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Trump called Putin "smart" and his actions "genius" and "savvy."
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There are a lot of evil geniuses in history.  Trump does this to manipulate Putin.  And it works like a charm since the Russians did not invade Ukraine during his administration (as opposed to Obama and Biden).  Results matter.   Trump has condemned the invasion.   You know that but it doesn't suit your desired narrative.  Meanwhile Biden took the weekend off.

"The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling, it's an outrage and an atrocity that should never have been allowed to occur.  We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all."

Donald J. Trump (statement on 02/26/22)

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« Reply #4762 on: March 01, 2022, 05:44:02 AM »
There are a lot of evil geniuses in history.  Trump does this to manipulate Putin. And it works like a charm since the Russians did not invade Ukraine during his administration (as opposed to Obama and Biden).  Results matter.   Trump has condemned the invasion.   You know that but it doesn't suit your desired narrative. Meanwhile Biden took the weekend off.

"The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling, it's an outrage and an atrocity that should never have been allowed to occur.  We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all."

Donald J. Trump (statement on 02/26/22)

Neville Chamberlain's appeasement towards Hitler didn't "work like a charm", did it? He kept giving more until Hitler got what he needed to make his big move.

Donald Trump is the modern day era Neville Chamberlain who gave his puppet master Putin whatever he wanted so there was no need for him to take any action then  He had his "yes man" Donald Trump do whatever he asked of him like weakening NATO, causing chaos in the US to weaken our democracy, and pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty which weakened Ukraine and our allies. All of those actions were designed to soften up Ukraine for Putin to make his big play to invade Ukraine. And look what happened because of it.     

37 times Trump was soft on Russia
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics/trump-soft-on-russia/index.html

We all know the game Donnie plays. He did the same thing regarding the neo nazis in Charlottesville. He praises them, and after he takes enough heat for it, he puts out a phony condemnation a couple of days later but still praises them in the very same sentence. Right wingers then can claim he condemned it as he still continues the praise of Putin. It's just one big phony charade. Twitter all over the world is still condemning Donnie over his praise of Putin. And that's what matters, not the phony right wing spin that's only consumed by a small portion of the population. Even Howard Stern blasted Donnie today for praising Putin. Any normal thinking person would blast Donnie for praising a murderer.

Trump forced to walk back his praise for Putin after Republicans recoil from Ukraine invasion
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2656804549/

Stern: Trump shouldn't praise 'animal' Putin
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/596164-stern-trump-shouldnt-praise-f-ing-animal-putin

And President Biden did not "take the weekend off". Just more bogus right wing propaganda. The President is busy rallying the entire world together and imposing crippling sanctions to defeat this lunatic Putin while Donnie praises him like a coward.         

Biden administration expands sanctions against Russia, cutting off U.S. transactions with central bank
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/28/biden-administration-expands-russia-sanctions-cuts-off-us-transactions-with-central-bank.html

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« Reply #4763 on: March 01, 2022, 12:25:05 PM »
Here's another meme being retweeted all over the world on Twitter this morning under the hashtag #TraitorTrumpPutinsPuppet. 


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4764 on: March 01, 2022, 01:31:51 PM »
Even a month before Donald "Neville Chamberlain" Trump began to destroy America, he was already appeasing his puppet master Putin. He entered from a position of weakness and let Putin have whatever he wanted right off the bat weakening America and our allies which was the intended goal. As a result, we have the crisis in Ukraine today. If you look at the italic bold lettering below which comes from the posted article, it clearly states that Putin desired to have a pro Russian regime in Damascus and he held only one military base in Syria. Well, all he had to do was get what he wanted from his puppet Donald "Neville Chamberlain" Trump which was the reason he installed his Russian asset in the first place. Keep in mind this article was written in 2016, a month before Donnie could give away the store to Putin. Fast forward to 2019 and you can see Putin's puppet Trump delivering the goods just as expected.       

