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« Reply #4816 on: March 10, 2022, 08:48:12 PM »
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« Reply #4817 on: March 10, 2022, 11:27:13 PM »
Merrick Garland says DOJ may prosecute Trump for Jan. 6: 'We are not avoiding political cases'



Attorney general Merrick Garland pledged that the Department of Justice would not shy away from Jan. 6 evidence that implicates Donald Trump or his inner circle.

The House select committee has asserted that Trump committed multiple criminal acts as he sought to overturn his 2020 election loss, and the attorney general assured NPR that the Justice Department would pursue charges against anyone involved in the U.S. Capitol riot who violated the law.

"We are not avoiding cases that are political or cases that are controversial or sensitive," Garland told NPR. "What we are avoiding is making decisions on a political basis, on a partisan basis."

Garland said the department had already allocated massive resources to investigating and prosecuting activity related to the insurrection.

"Every FBI office, almost every U.S. attorney's office in the country is working on this matter," Garland said. "We've issued thousands of subpoenas, seized and examined thousands of electronic devices, examined terabytes of data, thousands of hours of videos. People are working every day, 24-7, and are fully aware of how important this is. This had to do with the interference with the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to another, and it doesn't get more important than that."

Prosecutors won their first conviction this week in federal court against a Jan. 6 rioter with the guilty verdict against former Texas oil worker Guy Reffitt, and that followed a guilty plea to seditious conspiracy by an Alabama man who was affiliated with the Oath Keepers militia.

"We begin with the cases that are right in front of us with the overt actions and then we build from there, and that is a process that we will continue to build until we hold everyone accountable who committed criminal acts with respect to Jan. 6," Garland said.'


Garland says the Jan. 6 investigation won't end until everyone is held accountable

On his first anniversary as attorney general, Merrick Garland said he's committed to unraveling the conspiracy behind the storming of the U.S. Capitol, in what he calls "the most urgent investigation in the history of the Justice Department."

Members of the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 riot have asserted that former President Donald Trump could be charged with conspiracy and obstruction for his actions. But Democrats in Congress and even some of Garland's friends have worried he'll shy away from the political firestorm that would result from charging a former commander in chief with a crime.

"We are not avoiding cases that are political or cases that are controversial or sensitive," the attorney general said in an exclusive interview with NPR. "What we are avoiding is making decisions on a political basis, on a partisan basis."

This week, prosecutors won their first convictions in federal court in a Jan. 6 case against former Texas oil worker Guy Reffitt. That followed a guilty plea to seditious conspiracy by an Alabama man affiliated with the far-right Oath Keepers militia.

"We begin with the cases that are right in front of us with the overt actions and then we build from there," Garland said. "And that is a process that we will continue to build until we hold everyone accountable who committed criminal acts with respect to Jan. 6."

Garland discussed his wide remit, where the priorities range from price-fixing in the chicken industry to Russian oligarchs financing the war in Ukraine with ill-gotten gains. Here are highlights from the interview:

Listen here: https://www.npr.org/2022/03/10/1085016383/garland-says-the-jan-6-investigation-wont-end-until-everyone-is-held-to-account

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4818 on: March 10, 2022, 11:59:29 PM »
Merrick Garland says DOJ may prosecute Trump for Jan. 6: 'We are not avoiding political cases'



Yes, and you "may" win the Noble Prize.  LOL.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4819 on: March 11, 2022, 12:01:06 AM »
4 years of weakness from Criminal Donald got us where we are today. Right wingers can't rewrite history since we already lived through his disaster and we have the documents to back up the facts. Donnie gave his puppet master Putin whatever he wanted and embarrassed our country with his weakness on the world stage. Donnie was able to soften up Ukraine which allowed Putin to begin his invasion. Putin's war and illegal invasion has made gas prices go up with inflation, but the fake lying right wing media wants to blame President Biden instead of the orange traitor who caused this mess for 4 long years. Here's another fine example of weak Donnie Trump who made this whole war possible.

Donald Trump in Helsinki was terrifying. Cancel the Washington sequel.
Vanity and vulnerability, not strategy, are driving Donald Trump's Russia policy. His Helsinki performance was terrifying. Cancel the sequel.

