MAGA morons think this blithering idiot is a "genius". So it was apparent this loser was going to be defeated last April 2020. So, he started with the "rigged election lies" and "mail in ballot lies" last July, and ordered his stooge Postmaster General Louis Dejoy, to start dismantling to post office so ballots couldn't arrive on time attempting to steal the election. From there, he had right wing Governors remove ballot drop boxes and state legislatures made it more difficult for people to vote. After he lost in a blowout, he pushed "The Big Lie" with his GOP henchmen and attempted a coup as he incited an insurrection on Jan. 6th to illegally remain in power. 

Barr told Trump to his face 'you're going to lose' because he was humiliating himself at COVID briefings: book

Carol Leonnig and Phil Rucker's new book I Alone Can Fix It contains some stories about former Attorney General Bill Barr using surprisingly blunt language to convince former President Donald Trump to stop doing daily coronavirus briefings.

"I feel you are going to lose the election," Barr told Trump in April 2020 as the virus was killing more Americans, according to the reporters. "I feel you are actually losing touch with your own base."

Some of the Trump fans that Barr had talked to when traveling had confided in him that they were bothered by Trump's petty squabbles with his perceived enemies when they needed him. They, like most Americans, wanted steady leaders that could steer the country through the pandemic and bring back the economy.

"I have yet to meet anybody who supports you who hasn't said to me, 'We love the president, but would you please tell him to turn it back a bit?'" Barr said according to the new book. "You're going to lose because there's going to be enough people who otherwise would vote for you who are just tired of the acrimony, the pettiness, the punching down and picking a fight at every moment, and the apparent chaos, and they're just going to say, 'We're tired of this sh*t.' "

Barr went on to tell Trump that he thinks the only reason Trump won in 2016 after the infamous "Access Hollywood" tape was because Trump put his head down and behaved himself.

"It actually scared you enough to listen to Kellyanne [Conway]," said Barr. "And for the last several weeks you behaved yourself and you won by a hair. This time it's different. You cannot wait until the end."

Barr wasn't the only one. The day that Trump told people to inject disinfectant and stick a UV light into their bodies, his aides assumed the election was done.

The book recalls then-campaign manager Brad Parscale calling Jared Kushner saying, "We're going to lose in a landslide. You've got Doctor Trump up there all day. We're still going down in the polls. We're losing and nothing's changing."

"I know," Kushner agreed. "This is horrible."

By June, Parscale was worried again.

"Let the doctors do the work," Parscale told Trump according to the book. "Do whatever Fauci f**king says. Let Fauci take the hit. Don't own it. You're going to lose if you don't change. You're going to lose."

Still, the book explained that Trump wanted to be in charge.

"I'm doing this my own way," Trump replied to Parscale. "I'm going to win."

https://www.rawstory.com/barr-trump-humiliation-briefings-losing/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4140 on: July 22, 2021, 02:10:32 AM »
This is the sad reality of what's happening today. People are listening to COVID and vaccine lies from the right wing media and are refusing to get vaccinated. They think it's all a "hoax" and "political propaganda made up by Democrats" because that's what the right wing media liars tell them on a daily basis. Then when these people end up dying in a hospital bed suffocating to death, they realize it's not a "hoax" after all, and they start begging to have the vaccine administered to them. Doctors then tell them it's "too late" and a day or two later they die of a horrible death. All of this needless suffering and deaths could all be avoided if they got vaccinated right away, but they refused to listen to the experts and only listen to right wing disinformation instead. As a result, these misinformed souls end up suffering the deadly consequences because of their poor choices. Listening to the right wing media kills you. They are the fake news pushing the hoax on their own viewers. And they couldn't care less their own viewers are dying in droves each day because they double down on their vaccine and COVID disinformation.         

Doctor reveals what she tells dying COVID patients who beg for a vaccine after thinking the pandemic was a hoax




An Alabama doctor has revealed heartbreaking details about her recent conversations with patients dying from COVID-19, amid a surge in cases caused by the Delta variant in the state with the lowest vaccination rate in the nation.

"I'm admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID," Dr. Brytney Cobia wrote in a Facebook post on Sunday. "One of the last things they do before they're intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but it's too late.

A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same," Cobia added. "They cry. And they tell me they didn't know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn't get as sick. They thought it was 'just the flu'. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can't. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives."