"Meanwhile, in Syria, the United States also has something that Putin desires: support for (or acquiescence in) a pro-Russian regime in Damascus. In strategic terms, Syria matters far more for Russia than for the United States. Syria is the location for Russia’s only military base outside the former Soviet Union. And Putin is now embroiled in a high-stakes military operation to save Assad’s regime." - December 2016

Russia lands forces at former U.S. air base in northern Syria
The move comes after U.S. President Donald Trump abruptly ordered the withdrawal of U.S. troops from parts of Syria last month.
November 15, 2019
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-russia/russia-lands-forces-at-former-u-s-air-base-in-northern-syria-idUSKBN1XP0XN

Russian Flags Over an American Base
Trump’s reckless Syria policy makes America less safe and empowers Putin’s Russia.
DEC 6, 2019
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/russian-flags-american-base/

US troops and their allies feel humiliated after abandoning their bases in Syria to be taken over by gleeful Russians
October 16, 2019
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-troops-humiliated-abandoned-bases-syria-russians-2019-10

So, Donnie abruptly moved troops out of Syria for no other reason except for giving Putin the main thing he desired which was a stronger presence in Syria. Donnie just gave up and handed our bases over to Putin like the good little puppet he is humiliating our troops and allies. But most importantly, making America and the world less safe while making Russia stronger.

When you hear right wingers push their propaganda that Trump was "tough" and "Putin didn't invade during his white house occupation", kindly point them to these articles and tell them "why would he, when his Russian asset Donald "Neville Chamberlain" Trump was giving him everything he wanted".

The fact is Donald Trump is a weak Putin stooge who severely damaged the United States and entire world in just 4 years and we're paying the price for it now. 

People should remember all of this happening because we all lived through it nearly 3 years ago. The main article below details the beginning of Donnie's appeasement as a true red Russian stooge and why he was installed by Putin to deliver the goods.           


Trump, Putin, and the Art of Appeasement
The famed deal maker seems intent on giving away American leverage for nothing.

DECEMBER 15, 2016

Donald Trump’s Russia strategy is based on making a series of one-sided concessions in the hopes of luring Moscow into a more positive global relationship. There’s a name for this approach: appeasement. A man who ran for office as the ultimate negotiator is intent on giving away the store on Crimea and Syria for free—and it’s unlikely to reap much of a dividend.

Appeasement is a pejorative phrase because of the association with appeasing Hitler in the 1930s. Indeed, making unilateral concessions to aggressive dictators in the hope of satiating their appetite is unlikely to work. But appeasement can actually be effective when leaders are dealing with a regime that has defensive goals and reasonable grievances. Accommodating a rival’s gripes could potentially convert an enemy into a friend. For example, in the late 19th century, Britain decided that a rising Germany was more of a threat than the United States, and chose to appease Washington on a range of issues in the Western Hemisphere. As a result, Anglo-American relations entered smoother waters and the two countries became allies in the world wars. Is Russia a good candidate for appeasement?

In 2014, following the toppling of a pro-Russian regime in Ukraine, Russian forces seized control of the Ukrainian province of Crimea, held a referendum of dubious legitimacy to determine control (which found widespread support for incorporation into Russia), and then promptly annexed the territory. In response, Western states imposed sanctions on Russian banks and corporations that Putin admitted have hurt the Russian economy.

Putin craves international recognition of Russian Crimea and the lifting of sanctions. Only eight countries currently recognize Moscow’s annexation, and it’s an awkward squad of leftist Latin American regimes (Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela), a founding member of the “Axis of Evil” (North Korea), a regime whose leader has been indicted by the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity and war crimes (Sudan), an African country facing economic collapse (Zimbabwe), and an embattled ally that has murdered thousands of its own citizens (Syria). Moscow desperately needs a few respectable countries to accept the new status of Crimea. The ultimate prize would be U.S. recognition because of Washington’s global power and the possibility of inducing American allies to follow suit.

The problem for Putin is that the United States would be expected to sell this endorsement for a very high price. After all, Moscow values it highly. Russia’s territorial aggrandizement also clearly violated global norms. And Russia has no obvious point of counter-leverage. Moscow has oil and gas but the United States is increasingly energy independent.

