Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Richard Smith]

Idiot. Protests and riots (which btw are not ok, under any circumstance) are not the same as fascism.

LOL.  So much ignorance.   First, you are not following along as always.  It was one of your fellow kooks who introduced fascism into this discussion  It is insulting to compare the modern US democracy with fascism.  Millions of people were murdered under real fascism.  To the extent there is any such comparison - and again I'm not the one crying fascism - do yourself a favor.  Find someone with a brain and ask them about how the Nazis acted in the 1920s.  See if you come across any riots and vandalism that the authorities failed to prosecute.
Wow.  Hard to believe anyone is that dense.  Maybe seek counsel from Roger Collins or Burke Devlin. 

[Richard Smith]

Virus cases are reportedly skyrocketing in Europe.  I assume that is Trump's fault.  The idea that Trump somehow failed to take a still unspecified action that resulted in the US having a disproportionate number of virus cases is one of the most outlandish falsehoods in recent history.  The Europeans have done nothing better or that much differently than the US.  Some of those countries have a greater per capita number of cases and most have a greater number of deaths.  It is called a pandemic for a reason.  Other countries have either intentionally or unintentionally underreported the number of cases and deaths.  Cases and deaths will continue until the Trump vaccine becomes available and even then there will continue to be new cases.  Thanks in large part to the dems who are spreading fear of a vaccine for their own political purposes.  Old Joe has no magic wand or plan that will change any of that.  He doesn't even remember there is a pandemic. 

[Ray Mitcham]

LOL.  So much ignorance.   First, you are not following along as always.  It was one of your fellow kooks who introduced fascism into this discussion  It is insulting to compare the modern US democracy with fascism.  Millions of people were murdered under real fascism.  To the extent there is any such comparison - and again I'm not the one crying fascism - do yourself a favor.  Find someone with a brain and ask them about how the Nazis acted in the 1920s.  See if you come across any riots and vandalism that the authorities failed to prosecute.
Wow.  Hard to believe anyone is that dense.  Maybe seek counsel from Roger Collins or Burke Devlin.

If you were intelligent enough to understand English, I never said that the US was a fascist state.  I asked if you and your fellow Trump devotees wanted to see the U.S. turn  into a fascist state. Seems you do.

[Martin Weidmann]

LOL.  So much ignorance.   First, you are not following along as always.  It was one of your fellow kooks who introduced fascism into this discussion  It is insulting to compare the modern US democracy with fascism.  Millions of people were murdered under real fascism.  To the extent there is any such comparison - and again I'm not the one crying fascism - do yourself a favor.  Find someone with a brain and ask them about how the Nazis acted in the 1920s.  See if you come across any riots and vandalism that the authorities failed to prosecute.
Wow.  Hard to believe anyone is that dense.  Maybe seek counsel from Roger Collins or Burke Devlin.

It is insulting to compare the modern US democracy with fascism.

A similar comment could have been made by the Nazis about German 'democracy" in the mid 30's.

In January 1933. Theodor Wolff of the Frankfurter Zeitung wrote;

It is a hopeless misjudgement to think that one could force a dictatorial regime upon the German nation. The diversity of the German people calls for democracy.

How wrong he was!

Just like now, back then there were also fools who denied what was right in front of them... until they found out the hard way and it was too late. The American equivalent of the night of the long knives is still to come, if Trump gets re-elected, that is!

Millions of people were murdered under real fascism.

So when millions of people are not murdered, it's not real fascism?.... And you call me ignorant? 

To the extent there is any such comparison - and again I'm not the one crying fascism - do yourself a favor.  Find someone with a brain and ask them about how the Nazis acted in the 1920s.

How about my relatives who actually suffered under the Nazis? And btw... in the 1920s, Hitler and his ilk were still insignificant.
It wasn't until they obtained real power in the early 30's that things started happening. But your defense of the Nazis is noteworthy. It says a lot about you.

[Martin Weidmann]

If you were intelligent enough to understand English, I never said that the US was a fascist state.  I asked if you and your fellow Trump devotees wanted to see the U.S. turn  into a fascist state. Seems you do.

Indeed... Richard is all for it. A classic Nazi wannabe if I ever saw one.

Reminds me of the fish that wants to drink the pool he swims in.

[Ray Mitcham]

Perhaps, Richard should read and inwardly digest the following.
https://www.salon.com/2020/09/21/psychiatrist-robert-jay-lifton-trumps-attempts-to-falsify-reality-follows-pattern-of-the-nazis/

[Richard Smith]

If you were intelligent enough to understand English, I never said that the US was a fascist state.  I asked if you and your fellow Trump devotees wanted to see the U.S. turn  into a fascist state. Seems you do.