July 24, 2018


Weak and defeated Donnie lumbers behind his puppet master

The confusion, chaos, and political firestorm generated by the Helsinki summit have hardly dissipated. Yet President Donald Trump, ever the (un)reality TV show maestro, has already announced plans for the second episode in Washington this fall.

We will spare you the suspense: Without the promise of what diplomats call “deliverables,” there's no reason for the sequel. Indeed, there are plenty of compelling reasons to cancel the show. Trump, however, has his own personal, political, and egotistical reasons for engaging Russian President Vladimir Putin; and unfortunately they have very little to do with advancing U.S. national interests.

There was no foreign policy strategy or well-defined set of objectives for the Helsinki summit. Had there been no news conference, the summit would have been shrugged off as another presidential photo-op. But Trump’s performance revealed a terrifying reality — a president incapable of seeing national interests through any filter other than his own ego, political needs and anxieties. Rather than hold Putin accountable for interfering in U.S. elections, he obsessed over  Clinton’s emails and threw the U.S. Intelligence Community under a bus.

Putin savaged Trump

Helsinki wasn’t about foreign policy at all; it was designed to advance and protect Trump’s personal Putin agenda — either his fear that Russia has leverage over him, his clear preference for dealing with authoritarians over America’s democratic allies, or his contrarian desire to give the middle finger to all those who dared to warn him not to deal with Putin one-on-one. There’s no reason to think a reprise will be any different, particularly if, as is likely, the president has another long private meeting with Putin. 

After his ill-fated encounter with Russian Premier Nikita Khruschev in June 1961, President John F. Kennedy said that "he savaged me.’’ Trump may not have known it immediately but Putin did the same to him.

The Russian president’s comment that he favored Trump over Clinton in the 2016 elections fed the narrative of Russian interference. Putin’s mastery of the issues dominated the news conference, making Trump look weak and clueless by comparison. Trump’s failure to raise publicly any of Putin’s transgressions in Ukraine and Syria and his acceptance of Putin’s denial of election interference all paint a picture of a groveling American leader eager to suck up to rather than stand up to Putin.

For those keeping score, Trump treated Putin and Russia as America’s equal; ameliorated Russia’s isolation; created the clear sense that he preferred the Russian leader to America’s traditional allies; and got nothing in return other than an agreement to begin regular working level dialogues on a range of issues — something that could have been arranged in a phone call or exchange of letters between the two leaders. When Putin handed Trump the World Cup soccer ball, quipping, "the ball is in your court," that said it all.

Trump’s desire to improve U.S.-Russian relations is understandable; they are the worst in post-Cold War history and the two countries have important shared interests to advance — combating the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, global terrorism and Islamic Jihadism and further reducing nuclear weapons — and differences to manage, notably over Ukraine and Syria. And then of course there is Putin’s enduring desire to undermine democracy in America and among its allies, to sow discord within NATO and to enervate the EU — an agenda that Trump, incomprehensibly, appears to embrace.

In a normal administration, with a president focused on the national interest and demanding serious planning and preparations by a well-oiled bureaucratic machinery, summits can be productive. But in the bizarro world of the Trump administration, there is little evidence to suggest that the dysfunctional national security team has the discipline or the organization to do serious summit preparations and planning for Summit II.

Vanity and vulnerability drive Trump

Moreover, Trump's notions of a U.S.-Russian détente are completely at odds with the reality that the bureaucracy, Congress, the news media and the Washington foreign policy establishment intensely dislike what they see as Trump’s appeasement of Putin. And the two sides are far apart in their positions on Ukraine, Syria, and NATO activities in eastern Europe. 

A sequel summit might make progress on nuclear arms control and specifically extending the duration of the New START treaty that expires in 2021. But it is hard to escape the conclusion that Trump, furious and flummoxed over the unremitting bipartisan criticism and negative public reaction to his Helsinki performance, wants another chance to demonstrate both that he doesn’t give a damn about his critics and that he can hold his own with the cagey Putin on the world stage.

