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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1000 on: July 28, 2020, 06:06:59 PM »
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  Point is, slandering Trump a "Racist" has been Fake News fodder for Years. Yet, Nothing is mentioned regarding Racist Biden and his past, present, and ongoing Racist Actions and Words.

You're intoning that Harvard Law Review editor, Barak Obama, was too stupid or undiscerning to detect the "racism" you are obsessed about, with regard to Biden's career, statements, and actions, but you are certain Trump is not openly racist, all of his adult life!

I pray to God you are a cynical Trump cultist and your posts are not a cry for help related to acute medical disorder, but most likely, your activity here is what it seems.... symptoms.

STOP! Since there is no constructive point to your posting 50 misleading and disingenuous posts, just since yesterday, the only reasonable explanation is you are telegraphing symptoms of your medical disorder, your posts amount to a cry for help. Unfortunately, one of the other symptoms of your acute illness is total denial that you are in fact, ill!

  Racist Biden ramping up his selection of a VP. What's this tell you as to the "internals"?      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

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....When news of the old report surfaced last year, Donald Trump vehemently denied his father's arrest. "He was never arrested. He has nothing to do with this. This never happened. This is nonsense and it never happened," he said to the Daily Mail. "This never happened. Never took place. He was never arrested, never convicted, never even charged. It's a completely false, ridiculous story. He was never there! It never happened. Never took place."
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The ‘very fine people’ at Charlottesville: Who were they?

Claim: “I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general.”
Claimed by: Donald Trump
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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1001 on: July 28, 2020, 06:13:03 PM »
RACIST to his core. No different than Storing.


Trump still refuses to admit he was wrong about the Central Park 5

By Aaron Rupar@atrupar  Jun 18, 2019, 5:40pm EDT

More than a decade after the exoneration of five black and Latino teens accused of raping a woman in Central Park, President Donald Trump indicated on Tuesday that he still doesn’t accept their innocence. Nor does he think he owes them an apology for publicly calling for their executions.

The teenagers, known as the Central Park 5, were exonerated by DNA evidence and a confession from the true perpetrator in 2002, 13 years after they were vilified by prosecutors and in the press after being charged and convicted of the rape of a white woman jogging in the park. The story is back in the news because of a recently released Netflix series about the case titled When They See Us.

Before leaving for his reelection campaign launch rally in Florida, Trump took a number of questions from reporters outside the White House. April Ryan of American Urban Radio Networks asked if he’ll “apologize to the Central Park 5” for taking out a full page newspaper ad calling for their executions. Trump indicated he will not.


“Why do you bring that question up now? It’s an interesting time to bring it up,” Trump said, apparently not aware about the Netflix series. “You have people on both sides of that. They admitted their guilt. If you look at Linda Fairstein [the discredited prosecutor who oversaw the case] and if you look at some of the prosecutors, they think the city should have never settled that case. So, we’ll leave it at that.”

The Central Park 5 — Antron McCray, Kevin Richardson, Yusef Salaam, Raymond Santana, and Korey Wise — were five young teens (four black, one Latino) in 1989, when they were accused of beating and raping a woman who was jogging through Central Park.

After their arrests, the five were violently interrogated and deprived of food and sleep, and they ultimately offered a coerced confession. Trump then took out a full-page ad in a number of newspapers calling for their execution. My colleague Alissa Wilkinson detailed the backstory in a recent piece about the Netflix show:

On May 1, 1989, as the case was headed to trial, then-real estate developer Trump spent about $85,000 placing a full-page ad in four newspapers, calling (in so many words) for the young men accused of the crime to be executed.

“BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” the ad proclaimed in enormous capital letters. Below, in smaller text, Trump ranted, “I want to hate these murderers and I always will. I am not looking to psychoanalyze or understand them, I am looking to punish them … I no longer want to understand their anger. I want them to understand our anger. I want them to be afraid.”
Trump echoed that sentiment in a number of television interviews conducted around the same time. But 13 years later, DNA evidence exonerated the Central Park 5, and a serial rapist named Matias Reyes who was already serving a life sentence in prison on other charges confessed. The five ultimately agreed to a $41 million settlement with the city of New York in 2014.

But when Trump’s 1989 comments about the Central Park 5 became an issue in subsequent years, not only did he refuse to apologize, but he even refused to admit he was wrong.

“My opinion on the settlement of the Central Park Jogger case is that it’s a disgrace,” Trump wrote in a June 2014 New York Daily News op-ed. “What about the other people who were brutalized that night, in addition to the jogger?”

In a tweet posted in 2013, Trump alluded to the wave of crime Central Park was experiencing back in 1989 to suggest that even if the teens weren’t guilty of rape, they were still guilty of something — just for being there.