Cobia said all but one of her current patients did not receive the vaccine, with the one who received it expected to recover. AL.com reports that Cobia and other doctors "worked themselves to the bone" in the early part of the pandemic, when the vaccine wasn't available during a period she described as "tragedy after tragedy after tragedy."

"You know, so many people that did all the right things, and yet still came in, and were critically ill and died," Cobia said, adding that "it's different mentally and emotionally to care for someone who could have prevented their disease but chose not to."

"You kind of go into it thinking, 'Okay, I'm not going to feel bad for this person, because they make their own choice,'" Cobia said. "But then you actually see them, you see them face to face, and it really changes your whole perspective, because they're still just a person that thinks that they made the best decision that they could with the information that they have, and all the misinformation that's out there. And now all you really see is their fear and their regret. And even though I may walk into the room thinking, 'Okay, this is your fault, you did this to yourself,' when I leave the room, I just see a person that's really suffering, and that is so regretful for the choice that they made."

She compared the current surge to October and November, just before Alabama's experienced its December peak and she was "signing 10 death certificates a day." She added that she fears "impending doom" as children go back to school with 70 percent of Alabama's population unvaccinated.

Cobia herself contracted COVID-19 last July despite taking every precaution, but experienced only mild symptoms. She got vaccinated as soon as possible, even though she was breastfeeding at the time, after consulting with her primary doctor and her OBGYN.

"I try to be very non-judgmental when I'm getting a new COVID patient that's unvaccinated, but I really just started asking them, 'Why haven't you gotten the vaccine?' And I'll just ask it point blank, in the least judgmental way possible," Cobia said. "And most of them, they're very honest, they give me answers. 'I talked to this person, I saw this thing on Facebook, I got this email, I saw this on the news,' you know, these are all the reasons that I didn't get vaccinated. And the one question that I always ask them is, did you make an appointment with your primary care doctor and ask them for their opinion on whether or not you should receive the vaccine? And so far, nobody has answered yes to that question."

https://www.rawstory.com/unvaccinated-patients/


I’m sorry, but it’s too late’: Alabama doctor on treating unvaccinated, dying COVID patients

Dr. Brytney Cobia said Monday that all but one of her COVID patients in Alabama did not receive the vaccine. The vaccinated patient, she said, just needed a little oxygen and is expected to fully recover. Some of the others are dying.

“I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections,” wrote Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, in an emotional Facebook post Sunday. “One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late.”

Three COVID-19 vaccines have been widely available in Alabama for months now, yet the state is last in the nation in vaccination rate, with only 33.7 percent of the population fully vaccinated. COVID-19 case numbers and hospitalizations are surging yet again due to the more contagious Delta variant of the virus and Alabama’s low vaccination rate.

For the first year and a half of the pandemic, Cobia and hundreds of other Alabama physicians caring for critically ill COVID-19 patients worked themselves to the bone trying to save as many as possible.

“Back in 2020 and early 2021, when the vaccine wasn’t available, it was just tragedy after tragedy after tragedy,” Cobia told AL.com this week. “You know, so many people that did all the right things, and yet still came in, and were critically ill and died.”

In the United States, COVID is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated, according to the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In Alabama, state officials report 94% of COVID hospital patients and 96% of Alabamians who have died of COVID since April were not fully vaccinated.

“A few days later when I call time of death,” continued Cobia on Facebook, “I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same.”

“They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives.”

More than 11,400 Alabamians have died of COVID so far, but midway through 2021, caring for COVID patients is a different story than it was in the beginning. Cobia said it’s different mentally and emotionally to care for someone who could have prevented their disease but chose not to.

“You kind of go into it thinking, ‘Okay, I’m not going to feel bad for this person, because they make their own choice,’” Cobia said. “But then you actually see them, you see them face to face, and it really changes your whole perspective, because they’re still just a person that thinks that they made the best decision that they could with the information that they have, and all the misinformation that’s out there.

“And now all you really see is their fear and their regret. And even though I may walk into the room thinking, ‘Okay, this is your fault, you did this to yourself,’ when I leave the room, I just see a person that’s really suffering, and that is so regretful for the choice that they made.”

Cobia said that the strain wears on healthcare workers after the trauma of 2020 and 2021.

