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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #752 on: July 25, 2020, 02:57:50 AM »
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A Dam Breaks As Whites Abandon the GOP

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There are a few odd but interesting things in Nate Cohn’s analysis of recent polls. For example, Joe Biden is now close to erasing the Republicans’ traditional advantage with white voters, but he’s underperforming with Black and Hispanic people compared to Hillary Clinton. While it’s been widely reported that Biden is winning with voters over 65, ordinarily the GOP’s strongest demographic, he actually hasn’t made any new ground with them since May. His recent gains are coming from improvement with younger voters.

This last point doesn’t surprise me and I predicted that young supporters of Bernie Sanders would get over their hurt feelings well before November. They are still more reluctant than older voters to give Biden positive favorable numbers, but that should also continue to improve. As for the over 65 crowd, it could be that Biden just maxed out. If I have a possible explanation for why Biden isn’t doing as well with minorities, it might be that polls show they simply aren’t as engaged or “paying attention” at the same rate as white people. As Election Day nears, everyone will be engaged, and it’s likely that undecided Black and Hispanic people will solidify behind the former vice-president.

What appears to be the most consequential change is Republicans’ dwindling advantage with white voters. As Cohn points out, this could lead to previously unimaginable losses for the GOP in congressional and Senate races. It could turn states like Texas, Kansas, and Alaska blue. But I also think it’s part of the reason we’re seeing a mood change on white supremacy in general. It helps explain why Confederate statues are coming down and Congress just passed a defense spending bill mandating that Confederate names are removed from military bases and ships. It helps explain why police unions are suddenly on the defensive against demands for reform. And, I think, it also behind a lot of folks feeling that they’re being “canceled.”

David Brooks is whining in the New York Times that people like Andrew Sullivan are suddenly unemployable, but this isn’t an example of the left suddenly becoming intolerant of diverse viewpoints. That’s like arguing that police chokeholds are being banned because the left suddenly discovered that they kill people. What actually happened is that public opinion finally tipped in the left’s direction, and a practice that was formerly tolerated because white people supported it, is no longer tolerated because they changed their mind. The same can be said for publishing people who argue for the inherent superiority of whites. The same can be said for naming your sports team the “Redskins” or having a racist mascot like the Cleveland Indians’ Chief Wahoo.

These things were “normal” and accepted only so long as whites accepted them in large numbers. Trump’s excesses have jolted enough white people to not only lose him support, but to lose support for many of the structurally racist things that have gone unexamined outside of leftist circles.

The change can manifest in simple ways, like people losing jobs they previously would have kept after saying or doing racist things. But the overall impact is complex and hard to predict. What we’re seeing is a lot of people who were previously safe and comfortable now getting called out for holding certain beliefs. It’s not a surprise that they howl like a scalded cat when they suddenly get burned.

This change in public opinion is going to reshape the country. The base and sports name changes are a precursor for the political realignment that’s coming in the election. Once political power resides on the left, we’ll see more transformation, and a lot more howling.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #753 on: July 25, 2020, 03:32:38 AM »
Well, 148,000 dead in USA.

So, 150,000 by August is looking like..optimism?

And 200,000 by Election day is suddenly looking quite..possible? Especially if schools open?

What say ye, Mr. Crow?

Aside: Mr May, David Brooks speaks of the loss of "heterodox " voices. Silencing of conservative voices. Cancel culture.
Oddly, he continues to be paid quite handsomely to bloviate on the pages of...The New York Times? Please, let me be "silenced" in such a way.  :)
« Last Edit: July 25, 2020, 03:33:45 AM by John Tonkovich »

Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #754 on: July 25, 2020, 03:46:45 AM »
Well, 148,000 dead in USA.

So, 150,000 by August is looking like..optimism?

And 200,000 by Election day is suddenly looking quite..possible? Especially if schools open?

What say ye, Mr. Crow?

Aside: Mr May, David Brooks speaks of the loss of "heterodox " voices. Silencing of conservative voices. Cancel culture.
Oddly, he continues to be paid quite handsomely to bloviate on the pages of...The New York Times? Please, let me be "silenced" in such a way.  :)

John, I enjoy reading David Brooks. He’s an entertaining writer. He should write for The Onion. He was a liberal, then a conservative, then a moderate. As I recall he supported HC in 2016 and is strongly against Trump in 2020. I’m not unlike Brooks. Liberal on some issues, conservative on others and moderate on most.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #754 on: July 25, 2020, 03:46:45 AM »


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #755 on: July 25, 2020, 05:45:32 AM »

   YAWN !