Therefore, Washington should make the process of recognizing Russian Crimea so prolonged, painful, and expensive that it deters Putin from launching similar adventures elsewhere. This means years of tough negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. It means an internationally supervised referendum in Crimea (which Russia would probably win). And it means compensation for Kiev—to the tune of billions of dollars.

But rather than dust off The Art of the Deal and drive a hard bargain, Trump has chosen the alternative path of appeasement. His strategy is to recognize Russian Crimea in return for nothing. In July, Trump was asked whether he would recognize Russia Crimea and lift sanctions, and simply responded: “Yes. We would be looking at that.” In August, he added “the people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were.”

That sound was American leverage vanishing into the air.

Meanwhile, in Syria, the United States also has something that Putin desires: support for (or acquiescence in) a pro-Russian regime in Damascus. In strategic terms, Syria matters far more for Russia than for the United States. Syria is the location for Russia’s only military base outside the former Soviet Union. And Putin is now embroiled in a high-stakes military operation to save Assad’s regime.

The tentative peace process in Syria revolves around key questions. Could Bashar al-Assad temporarily stay in power in a new transitional regime? Could Moscow’s security interests be guaranteed? These are negotiable issues. The United States could answer in the affirmative in return for Russian concessions elsewhere, for example, on protecting human rights or accepting a more inclusive government.

Once again, we might expect Washington to engage in some pretty hard-nosed bargaining. If Moscow wants the U.S. to offer security guarantees, there’s a price to pay. And Putin can’t offer much in return. He might promise to step up the campaign against ISIS but the extremist group is already in retreat.

Rather than engage in diplomatic punch and counter-punch, however, Trump decided to appease Putin. He praised Assad for being “much tougher and much smarter” than Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, and said toppling the tyrant would mean, “you may very well end up with worse than Assad.”

In Crimea and Syria, Putin is like a used car salesman who is desperate to sell a piece of junk. Trump is a potential buyer, who has many other cars available for purchase, and can easily threaten to walk away. Instead, Trump announces that he’s smitten with the vehicle and wants to pay the full sticker price.

It’s a striking departure from the Cold War, when the United States and the Soviet Union reached tough deals on arms control. Henry Kissinger described negotiations “as a weapon for seizing the moral and psychological high ground … it is a device to improve one’s strategic position.”

Will Trump’s abandonment of bargaining and endorsement of appeasement improve America’s strategic position? For sure, Putin is no Hitler. The Russian leader is not set on waging war. Moscow’s interventions in Georgia in 2008, Ukraine in 2014, and Syria in 2015, were all designed to save embattled allies.

But Russia is also far removed from the United States circa 1900. Moscow’s desire for recognition of its seizure of Crimea, and its interest in maintain a tyrant in power in Syria are not legitimate grievances. Neither is there any evidence that satisfying Putin’s wishes will lead the Trump administration into the sunlit uplands of Russian-U.S. cooperation. Putin seeks to restore Russian power by undermining the global liberal order based on institutions like NATO and the European Union, and by meddling in the U.S. election. Rather than being converted into a pillar of global stability, Putin is likely to pocket Trump’s concessions and look for more gains elsewhere.

The art of the deal became the art of the fold.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/12/trump-putin-and-the-art-of-appeasement/510767/

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« Reply #4765 on: March 01, 2022, 02:35:48 PM »
Neville Chamberlain's appeasement towards Hitler didn't "work like a charm", did it? He kept giving more until Hitler got what he needed to make his big move.

Donald Trump is the modern day era Neville Chamberlain who gave his puppet master Putin whatever he wanted so there was no need for him to take any action then  He had his "yes man" Donald Trump do whatever he asked of him like weakening NATO, causing chaos in the US to weaken our democracy, and pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty which weakened Ukraine and our allies. All of those actions were designed to soften up Ukraine for Putin to make his big play to invade Ukraine. And look what happened because of it.     