Right.  You have made allegations that the President, his supporters. and much of the US government is fascist or using fascist tactics.  But not the entire US! Like those rioters who are exercising their right to burn and loot.  LOL.  So it's just all those you disagree with that are fascists?  Got it.  How open minded of you.  If there is an election with results that you don't like, you blame it on the constitutional process (even though dems supported it prior to the election).  It's apparently fine to use the power of the government to arrest political partisans of Trump.  Even swarm their homes with a tactical SWAT team in the night. That is justice.  But suggest arresting any democrat and it somehow becomes fascism or a banana republic.  Always changing the rules of the game to fit your own preconceived views.  I would be careful tossing around words like fascism without understanding it.  That kind of baseless and reckless disregard for the term devalues it in those situations where it might one day be applicable.  Like when someone tries to pack the supreme court to quash dissenting voices, or changes the rules of an election to undermine democracy, or outlaws the ability to go to work, school, or church, to create chaos for political purposes but allows abortions and riots.  Only one things matters to a Trump hater.  Blaming everything on him.  The truth or facts are only secondary.

[Martin Weidmann]

Right.  You have made allegations that the President, his supporters. and much of the US government is fascist or using fascist tactics.  But not the entire US! Like those rioters who are exercising their right to burn and loot.  LOL.  So it's just all those you disagree with that are fascists?  Got it.  How open minded of you.  If there is an election with results that you don't like, you blame it on the constitutional process (even though dems supported it prior to the election).  It's apparently fine to use the power of the government to arrest political partisans of Trump.  Even swarm their homes with a tactical SWAT team in the night. That is justice.  But suggest arresting any democrat and it somehow becomes fascism or a banana republic.  Always changing the rules of the game to fit your own preconceived views.  I would be careful tossing around words like fascism without understanding it.  That kind of baseless and reckless disregard for the term devalues it in those situations where it might one day be applicable.  Like when someone tries to pack the supreme court to quash dissenting voices, or changes the rules of an election to undermine democracy, or outlaws the ability to go to work, school, or church, to create chaos for political purposes but allows abortions and riots.  Only one things matters to a Trump hater.  Blaming everything on him.  The truth or facts are only secondary.

You have made allegations that the President, his supporters. and much of the US government is fascist or using fascist tactics.

They are! Remember those "fine people" armed with automatic weapons who stormed the Capitol in Michigan? How does that fit in your idea of a democracy?

But not the entire US! Like those rioters who are exercising their right to burn and loot.

Strawman! Anybody who riots, burns and loots is not exercising their rights.

So it's just all those you disagree with that are fascists?  Got it.

No, you don't get it at all. Anybody who tries to undermine the Constitution, who uses his Attorney General as his own henchman, calls outlets that disagree with him "fake news" etc etc etc and those who openly support that are fascists.

It's apparently fine to use the power of the government to arrest political partisans of Trump.

When they have broken the law and confess to doing so (that's the detail you ignore), yes it's fine to arrest them

Even swarm their homes with a tactical SWAT team in the night. That is justice.

Executing a no knock warrant and killing Breonna Taylor... That's justice to you, right?
Shooting an unarmed guy seven times in the back in front of his kids..... All in a day's work, right?

I would be careful tossing around words like fascism without understanding it.  That kind of baseless and reckless disregard for the term devalues it in those situations where it might one day be applicable. 

We'll find out soon enough, if Trump gets re-elected.

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum quotes the following text ;

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out —  Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out —  Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out  —  Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Like when someone tries to pack the supreme court to quash dissenting voices,

As Trump wants to do

or changes the rules of an election to undermine democracy,

As Trump wants to do in so many different ways

or outlaws the ability to go to work, school, or church

To save people from dying from Covid-19? .... That's not what Trump is doing. He couldn't care less just how many die from the virus, as long as he can claim economic recovery.

to create chaos for political purposes

As Trump is doing

but allows abortions and riots.

The law allows abortions!

When are you going to comprehend that all of this is happening on Trump's watch. He is the one in charge! You can try to blame the Democrats all you want, but the bottom line is that Trump is President. He is responsible for what's happening in the country!


The truth or facts are only secondary.

You are clueless about what the truth is.... You can't even admit what you really are!

All you can do is whine, like a cry baby.... The extreme right always likes to play the victim. It's pathetic!