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #756 on: July 25, 2020, 09:40:45 AM »
   YAWN !

That's the most interesting contribution you have made to this forum in months!

Have you still not figured out that your time on this forum has already expired?  Nobody takes you serious anymore as you have lost all credibility. You are unable to debate any issue, to answer any question and/or behave in a normal manner. Your propaganda is tiresome and doesn't persuade anybody and, although you don't seem to comprehend this yourself, you actually ran out of anything of substance to say a long time ago.

Your pretence that you are someone of significance with access to inside information was funny for a while, but we all understood early on that your only purpose in life is mowing lawns and sitting in your basement watching television 24/7 so you can parrot whatever the lying extreme right wing media are telling you. You showed your true colors when you ran as hard as you could from accepting Paul's wager about something you have been calling "a sure win" for months.

You are not a conservative. You are an armchair extremist and and a very poor wannabe provocateur who, as you have recently shown us, does not have even a bit of confidence in any of the crap you spew on this forum.

Yawn, indeed.....You have gotten extremely boring, Mr Storing.
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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #757 on: July 25, 2020, 12:10:24 PM »
Well, 148,000 dead in USA.

So, 150,000 by August is looking like..optimism?

And 200,000 by Election day is suddenly looking quite..possible? Especially if schools open?

What say ye, Mr. Crow?

Aside: Mr May, David Brooks speaks of the loss of "heterodox " voices. Silencing of conservative voices. Cancel culture.
Oddly, he continues to be paid quite handsomely to bloviate on the pages of...The New York Times? Please, let me be "silenced" in such a way.  :)

I will stand by 200,000 by November. My end of July estimate was a bit under but I had not anticipated the virus "liberation" in Texas and Florida etc. when I made it.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #758 on: July 25, 2020, 12:26:42 PM »
Where's all your Ma and Pa Kettles, Royell? They left Donald Trump. Now that Biden has nearly all the white voters Donald Trump has, this is going to be a landslide.     


Trump’s Lead with White Voters Has Nearly Vanished

Nate Cohn: “Remarkably, Mr. Trump’s lead among white voters has all but vanished. On average, he holds just a three-point lead among white voters, 48 percent to 45 percent, across an average of high-quality telephone surveys since June 1. His lead among white voters has steadily diminished since April.”

“In the long view, the president’s losses among white voters compared with his final standing in 2016 polls are broad, spanning all major demographic categories. In more recent months, the president’s losses have been somewhat narrower and concentrated among younger voters.”

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/24/trumps-lead-with-white-voters-has-nearly-vanished/


Trump’s Suburban Horror Show

“Donald Trump says Joe Biden wants to abolish the suburbs. But polls show a different truth: The suburbs want to abolish Donald Trump,” Politico reports.

“If current numbers hold, the Republican Party will suffer its worst defeat in the suburbs in decades — with implications reaching far beyond November.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/25/trumps-suburban-nightmare-376823


Florida Moves to Lean Democrat

Cook Political Report: “Given its track record in presidential campaigns over the last 20 years, it’s hard to think of Florida as anything other than a Toss Up. Since 2000, the winner of the state has never carried it by more than 5 points. In fact, in four of the last five presidential elections, the winner squeaked in by 3 points or less.”

“But, at this point, this battleground state looks less like a 50-50 proposition and more like a state that is leaning Biden’s way.”

The consensus electoral map now shows Joe Biden at 320 electoral votes with Donald Trump at 125 and 93 as Toss Ups.

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/24/florida-moves-to-lean-democrat/


Coronavirus Response Sinks GOP Governors

A new SurveyMonkey poll finds Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey, and Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp — all Republicans — saw their ratings take a nosedive this month as coronavirus cases skyrocketed in their states.

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/24/coronavirus-response-sinks-gop-governors/


Trump’s Most Important 2016 Donor Sits Out 2020

“Robert and Rebekah Mercer ranked among President Trump’s most influential backers in 2016. But they’ve all but abandoned the embattled president and aren’t likely to help him in the home stretch for 2020,” Business Insider reports.

Said one associate: “They’re 100, 100, 100% out.”

