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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1520 on: August 21, 2020, 07:40:12 PM »
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I don't follow the logic of this.  People all over the world have died as a result of a novel China virus during this pandemic.  It's unclear what exactly any politician could have done differently.  Old Joe certainly has no ideas.  Trillions have been spent on the effort.  If we are going to start blaming politicians, then look to the numbers and figure out in which states the most deaths have occurred.  Those states are controlled by dems like Cuomo who not only failed to contain the virus but attempted to destroy the economy.  In April, Fauci confirmed that Trump implemented the suggestions that he made to him.  Blaming Trump is just an extension of fake Russia collusion etc.   In fact, there are folks who want people to die because they hate Trump more than they care about their fellow citizens.  That is pretty sad.

From The Hill:
Anthony Fauci on Monday sought to squash any notion of a fissure between himself and President Trump, saying at the opening of a coronavirus task force briefing that the president repeatedly and immediately backed social distancing recommendations from Fauci and other public health officials despite the economic pain.

“The first and only time that I went in and said we should do mitigation strongly, the response was, ‘yes, we’ll do it,’” Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told reporters in the White House briefing room on Monday evening.

I don't follow the logic of this.

Of course you don't. No surprise there...

People all over the world have died as a result of a novel China virus during this pandemic.  It's unclear what exactly any politician could have done differently.

Yes, people have died all over the world, but America has more than 25% of all the deaths in the entire world and only 4% of the world's population. That alone should tell you something, but it probably won't. If you want to know what any politician could have done differently, all you need to look at the results in other countries where the politicians took immediate action rather than denying the reality of the pandemic for months as Trump has done.

If we are going to start blaming politicians, then look to the numbers and figure out in which states the most deaths have occurred. Those states are controlled by dems like Cuomo who not only failed to contain the virus but attempted to destroy the economy. 

Pathetic. A pandemic is a national crisis! The White House did not have a pandemic response team for nothing, until Trump fired most of it's members, that is. In a pandemic of this magnitude, individual states require federal assistance which they either never received or far too late due to Trump playing politics. Trying to pass the buck to the Governors is just one more example of Trump's inability to lead.

New York is one of the most populated areas in the country, which, logically, made it easy for the virus to spread very fast. Cuomo did as much as he could to contain the virus but was up against a near impossible task. It took him some time but he ultimately succeeded. He, at least, tried. On the other hand, Republican lead States like Texas and Florida could and should have leared from what happened in New York but they never did. Keeping the state open and ignoring good advise made it possible for the virus to spread and look where they are now.

So, yes we can hold politicians accountable. Trump does it himself. He blames the Chinese politicians, the Democrats and some of the Governors he dislikes. So why can't Trump himself be held accountable? I'd love to hear Richard's answer to that one, but I fear I will be in for a very long wait.

In April, Fauci confirmed that Trump implemented the suggestions that he made to him.

April was three months too late

Blaming Trump is just an extension of fake Russia collusion etc.   

No... claiming it is part of the (not so) "fake" Russian collusion is only Trump's standard way of shifting blame to others.

In fact, there are folks who want people to die because they hate Trump more than they care about their fellow citizens.  That is pretty sad.

Again, it's simply not true and it's a pretty sick argument to make.

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Anthony Fauci on Monday sought to squash any notion of a fissure between himself and President Trump, saying at the opening of a coronavirus task force briefing that the president repeatedly and immediately backed social distancing recommendations from Fauci and other public health officials despite the economic pain.

“The first and only time that I went in and said we should do mitigation strongly, the response was, ‘yes, we’ll do it,’” Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told reporters in the White House briefing room on Monday evening.

"Backing" Fauci's recommendations in a White House meeting is something different as actually doing something about it. For months, Trump refused to wear a mask or tell people to wear one (which is and always was the main recommendation) and time after time he has disagreed with Fauci in public! Fauci never told Trump the virus would magically disappear or called it a hoax.

For Trump it's always money over people!
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1521 on: August 21, 2020, 07:44:39 PM »
I agree.  I never supported most of the policies of Obama and Biden but never hated them.  They appeared to be well intentioned but largely inept.  And Biden is a career politician.  The kind of establishment candidate who is bound to his paymasters and can exercise no independent judgement.  He touts being a Catholic, for example, while supporting abortion without limitation because he must to get elected.  In the case of Trump, he often speaks figuratively and off the cuff giving the media a chance to label him as a liar.  But I prefer results over pretty speeches.  And Trump delivers time and again.  If you asked any random person to name even one accomplishment from Joe Biden over his five decades in public office, they would be hard pressed to name a single thing.  He is clearly suffering from some type of cognitive issue that is not going to get better as he reaches his 80s and beyond.  If elected, though, I wish him all the best.  I don't relish people dying from the virus or losing their jobs as the Trump haters do to validate their own political views.  If Biden can sort that out, more power to him.  I have cause to be skeptical, however, because he has never in his entire 50 year career been associated with any successful accomplishment.