“It’s really hard because all of us physicians and other medical staff, we’ve been doing this for a long time and all of us are very, at this point, tired and emotionally drained and cynical,” she said.

Cobia said the current wave of Delta patients reminds her of the time in October and November of 2020, just before Alabama’s peak of coronavirus cases and deaths.

“What we saw in December 2020, and January 2021, that was the absolute peak, the height of the pandemic, where I was signing 10 death certificates a day,” she said. “Now, it’s certainly not like that, but it’s very reminiscent of probably October, November of 2020, where we know there’s a lot of big things coming up.”

Cobia worries that the upcoming school year will lead to a similar surge.

"All these kids are about to go back to school. No mask mandates are in place at all, 70% of Alabama is unvaccinated. Of course, no kids are vaccinated for the most part because they can’t be,” Cobia said. “So it feels like impending doom, basically.”

Cobia also had a personal experience with the virus, contracting it in July while 27 weeks pregnant with her second child. Her symptoms were mild and the child, Carter, was delivered early out of caution but suffered no serious complications.

Her husband, Miles, is also a physician, and the couple says they were both extremely cautious about wearing protective equipment but one of them still caught the virus and gave it to the other, as well as other family members.

“We still went to work but we masked 100% of the time,” Cobia said. “We didn’t go anywhere or do anything, we ordered through Shipt for all of our groceries, we did nothing at the time.”

Cobia said she delivered in September without incident and got the vaccine herself in December when it was made available to healthcare workers.

“I did not hesitate to get it,” she said. “There was a lot unknown at that time, because I was still breastfeeding about whether that was safe or not. I talked to as many other physician colleagues as I could and spoke with my OB as far as data that she had available and decided to continue breastfeeding after vaccination.”

For people who are hesitant to receive the vaccine, Cobia recommends speaking to their primary care physician about their concerns, just as she did.

“I try to be very non-judgmental when I’m getting a new COVID patient that’s unvaccinated, but I really just started asking them, ‘Why haven’t you gotten the vaccine?’ And I’ll just ask it point blank, in the least judgmental way possible,” she said. “And most of them, they’re very honest, they give me answers. ‘I talked to this person, I saw this thing on Facebook, I got this email, I saw this on the news,’ you know, these are all the reasons that I didn’t get vaccinated.

“And the one question that I always ask them is, did you make an appointment with your primary care doctor and ask them for their opinion on whether or not you should receive the vaccine? And so far, nobody has answered yes to that question.”

https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-sorry-but-its-too-late-alabama-doctor-on-treating-unvaccinated-dying-covid-patients.html


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4140 on: July 22, 2021, 02:10:32 AM »


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4141 on: July 22, 2021, 03:45:55 AM »

Now the same question. How can the vaccination be better than having actually had the disease and your body actually having fought off the disease? Over half the population was estimated to have been exposed. I would think having had the disease would be better than the vaccine.

Because it is.

I am not any kind of a medical expert. Eighteen months ago, when I first heard of COVID-19, I made the same assumption as you. How could a vaccine, any vaccine, give you a stronger immune response, then actually getting the disease?

But it turns that that the COVID-19 vaccine, and vaccines in general, give you much stronger immunity than the disease itself. I know, it goes against common sense, but that it the reality. The vast majority of medical experts and scientists say this is true, and this opinion is well supported by the data. I don’t know the technical explanation. It has something to do with the vaccine containing something that really kicks starts an immune response. The regular disease does not provide this “kick start”. So, the disease alone, if survived, does cause an immune response, but not a real strong immune response. Only the vaccine does that.

Many people who got COVID-19 but recovered, end up getting sick again. Sometimes the first infection causes minor problems, but no need for a hospital stay. But the second infection major problems. Requiring hospital stays, requiring being hooked up to a machine to breathe and often resulting in death.

By the way, going on a beathing tube is so uncomfortable, they have to knock you out with drugs before hooking you up. And keep you knocked out while hooked up. Most people do not survive going on a breathing tube. If you get sick and the doctors tell you they have to put you on a breathing tube right now, it is probably the last thing you will ever hear. Only a ‘fortunate’ minority wake up again, almost certainly with major complications. And the second half of there life won’t be as good as the first.

In contrast, people who are vaccinated may get the disease, but rarely have to go to the hospital and much more rarely die from it. Even from the new types of COVID-19.