Can you understand why that is perhaps the dumbest and absolutely false analogy in history?  Here are a couple of hints:  1) Trump is not president; and 2) There was no invasion or war on Trump's watch.  LOL.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4766 on: March 01, 2022, 11:24:27 PM »
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« Reply #4767 on: March 01, 2022, 11:31:58 PM »
Trump wouldn't understand because he is an absolute MORON. 4 years of praising and appeasing Putin got us in this disaster. The great "dealmaker" at work folks. What an absolute joke. Anybody who defends this clown is a bigger moron than Criminal Donald.

Fiona Hill: Putin warned he would use nukes -- but Trump didn't understand what he was saying



One of the world's foremost experts on Russia and Vladimir Putin believes there's a grave risk of nuclear war after his invasion of Ukraine.

Fiona Hill, the former National Security Council staffer who testified against Donald Trump in his first impeachment saga, told Politico that Putin's invasion of Ukraine was part of a broader war against liberal democracies and posed a potentially existential risk to the world order.

“Ukraine has become the front line in a struggle, not just between democracies and autocracies but in a struggle for maintaining a rules-based system in which the things that countries want are not taken by force,” Hill said. “Every country in the world should be paying close attention to this.”

Putin has repeatedly made it clear that using nuclear weapons was a real possibility, well before he put Russia’s nuclear forces on high alert, but Hill said former president Donald Trump apparently failed to recognize the gravity of his warnings.

"Putin tried to warn Trump about this, but I don’t think Trump figured out what he was saying," Hill said. "In one of the last meetings between Putin and Trump when I was there, Putin was making the point that: 'Well you know, Donald, we have these hypersonic missiles,' and Trump was saying, 'Well, we will get them too.' Putin was saying, 'Well, yes, you will get them eventually, but we’ve got them first.'"

"There was a menace in this exchange," Hill added. "Putin was putting us on notice that if push came to shove in some confrontational environment that the nuclear option would be on the table."

Putin has already used a type of nuclear weapons with the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko with radioactive polonium, which killed the former spy and spread radioactive material around London, and he has used nerve agents to poison other political enemies.

"So if anybody thinks that Putin wouldn’t use something that he’s got that is unusual and cruel, think again," Hill said. "Every time you think, 'No, he wouldn’t, would he?' Well, yes, he would, and he wants us to know that, of course. It’s not that we should be intimidated and scared. That’s exactly what he wants us to be. We have to prepare for those contingencies and figure out what is it that we’re going to do to head them off."

Hill has written a highly regarded biography of Putin, and she said his recent behavior appears to be a bit more unhinged than his usual closely guarded public appearances.

"Putin is usually more cynical and calculated than he came across in his most recent speeches," she said. "There’s evident visceral emotion in things that he said in the past few weeks justifying the war in Ukraine. The pretext is completely flimsy and almost nonsensical for anybody who’s not in the echo chamber or the bubble of propaganda in Russia itself. I mean, demanding to the Ukrainian military that they essentially overthrow their own government or lay down their arms and surrender because they are being commanded by a bunch of drug-addled Nazi fascists? There’s just no sense to that. It beggars the imagination."

Hill also worries that Putin has become a bit unbalanced during his pandemic isolation and has become obsessed with re-establishing historic borders of the Russian empire.

"I’ve kind of quipped about this but I also worry about it in all seriousness — that Putin’s been down in the archives of the Kremlin during Covid looking through old maps and treaties and all the different borders that Russia has had over the centuries," she said. "He’s said, repeatedly, that Russian and European borders have changed many times, and in his speeches, he’s gone after various former Russian and Soviet leaders, he’s gone after Lenin and he’s gone after the communists, because in his view they ruptured the Russian empire, they lost Russian lands in the revolution, and yes, Stalin brought some of them back into the fold again like the Baltic States and some of the lands of Ukraine that had been divided up during World War II, but they were lost again with the dissolution of the USSR."

"Putin’s view is that borders change," she added, "and so the borders of the old Russian imperium are still in play for Moscow to dominate now."

NOW WATCH: Putin will escalate to 'scorched earth' campaign in the next 48-hours according to Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling


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