Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Ray Mitcham]

Oh, the sweet irony of Trump supporters being scammed out of $25m to build a Mexican wall, by a fellow Trump supporter. With even more irony at the perp being arrested by Post Office employees. LOL.

[Richard Smith]

Indeed, the stock market has made more gains in 4 years under Trump than it made in 6 years under Obama after the Great Recession ended. Anyone can look at the DJIA for the last 10 years and see this themselves. I do not say that Obama did a bad job with the economy. I think he did a pretty good job, better than Bush did, but I think Trump has done even better.

The Trump tax cuts have helped tens of millions of middle-class workers. My net pay rose by $220 per month thanks to the tax cuts. No, Nancy Pelosi, $220 per month is not "bread crumbs." Anyone can look at the tax tables and see for themselves that by far the biggest rate cuts in the Trump tax cuts went to middle-income tax brackets.

One of Trump's greatest achievements is the new U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade deal, which even major labor unions freely admit is a huge improvement over NAFTA.

I am sad that Biden is clearly suffering from mental decline. I have always liked him. I think he is a quality person. I wish he were six or eight years younger and had chosen someone like Tim Kaine, or Mark Warner, or Joe Manchin, or Mike Bloomberg, or even Amy Klobuchar as his running mate, instead of a race-baiting, shallow radical such as Kamala Harris. I was seriously thinking about voting for Biden, but his choosing of Harris was a deal breaker for me.

I really dislike how Trump behaves much of the time. Far too often he is needlessly petty, rude, combative, and divisive. Much of the time he does not act like a president but like a CEO who is annoyed with having to deal with board members and employees. I like most of Trump's policies and agree that he has done many good things, but is conduct is a huge negative far too often.

I agree.  I never supported most of the policies of Obama and Biden but never hated them.  They appeared to be well intentioned but largely inept.  And Biden is a career politician.  The kind of establishment candidate who is bound to his paymasters and can exercise no independent judgement.  He touts being a Catholic, for example, while supporting abortion without limitation because he must to get elected.  In the case of Trump, he often speaks figuratively and off the cuff giving the media a chance to label him as a liar.  But I prefer results over pretty speeches.  And Trump delivers time and again.  If you asked any random person to name even one accomplishment from Joe Biden over his five decades in public office, they would be hard pressed to name a single thing.  He is clearly suffering from some type of cognitive issue that is not going to get better as he reaches his 80s and beyond.  If elected, though, I wish him all the best.  I don't relish people dying from the virus or losing their jobs as the Trump haters do to validate their own political views.  If Biden can sort that out, more power to him.  I have cause to be skeptical, however, because he has never in his entire 50 year career been associated with any successful accomplishment.

What puzzles me is the level of hatred directed at Trump.  It would be like getting on an airplane and hating the pilot so much that you hope he crashes into a mountain.  A kamikaze mentality in which hatred of Trump overrides all reason and even self interest.  The level of crazy hatred seems to be a byproduct of nonstop cable news and social media that has quite literally driven some people insane.  You only have to look at the endless, hate filled posts on this thread for confirmation.

[Richard Smith]

A chronically dishonest poster here has taken issue with the statement that virus cases are falling.  There is no need to debate it.  Take a look at the NY Times webpage today.  They are reporting that new cases are down 17% in the last two weeks and deaths are down 3%.  That means that the number of cases is declining.  That is simply a fact being reported by the most liberal news media outlet in the country.  Even if you pray for deaths and cases to keep rising due to your hatred of Trump it doesn't change that fact.  Just like disputing that the market was hitting a record high.  It did.  That is simply a fact that anyone can confirm.  Just because it doesn't conform with your dark and hate filled agenda doesn't make it not true.

[John Tonkovich]

Mr Smith:  174,000 deaths. 1,369 deaths on August 19th.
Winning!

[Paul May]

I agree.  I never supported most of the policies of Obama and Biden but never hated them.  They appeared to be well intentioned but largely inept.  And Biden is a career politician.  The kind of establishment candidate who is bound to his paymasters and can exercise no independent judgement.  He touts being a Catholic, for example, while supporting abortion without limitation because he must to get elected.  In the case of Trump, he often speaks figuratively and off the cuff giving the media a chance to label him as a liar.  But I prefer results over pretty speeches.  And Trump delivers time and again.  If you asked any random person to name even one accomplishment from Joe Biden over his five decades in public office, they would be hard pressed to name a single thing.  He is clearly suffering from some type of cognitive issue that is not going to get better as he reaches his 80s and beyond.  If elected, though, I wish him all the best.  I don't relish people dying from the virus or losing their jobs as the Trump haters do to validate their own political views.  If Biden can sort that out, more power to him.  I have cause to be skeptical, however, because he has never in his entire 50 year career been associated with any successful accomplishment.