When CNN did a special about the case weeks before the 2016 election, Trump didn’t back away from his previous comments, but instead provided a statement to CNN citing the false confession the teens made — the same move he made on Tuesday.

“The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. And the woman, so badly injured, will never be the same,” Trump said in 2016.

Nearly three years later, Trump still refuses to simply admit he was wrong, let alone apologize. Racism is a stubborn thing.





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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1002 on: July 28, 2020, 06:24:30 PM »
RACIST to his core. No different than Storing.


Trump still refuses to admit he was wrong about the Central Park 5

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So far, this entire page is a well supported catalogue of Trump denial and Royell's parroting of Trump's denial.

Skim through it.... Trump denied he was redlining minority residential rental applicants as far back as in 1973.

Trump denied his father was even arrested in a 1927 KKK rally.

Trump denied DNA evidence and the confession of the actual attacker exonerated the five youths Trump had demonized and called for the execution of, before trial, in 1989.

Trump denied Charlottesville was an ugly, fascist show of strength, even lying about video evidence to the contrary, as the Washington Post fact checker documented above (in my last post) and here.:

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The ‘very fine people’ at Charlottesville: Who were they?

Claim: “I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general.”
Claimed by: Donald Trump

Fact check by Washington Post: Four Pinocchios


This fact check, and the video above, will set the record straight on who was in Charlottesville that weekend. We wanted to put this issue to rest before it emerged again in the presidential campaign.

The Facts.....

Trump was the most prominent denier that Obama, the POTUS at the time, and the first minority to hold that office was born in the U.S., intoning that Obama committed fraud and was actually a native Kenyan!
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1003 on: July 28, 2020, 06:33:35 PM »
So far, this entire page is a well supported catalogue of Trump denial and Royell's parroting of Trump's denial.

Skim through it.... Trump denied he was redlining minority residential rental applicants as far back as in 1973.

Trump denied his father was even arrested in a 1927 KKK rally.

Trump denied DNA evidence and the confession of the actual attacker exonerated the five youths Trump had demonized and called for the execution of, before trial, in 1989.

Trump denied Charlottesville was an ugly, fascist show of strength, even lying about video evidence to the contrary, as the Washington Post fact checker documented above (in my last post) and here.:

Trump was the most prominent denier that Obama, the POTUS at the time, and the first minority to hold that office was born in the U.S., intoning that Obama committed fraud and was actually a native Kenyan!

Trump denies what he doesn’t understand which is virtually everything. Climate change. COVID-19, DNA evidence..  Anything science related, he hasn’t a clue. Throw in the American constitution and it’s the grand slam of ignorance, bigotry, racism, and conman.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1004 on: July 28, 2020, 06:53:03 PM »

  Lotta TRUMP HATE above, but No addressing that Doddering Old Racist "Fuzzy" Biden. This is Exactly Why they are NOW Racing to change the discussion to the VP Choice. Blacks are abandoning Racist Biden in droves. Eventually, those of You on the outside looking in will have access to this Real News. (Whenever your Fake News sources do so amidst Racist Biden taking on water)

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1005 on: July 28, 2020, 06:58:38 PM »
  Lotta TRUMP HATE above, but No addressing that Doddering Old Racist "Fuzzy" Biden. This is Exactly Why they are NOW Racing to change the discussion to the VP Choice. Blacks are abandoning Racist Biden in droves. Eventually, those of You on the outside looking in will have access to this Real News. (Whenever your Fake News sources do so amidst Racist Biden taking on water)
I'm still trying to understand the incorrect capitalization; did they not emphasize grammar at Trump University?
Did someone say "$25 million settlement "?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1006 on: July 28, 2020, 07:04:57 PM »
Trump denies what he doesn’t understand which is virtually everything. Climate change. COVID-19, DNA evidence..  Anything science related, he hasn’t a clue. Throw in the American constitution and it’s the grand slam of ignorance, bigotry, racism, and conman.

Paul, if an honest discussion in this thread was possible, and so far, Trump supporters posting here have indicated they are incapable of facts supported discussion, I'd offer this well supported observation....

  Lotta TRUMP HATE above, but No addressing that Doddering Old Racist "Fuzzy" Biden. This is Exactly Why they are NOW Racing to change the discussion to the VP Choice. Blacks are abandoning Racist Biden in droves. Eventually, those of You on the outside looking in will have access to this Real News. (Whenever your Fake News sources do so amidst Racist Biden taking on water)

Ironically, Biden's strength is a sure sign Trump's MAGA effect has set the country back at least a dozen years, even if Trump is turned out of office, 98 days from now. So, Trumpkinism has the lasting effect of setting the U.S. back somewhere between 70 and 12 years!

In my last two posts, I wanted to make it crystal clear how absurd it is for Royell and Trump to project Trump's open, militant racism onto Joe Biden.