Even with the new mutations, the vaccine gives very good protection. This may be true a year from now, two years from now, or maybe longer. Certainly, better protection than no vaccine at all. Certainly, better than just surviving a previous infection.

Trust the science. Trust the medical experts. Don’t play Russian roulette and assume “It didn’t kill me last time so it won’t kill me next time”. Get the vaccine.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4142 on: July 22, 2021, 05:05:15 AM »

Now the same question. How can the vaccination be better than having actually had the disease and your body actually having fought off the disease? Over half the population was estimated to have been exposed. I would think having had the disease would be better than the vaccine.

Actually, on second thought, I have better advice.

Make a list of the reasons why you don’t think you should get the vaccine:

1.   You already had the virus and you think there is no way a vaccine can give you more protection than catching and getting over the virus itself.
2.   Etc.

Get all the reasons on paper. Then make an appointment to talk to your doctor. A doctor that you trust. For a regular checkup. And ask him his opinion for your reasons. He can give a much better explanation than I can.

If the doctor answers your questions to your satisfaction, then go get the vaccine. Don’t go home and sleep on it and come up with another five reasons why you think you don’t need a vaccine. If your subconscious mind is just dead set against getting a vaccine it will always generate new reasons that will seem plausible to you.

By the way, the Delta variant spreads more readily and seems more deadly than the old version, to the unvaccinated, even those who recovered from COVID-19 before. It doubles every two weeks. So, you are running short of time before you get COVID-19 again. And this time, it might be a lot worse. In the meantime, wear masks and practice social distancing. Whatever precaution you took before, it wasn’t enough so you need to re-double your efforts until two weeks after your second vaccination, which you are at least six weeks away from. At this late date, you should consider the Johnson and Johnson vaccine which will give you maximum protection 4 weeks early.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4143 on: July 22, 2021, 06:09:49 AM »

Once a week, on Wednesdays, I collect statistics on the number of COVID-19 cases in the country and in my state. I calculate the number of new cases of COVID-19 per million people. From my statistics from last fall and winter, I know, when the rates get up to 1,000 new cases, per 1,000,000 people, per day, the hospitals start running out of room. This may be surprising, but are hospital capacity is based on the assumption that not everyone is going to get sick at the same time. And assumption that can go out the window during a pandemic.
Up to June 23, 2021, midsummer, the rates were gradually dropping.

What have they done since then, for the United States as a whole, is shown below:

June 23, 2021   36   new cases, per 1,000,000 people, per day
June 30, 2021   40   new cases, per 1,000,000 people, per day
July 7, 2021   45   new cases, per 1,000,000 people, per day
July 14, 2021   88   new cases, per 1,000,000 people, per day
July 21, 2021   129   new cases, per 1,000,000 people, per day

And below are the numbers for California:

June 23, 2021   24   new cases, per 1,000,000 people, per day
June 30, 2021   17   new cases, per 1,000,000 people, per day
July 7, 2021   42   new cases, per 1,000,000 people, per day
July 14, 2021   72   new cases, per 1,000,000 people, per day
July 21, 2021   128   new cases, per 1,000,000 people, per day

For both the United States and California, the number of new cases double every 11 days or so. At this rate our hospitals will be reaching capacity by the end of next month, August.

Of course, this is not a problem for me. I have been vaccinated. Unless:

a.   At 66 years old I suddenly need the hospital due to illness or injury, but I can’t get proper treatment because the hospitals are clotted up with the unvaccinated.
b.   A new mutation comes along for which the vaccine is totally ineffective against.

The first possibility is far more likely than the second.

My recommendation, if you are not vaccinated.
1.   Get vaccinated as soon as possible. Get the Johnson and Johnson version if you can, so you will be out of danger after two weeks instead of after six weeks.
2.   In the meantime, use masks and social distance like mad. More than you did last winter.
It’s too late just to get the vaccine and leave it at that. You have already squandered too much time. You must get the vaccine. And then take mask and other precautions to carry you through the next two to six weeks, during which time the vaccine can’t give much help. At least during the first two weeks.

Masks and social distancing will likely work for a month or two, but won’t work forever. Eventually, the virus will find the unvaccinated. This Delta version is no joke.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4143 on: July 22, 2021, 06:09:49 AM »