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/24/trumps-most-important-2016-donor-sits-out-2020/


Trump’s Convention Cancellation Costs Millions

“President Trump’s whipsaw decisions to first move the Republican National Convention’s in-person main events, then to cancel them are costing GOP donors millions of dollars,” NBC News reports.

“Of the $38 million raised by the host committee for the convention’s original location — Charlotte, North Carolina — the majority has been spent, the Republican officials said. The host committee in Jacksonville, Florida, where Trump had moved the convention, raised an additional $6 million, but GOP officials said much of that money remains.”

“Now, the president’s team is searching not only for a new stage from which he can deliver a speech accepting his party’s nomination for a second term, but also a way to appease Republicans who have nothing to show for their donations.”

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/24/trumps-convention-cancellation-costs-millions/


How the U.S. Compares with the World on the Virus

“The surge in the United States is so extreme that, once adjusted for population… 10 states are recording more new cases than any country in the world,” the New York Times reports.





Trump’s Response to Protests May Cost Him Election

New battleground polling provided to Vanity Fair suggests that the Black Lives Matter protests themselves “changed America’s opinions about race so quickly, and so profoundly, that Trump unknowingly planted himself even further on the wrong side of public opinion than previously understood.”

“Avalanche found resounding support for the protests not just among Biden supporters, but among persuadable voters and even soft Trump supporters. The hardcore Vote Trump respondents were against the protests, with 56% opposing them. But among the softer Lean Trump set, an eye-opening 59% said the protesters were ‘completely right’ or ‘somewhat right’—probably not what the president had in mind when he commandeered Lafayette Square. And 72% of Americans with Mixed Feelings about the presidential race—precious undecided voters—said the protesters were right too.”

“But just as remarkable were the shifts among those persuadables in the 10 days between June 1 and June 11, a window that opened with burning cities and Trump’s march to St. John’s Church, but concluded with mostly peaceful demonstrations nationwide. During that period Avalanche found that support for the protests grew 10 points among Mixed Feelings voters, 14 points among Lean Biden voters, and a head-spinning 25 points among Lean Trump voters.”

Said pollster Michiah Prull: “I had never in my research career seen public opinion shift on the scale in this time frame.”

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/24/trumps-response-to-protests-may-cost-him-election/


This poll is the cherry on top. Eat your cherry Royell. Donald Trump is losing.





Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #759 on: July 25, 2020, 01:19:29 PM »
One day after boasting of his superior memory, Trump tells detailed lie about being booed at 2015 event he didn't attend

 
Impeached President Donald Trump was musing to Dave Portnoy, founder of Barstool Sports, about how his life was better before he announced his presidential candidacy.

Just like he did in March, Trump then went on a riff about an an incident he claims (falsely) took place at a New York City charity gala after he announced he was becoming a politician in 2015.

Trump keeps saying he'd never been booed during his great easy life before he became a candidate in 2015. Not even close to true.

So Trump says he was booed for the first time in his life at a charity gala after he launched his candidacy in 2015...

...though he'd been booed multiple times in previous years and hasn't attended that gala since 2011.




“One thing that happened: I was going into a thing called the Robin Hood Foundation. I'll never forget it," Trump said in the interview, which Portnoy released on Friday.

"It was just about the night I announced or whatever. My wife looked at me, she said, 'You know, I hear people booing.' And she was with me for a long time, we've been together a long time, she said, 'Some people are booing.' I said, 'Yeah, but some people are also clapping. Wildly.' I said, 'No.' She said, 'You know what, I've been with you a long time. I've never heard anyone boo you.' This was right after I started being the politician. And it meant something -- because I said, you know, it's the first time in my life I was ever booed."

Facts First: This story could not possibly be true: Trump has not attended the Robin Hood Foundation gala since 2011. Also, the 2015 gala was held in May, a month before Trump announced his candidacy -- so, even if he had gone, he could not possibly have been booed there for his immigration positions as a new candidate, as he claimed in March. Also, Trump had been booed in public on multiple occasions before 2015.

MSNBC anchor Stephanie Ruhle, who is part of the anti-poverty foundation's Leadership Council of prominent donors, has publicly said that Trump did not attend the gala in 2015, a star-studded affair that raised $101 million. Ruhle tweeted in March that Trump's story about being booed was "entirely fabricated."

Another person affiliated with the foundation, who spoke to CNN on condition of anonymity, confirmed that Trump had not attended the gala since 2011.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #759 on: July 25, 2020, 01:19:29 PM »