This article savages Biden's record and attempts to explain why his record is overlooked, especially by black voters.
Nostalgia for Obama and anticipating that Biden's right of center record will strengthen his appeal in the general election, more than any other democratic primary candidate could, explains how Biden got here.

Biden was not Obama's V.P. pick because Obama thought highly of him and his long political record, in fact, quite the opposite. Biden was chosen as bait intended to hook the highest number of former "Reagan Democrats", and perhaps some republicans with concerns about John McCain's health and his mistaken elevation of Sarah Palin.

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Will Black Voters Still Love Biden When They Remember Who He Was?
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Now we’re on to Biden. One woman says it’s the closest we can get to a 3rd term for Obama w/o electing Michelle. Lots of chuckles but also lots of heads nodding in agreement. Another says she would vote for him today but isn’t sure if he’s too “old” or “sloppy” to take on Trump.

— Danny Barefoot (@dannybarefoot) March 5, 2019
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Republicans identify most with conservatism, Democrats identify most with Obama; Democrats split in ideological identificationhttps://t.co/7NKhd2QsTf pic.twitter.com/kLQP0vVZgp

— Matt Grossmann (@MattGrossmann) March 6, 2019
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Regardless, in 2019, Biden evinces support for his party’s consensus on decarceration. Meanwhile, thanks to conservative courts, busing is a long-dead issue, of no contemporary political relevance. Within the Democratic coalition, the forces of racial liberalism are unmistakably ascendant. Whether that coalition has someone accountable to it in the next White House will almost certainly do more to determine federal policy on civil rights than the question of precisely whom that Democratic someone is. And with most polls suggesting that Biden is Team Blue’s most viable general-election candidate, one can construct a perfectly rational argument for why black voters and racial-justice advocates should rally behind Uncle Joe.

That said, given the size and quality of the Democratic field — and the severity of Biden’s ideological offenses — I, for one, hope they conclude that he is unfit for rehabilitation.

Biden is a political opportunist, and so was Obama. Obama shrewdly chose Biden as his running mate in an effort to offset Obama's negatives, in the eyes of right of center oriented voters.

Biden's role was to make racists more comfortable with Obama's political platform and to increase racists' sense of trust that it was unlikely Obama concealed a "reparations for descendants of slaves", or other agenda perceived as "anti white".

This arrangement has morphed into Biden being perceived as the closest alternative to an Obama third term or a run for president by Michelle Obama. Trump is perceived as so awful, many voters could not justify risking their primary vote on a more progressive and perceived less electable candidate than Biden, because too much is at stake.

Biden is actually a magnet dangled by savvy democratic voters, in front of the eyes of right of center voters who supported Trump in 2016 but are not developmentally damaged enough to become Trump cultists.
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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1007 on: July 28, 2020, 07:20:12 PM »
Paul, if an honest discussion in this thread was possible, and so far, Trump supporters posting here have indicated they are incapable of facts supported discussion, I'd offer this well supported observation....

Ironically, Biden's strength is a sure sign Trump's MAGA effect has set the country back at least a dozen years, even if Trump is turned out of office, 98 days from now. So, Trumpkinism has the lasting effect of setting the U.S. back somewhere between 70 and 12 years!

In my last two posts, I wanted to make it crystal clear how absurd it is for Royell and Trump to project Trump's open, militant racism onto Joe Biden.

This article savages Biden's record and attempts to explain why his record is overlooked, especially by black voters.
Nostalgia for Obama and anticipating that Biden's right of center record will strengthen his appeal in the general election, more than any other democratic primary candidate could, explains how Biden got here.

Biden was not Obama's V.P. pick because Obama thought highly of him and his long political record, in fact, quite the opposite. Biden was chosen as bait intended to hook the highest number of former "Reagan Democrats", and perhaps some republicans with concerns about John McCain's health and his mistaken elevation of Sarah Palin.

Biden is a political opportunist, and so was Obama. Obama shrewdly chose Biden as his running mate in an effort to offset Obama's negatives, in the eyes of right of center oriented voters.

Biden's role was to make racists more comfortable with Obama's political platform and to increaseracists' sense of trust that it was unlikely Obama concealed a "reparations for descendants of slaves", or other agenda perceived as "anti white".

This arrangement has morphed into Biden being perceived as the closest alternative to an Obama third term or a run for president by Michele Obama. Trump is perceived as so awful, many voters could not justify risking their primary vote on a more progressive and perceived less electable candidate than Biden, because too much is at stake.

Biden is actually a magnet dangled by savvy democratic voters, in front of the eyes of right of center voters who supported Trump in 2016 but are not developmentally damaged enough to become Trump cultists.

Well thought out posting Tom. I’ve never been a Biden guy but I will be Nov. 3.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1007 on: July 28, 2020, 07:20:12 PM »