What puzzles me is the level of hatred directed at Trump.  It would be like getting on an airplane and hating the pilot so much that you hope he crashes into a mountain.  A kamikaze mentality in which hatred of Trump overrides all reason and even self interest.  The level of crazy hatred seems to be a byproduct of nonstop cable news and social media that has quite literally driven some people insane.  You only have to look at the endless, hate filled posts on this thread for confirmation.

Remarkable. You’re puzzled by the hatred towards Trump? Seriously? Simply it’s a byproduct of an individual who has been a conman/grifter his entire life. Just like dear old dad. Trump University? Yeah, that was a winner. Sued thousands of times for not paying contractors/small business owners for work performed? Sure. That’s the American way. Building Trump Tower in NYC using illegal immigrant labor and years later putting their children in cages? That’s making America great again. A self admitted sexual predator being sued by some 26 women? The GOP once stood for fiscal conservatism and family values. Would you let this clown near your wife or daughters? We know why he won’t release his taxes. The man is a criminal and always has been. What part of this puzzles you?

[Martin Weidmann]

Mr Smith:  174,000 deaths. 1,369 deaths on August 19th.
Winning!

Smith isn't interested in facts.

For some crazy reason, he prefers to believe that there actually are people who want people to die from covid-19 or lose their job to make Trump look bad. It is as much a sick and pathetic argument to make as it simply is not true. But that's what Smith and his ilk think (although they propably don't even believe it themselves) to avoid having to take a critical look at the actual diabolical facts about what has been going on in the country since Trump moved into the White House. It's part of the beyond idiotic "if you don't like Trump and his policies, you hate America" mantra. 

You can not have a reasonable conversation with people like Smith. He is like a too far gone alcoholic trying to convince the people around him that he is never drunk.

He will never understand or accept that people hate Trump because of Trump. He's right about one thing, though. More and more people do indeed not want him to succeed (not that he achieved much in the past four years) because if he does America will have been reduced to a third rate Banana republic.

[Richard Smith]

Mr Smith:  174,000 deaths. 1,369 deaths on August 19th.
Winning!

I don't follow the logic of this.  People all over the world have died as a result of a novel China virus during this pandemic.  It's unclear what exactly any politician could have done differently.  Old Joe certainly has no ideas.  Trillions have been spent on the effort.  If we are going to start blaming politicians, then look to the numbers and figure out in which states the most deaths have occurred.  Those states are controlled by dems like Cuomo who not only failed to contain the virus but attempted to destroy the economy.  In April, Fauci confirmed that Trump implemented the suggestions that he made to him.  Blaming Trump is just an extension of fake Russia collusion etc.   In fact, there are folks who want people to die because they hate Trump more than they care about their fellow citizens.  That is pretty sad.

From The Hill:
Anthony Fauci on Monday sought to squash any notion of a fissure between himself and President Trump, saying at the opening of a coronavirus task force briefing that the president repeatedly and immediately backed social distancing recommendations from Fauci and other public health officials despite the economic pain.

“The first and only time that I went in and said we should do mitigation strongly, the response was, ‘yes, we’ll do it,’” Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told reporters in the White House briefing room on Monday evening.

[Richard Smith]

Remarkable. You’re puzzled by the hatred towards Trump? Seriously? Simply it’s a byproduct of an individual who has been a conman/grifter his entire life. Just like dear old dad. Trump University? Yeah, that was a winner. Sued thousands of times for not paying contractors/small business owners for work performed? Sure. That’s the American way. Building Trump Tower in NYC using illegal immigrant labor and years later putting their children in cages? That’s making America great again. A self admitted sexual predator being sued by some 26 women? The GOP once stood for fiscal conservatism and family values. Would you let this clown near your wife or daughters? We know why he won’t release his taxes. The man is a criminal and always has been. What part of this puzzles you?

Many politicians including Joe Biden have been accused of sexual misconduct.  In fact, Kantala indicated she believed the women who accused Biden of sexual misconduct including rape.  Biden was known to swim nude in front of his female secret service agents (much to their understandable disgust). The Biden family has benefitted to the tune of millions from foreign governments.  Yet, I don't see you ranting about him or Bill Clinton or any other politician.  This type of hysterical rage is reserved only for Trump.  And you know why he won't release his taxes?  Do tell including the source of this conspiracy fantasy.  And this from the same guy who has used the term "conspiracy theorist" as a derogatory reference to many of the same kooks who are your fellow Trump haters.  Just take a look at who are the most vocal Trump haters here.  The same individuals who you have attacked as nuts (i.e. conspiracy theorists) when they express views on the JFK assassination.