What puzzles me is the level of hatred directed at Trump.  It would be like getting on an airplane and hating the pilot so much that you hope he crashes into a mountain.  A kamikaze mentality in which hatred of Trump overrides all reason and even self interest.  The level of crazy hatred seems to be a byproduct of nonstop cable news and social media that has quite literally driven some people insane.  You only have to look at the endless, hate filled posts on this thread for confirmation.

You've already lost the argument by accusing your tormentors of wanting people to die in order to defeat Trump. That's just the sort of knee-jerk schoolyard fare one has come to expect from Trump supporters.

'In the case of Trump, he often speaks figuratively and off the cuff giving the media a chance to label him as a liar'

So immediately poo-pooing the virus as a hoax is 'speaking figuratively'
And saying the virus will just magically go away is 'speaking figuratively'
And telling people to drink Clorox is just 'speaking figuratively'

Why would someone who claims to have 'all the words, the best words' need to 'speak figuratively'
Tell us why he would want the media to label him a liar. So his zombie supporters will feel sorry for him?
And by the way, lets see you debunk even one of the thousands of lies he has spewed.

If Trump's words and lies were food... figuratively speaking:

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1522 on: August 21, 2020, 07:54:56 PM »
You've already lost the argument by accusing your tormentors of wanting people to die in order to defeat Trump. That's just the sort of knee-jerk schoolyard fare one has come to expect from Trump supporters.

'In the case of Trump, he often speaks figuratively and off the cuff giving the media a chance to label him as a liar'

So immediately poo-pooing the virus as a hoax is 'speaking figuratively'
And saying the virus will just magically go away is 'speaking figuratively'
And telling people to drink Clorox is just 'speaking figuratively'

Why would someone who claims to have 'all the words, the best words' need to 'speak figuratively'
Tell us why he would want the media to label him a liar. So his zombie supporters will feel sorry for him?
And by the way, lets see you debunk even one of the thousands of lies he has spewed.

And by the way, lets see you debunk even one of the thousands of lies he has spewed.

I'm pretty sure that Richard Smith will deny that Trump ever told a lie. That's how far gone he is....

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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1523 on: August 21, 2020, 10:13:21 PM »
This was a response I got from a woman today when I asked why she supports Trump.


God has used unusual people to gain great things through the centuries look at Saint Augustine he was a terrible man and after his mother prayed for him for 30 years he converted and became a saint. Look at Saint Paul he persecuted Christians until Christ revealed himself to him and he became Paul and preached the gospel to many and wrote many of the epistles in the Bible. We are not voting for Trump because he is a good man. We are voting for the Republican platform which he stands for and stands by. He believes in the culture of life. He has not raised taxes. He is determined to keep this country safe. He backs our military and our police.  As a Christian I cannot vote for Biden who’s platform is the party of death, Does not have God in their platform except for the word “God like”. We will become a socialist nation under Biden Harris because Biden will not last long and Harris is determined to turn this country into a Marxist state. She even voted for women to kill their child not only up to the moment of birth but even right after birth. What kind of a society is that?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1524 on: August 21, 2020, 11:17:22 PM »
It's the kind of emotionalism and denial that addles the JFK conspiracy community. No amount of appeal to reason would ever move most of them. Imagine if they had a Fox News level of indoctrination.

Silly remark. The biggest difference between the two is that the people who disagree with you on the JFK case can actually discuss the evidence and articulate a rebuttal. It would of course be in vain as no appeal to reason would ever move you either.

The Trump supporters are not even able to write a coherent post beyond blaming Biden, the Democrats and everybody else except Trump for anything they can think of.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1525 on: August 21, 2020, 11:36:04 PM »
It's the kind of emotionalism and denial that addles the JFK conspiracy community. No amount of appeal to reason would ever move most of them. Imagine if they had a Fox News level of indoctrination.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1526 on: August 21, 2020, 11:55:17 PM »
Silly remark. The biggest difference between the two is that the people who disagree with you on the JFK case can actually discuss the evidence and articulate a rebuttal. It would of course be in vain as no appeal to reason would ever move you either.

The Trump supporters are not even able to write a coherent post beyond blaming Biden, the Democrats and everybody else except Trump for anything they can think of.

The biggest difference between the two is that the people who disagree with you on the JFK case can actually discuss ad hom and articulate a rebuttal misrepresent the evidence.  It would of course be in vain as no appeal to reason speculation would ever move you either.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1527 on: August 22, 2020, 12:23:39 AM »
The biggest difference between the two is that the people who disagree with you on the JFK case can actually discuss ad hom and articulate a rebuttal misrepresent the evidence.  It would of course be in vain as no appeal to reason speculation would ever move you either.

You can always rely on Chapman to prove the point I was making.

Just like a Trump supporter; denial and projection.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1527 on: August 22, 2020, 12:23:39 AM »