Vanity and personal vulnerability are driving Trump’s Russia policy, not sound strategy. And that’s very bad for America and anyone who cares about the nation’s security at home and abroad.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/07/24/cancel-donald-trump-vladimir-putin-helsinki-sequel-column/816245002/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4820 on: March 11, 2022, 12:43:55 AM »
So, Trump's Qanon cult and these convoy trucker morons supports Putin and says he is a "good guy".

Does a "good guy" bomb entire cities murdering innocent women, children, and the elderly? That's what Putin is doing to people in Ukraine. He is murdering them. Trump's Qanon cult base supports Putin.

These Trump cult membere are just a bunch of anti American traitors. They push outright lies to falsley smear our President which gives comfort and aid to Putin . They bash our President who is doing everything possible to save our democracy from these right wing fascists who want to overthrow our democracy. Our President is doing everything possible to stop this madman in which Donald Trump has made more powerful with 4 years of weakness.

Putin stooge Tucker Carlson sings Putin's praises each night on tv while the GOP traitors in congress bash our President giving comfort and aid to Putin. Compromised Putin stooge Donnie Trump repeatedly praises Putin calling him a "genius" for illegaly invading Ukraine. This propaganda and praise allows the MAGA cult to support Putin.     

The entire world and our allies is behind President Biden to defeat Putin, and so are true American patriots who stand for real freedom and democracy. Only the traitors bash our President and support Putin. All of these Putin loving commies should go to Russia and they can live under Putin. They are an absolute disgrace.                 

'He's a good guy!' Trucker convoy supporter explains why he likes Vladimir Putin
https://www.rawstory.com/peoples-convoy-2656909634/

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« Reply #4821 on: March 11, 2022, 10:24:36 AM »
Donnie was afraid to call his puppet master Putin "evil" even as his "informal advisor" Sean Hannity was prodding him to say it on tv. Donnie knew Putin would be watching when Russian State television broadcasted Faux Propaganda in Moscow. What a weak gutless coward Donnie is.

Hannity tries to get Trump to call Putin 'evil' -- and Trump changes the subject
https://www.rawstory.com/hannity-and-trump-putin/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4822 on: March 11, 2022, 10:41:47 AM »
Like I said before, 4 years of weakness under Criminal Donald got us where we are today. We all lived through it and we have the documented evidence to prove what a disastrous 4 years we went through. Glad we have strong effective leadership once again with President Joe Biden.

In Helsinki, Trump shows his weakness for Putin to the world

The Sydney Morning Herald

July 17, 2018




Helsinki: This was a disaster for Donald Trump on his own terms, not just in the eyes of the "fake news" media he so often derides.

Trump is the American Beauty president. His theme has been the movie’s memorable line uttered by a gun-loving real estate king: “In order to be successful, one must project an image of success.”

But this was American Ugly. Trump projected nothing but weakness in his press conference after hours of talks with his Russian counterpart on Monday.

Texas Republican congressman Will Hurd, a former CIA official, said: "I've seen Russian intelligence manipulate many people over my professional career and I never would have thought that the US President would become one of the ones getting played by old KGB hands."
 
Trump’s Europe tour has until now been chaotic but, in the eyes of his fans, defensible.

His fans can put up with, or rationalise, a lot.

But they demand patriotism and they expect America to be made great.

When the second-highest story on Fox News’ website is “Losing Bigly? Putin eats Trump’s lunch in shocking Helsinki summit”, you know he’s screwed up.

In the last seven days Trump has rattled NATO’s cage, demanding they increase defence funding generously and immediately.

He dismissed British Prime Minister Theresa May for not delivering a Brexit that would give the US and Britain a strong trade deal.

All these attacks on allies could be variously apologised for, contextualised or explained as a plain-spoken, confident President interested not in old alliances but the naked interests of America.

Trump’s election-winning message has always been that America must project power in order to win, and winning is everything. All relationships are negotiations and negotiations have just one victor.

But Trump rolled over and invited Putin to tickle him. Putin handed him a soccer ball, and Trump gave it to his son. You’d hope the intelligence services will check it for bugs.

Trump had boldly predicted he and Putin would come out of Helsinki with a new, game-changing relationship. He hoped they could be friends.

He tried, in more subdued tones than his usual bombast, to claim it had gone that way after the meeting.

“Our relationship has never been worse than it is now. However, that changed as of about four hours ago. I really believe that.

“We have taken the first step toward a brighter future and one with a strong dialogue and a lot of thought.

“Our expectations are grounded in realism, but our hopes are grounded in America’s desire for friendship, cooperation and peace.”

But he had nothing concrete to show for the day’s work and he had nothing but praise for Putin – “I called him a competitor. And a good competitor he is. And I think the word competitor is a compliment”.

Asked who was at fault for their worsening relationship to date, Trump could have cited Crimea, Ukraine, MH17 (Australian blood on Russia's hands, the anniversary today), Novichok, the propping-up of a chemical weapons-wielding Syrian regime.

He could have mentioned Russia’s well-established efforts to meddle in elections not just in the US, but around the world, in close allies such as France, Germany and Britain.

No.

“I hold both countries responsible. I think that the United States has been foolish. I think we’ve all been foolish.”

The only cause of discord he could name was the US investigation into Russian interference in the presidential election. The investigation, that is, not the meddling.

He even intervened when a journalist asked Putin why Americans should believe the Russian claim that Russia did not intervene in the 2016 election, saying he was President just because he “ran a brilliant campaign”.

Asked whether he believed Putin or US intelligence agencies about Russian election meddling, Trump did not hesitate to back Putin.

“[Spy chief] Dan Coats came to me and some others, they said they think it’s Russia. I have [asked] President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it would be.”

He even swallowed Putin’s offer of Russian officials to “assist” with the investigation into their own criminality, and bizarrely called it an “incredible offer”. From the context he meant incredible in the sense of great, rather than hardly credible.

This was the one moment he should have listened to the Russian president, whose pointed comments directed at the media could just as easily be seen as a swipe at the man to his right.

“As to who is to be believed and who is not to be believed, you can trust no one,” said Putin.

“Where did you get this idea that President Trump trusts me, or I trust him? He defends the interests of the United States of America, and I do defend the interests of the Russian Federation.”

This was a summit without a clear goal. There were no potential wins, except the chance of a move on nuclear proliferation, on which there ended up being none.

The point, if any - as with much of what Trump does - was to show that he could claim wins where his predecessor couldn’t. The big opponents in his mind as evidenced by his preoccupations during the 40-minute press conference are the Democrats and Clinton and Obama in particular. He wants to be measured against them and found to be bigger.

But he fell short not just in the usual measures of international diplomacy, but in the gut instinct that drives his base.

The author of the Art of the Deal proved artless and unable to win a negotiation when it counted.

This may hurt the most.

Supporters may try to reassure themselves with mutters of “what about Obama” or “what about Clinton” or deep state and media conspiracy theories.

They will also have to spin away the coincident arrest of a Russian woman in the US on allegations Russia infiltrated the NRA - possibly with the aim to sway American politicians in favour of Russia and funnel money to Trump's campaign.

Trump may try backtracking to fix the situation, though his interview with Fox News after the meeting with Putin suggests he doesn’t want to.

He may try to brazen it out, repainting himself as the Gandhi of international love being unfairly criticised for trying to make friends.

His own approach to the rest of his tour would belie that claim.

The more likely explanation is a US president was just bent to Putin’s will.

Trump virtually admitted as much, explaining why he chose to believe Putin over his own massive intelligence complex.

“President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”

The bully-in-chief had been out-bullied.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/in-helsinki-trump-proves-his-weakness-for-putin-to-the-world-20180717-p4zrv7.html   

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4823 on: March 11, 2022, 03:06:30 PM »
Donnie was afraid to call his puppet master Putin "evil" even as his "informal advisor" Sean Hannity was prodding him to say it on tv. Donnie knew Putin would be watching when Russian State television broadcasted Faux Propaganda in Moscow. What a weak gutless coward Donnie is.

Hannity tries to get Trump to call Putin 'evil' -- and Trump changes the subject
https://www.rawstory.com/hannity-and-trump-putin/

How is calling Putin "evil" working out for Biden and others?  Trump knows how to play Putin.  The results speak for themselves.  Under Trump - no invasion.   Under weak Obama/Biden with tough talk but no action two invasions.  Which result do you think the people of Ukraine prefer?  Results matter more than words.  Something Trump understands but you do not.

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