Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Martin Weidmann]

"There are no rules being changed."  Wow.  That's the most outrageous lie ever expressed on this forum.  Surpassing even Dishonest John.   Maybe try looking it up.  But here is just a start:

Alabama:   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility requirements suspended, allowing all voters to cast ballots by mail in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Arizona:   On September 10, 2020, Judge Douglas Rayes, of the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona, ordered election officials to give voters voters until 5:00 p.m. on the fifth business day after an election to sign their vote-by-mail ballot envelopes if they failed to sign at the time they submitted the ballots.
Arkansas:   Voters in the November 3, 2020, general election would be allowed to cite concerns over COVID-19 as a valid excuse for voting absentee. Hutchinson subsequently issued an executive order formalizing this policy change.
California:   Mail-in ballots sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signed SB 423 into law, authorizing counties to consolidate polling places in the November 3, 2020, general election, among other modifications to administration procedures
Connecticut: Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility extended to any voter in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Delaware   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Georgia: For the November 3, 2020, general election, absentee return postmark and receipt deadlines extended to November 3, 2020, and November 6, 2020, respectively.
Illinois:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Iowa:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Kentucky:   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility requirements suspended, allowing all voters "concerned with contracting or spreading COVID-19" to cast ballots by mail in the November 3, 2020, general election. Early voting available Monday through SaPersonay beginning October 13, 2020. Affidavit option for voter ID requirement implemented for the November 3, 2020, general election.
Louisiana   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility extended to the following voters in the November 3, 2020 general election: those at higher risk because of serious medical conditions, those subject to a 'medically necessary quarantine or isolation order,' those advised by a health provider to self-quarantine, those experiencing symptoms of COVID-19 and seeking a medical diagnosis, and those caring for an individual who is subject to a quarantine order and has been advised to self-quarantine.
Maine:   The voter pre-registration deadline in the November 3, 2020, general election was extended to October 19, 2020.
Maryland:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Massachusetts:   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility extended to all qualified voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Michigan:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Absentee/mail-in ballot receipt deadline extended to November 17, 2020, for ballots postmarked on or before November 2, 2020. Voters allowed to have their ballots returned by anyone of their choosing between 5:01 p.m. on October 30, 2020, and the close of polls on November 3, 2020.
Minnesota: The absentee/mail-in ballot postmark deadline for the general election was extended to November 3, 2020. Witness requirements for absentee/mail-in ballots cast in the general election were suspended.
Mississippi: Absentee/mail-in ballot postmark deadline extended to November 3, 2020, for the November 3, 2020, election; receipt deadline extended to November 8, 2020. Absentee voting eligibility extended to individuals under physician-ordered quarantine and individuals caring for dependents under quarantine.
Missouri:   Permitting any registered voter to cast an absentee ballot in any 2020 election, subject to a notarization requirement. Individuals who have contracted COVID-19, and those who are at higher risk for contracting the virus, are exempted from the notarization requirement.
Montana:   Counties authorized to send mail-in ballots automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Nebraska:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Nevada:   Mail-in ballots sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
New Hampshire: Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility in the November 3, 2020, general election extended to any voter who is unable to vote in person because of illness resulting from COVID-19 or 'who fears that voting in person may expose himself/herself or others to COVID-19.'
New Jersey: Mail-in ballots sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Receipt deadline for ballots postmarked on or before Election Day extended to November 9, 2020. Receipt deadline for ballots without postmarks set as November 5, 2020.
New Mexico: Counties authorized to send mail-in ballot applications automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, election.
New York:   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility in the November 3, 2020, general election extended to any voter 'unable to appear personally at the polling place of the election district in which they are a qualified voter because there is a risk of contracting or spreading a disease causing illness to the voter or to other members of the public.' Online portal launched for absentee ballot requests in the November 3, 2020, general election. Absentee ballot return drop boxes available for the November 3, 2020, general election. Ballot curing provisions expanded.
North Carolina:   Witness signature requirement for completed absentee ballots reduced from two to one for 2020 elections.
Ohio: Each county directed to provide one drop-box for absentee/mail-in ballots in the November 3, 2020, general election. Election officials required to accept absentee ballot applications submitted via fax or email.
Oklahoma:   Reinstating the absentee ballot notarization requirement struck down by the state supreme court on May 4, 2020. The legislation permitted voters to submit copies of their identification in lieu of having the ballot notarized in the event of a state of emergency occurring within 45 days of an election. The legislation also specified that individuals experiencing symptoms indicative of COVID-19, and individuals classified as vulnerable to infection, could cast an absentee ballot under the 'physical incapacitation' eligibility criterion.
Pennsylvania:   Prepaid return postage provided for mail-in and absentee ballots in the November 3, 2020, general election. Absentee/mail-in ballot receipt deadline extended to November 6, 2020 (with a postmark deadline of November 3, 2020, or no proof that the ballot was sent after that date). Drop boxes for returning completed absentee/mail-in ballots authorized.
Rhode Island:   Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Witness/notary requirements for mail-in ballots suspended for the November 3, 2020, general election.
South Carolina:   Absentee/mail-in voting eligibility extended to all active registered voters in the November 3, 2020, general election. Prepaid postage provided for all returned ballots in the November 3, 2020, general election. In-person absentee voting (i.e., early voting) set to begin October 5, 2020, and end November 2, 2020. Absentee/mail-in ballot witness requirement suspended.
Tennessee: Absentee/mail-in ballot eligibility in the November 3, 2020, general election extended to 'individuals with a special vulnerability to COVID-19' and 'caretakers for individuals with a special vulnerability to COVID-19.' Policy requiring that first-time absentee/mail-in voters show their identification at an election office before voting temporarily suspended.
Texas: Voters required to be notified if their absentee ballots might be rejected due to signature mismatch; officials required to give such voters a 'meaningful opportunity to cure' their ballots.
Vermont: Mail-in ballots sent automatically to all voters in the November 3, 2020, general election.
Virginia: A federal court approved a partial settlement suspending the witness requirement for absentee ballots cast in the November 3, 2020, general election. Gov. Ralph Northam (D) signed into law legislation providing for the use of drop-boxes and prepaid absentee/mail-in ballot return postage in the November 3, 2020, general election.
West Virginia: Absentee/mail-in ballot eligibility in the November 3, 2020, general election extended to all voters 'concerns about their health and safety because of COVID-19.' Secretary of State Mac Warner (R) also announced the implementation of an online absentee/mail-in ballot request portal for the general election.
Wisconsin: Mail-in ballot applications sent automatically to most voters in the November 3,

Hilarious! For two reasons; (1) the majority of these states are under Republican control (the states with their name in bold in your quote have Republican governors), yet you try the blame the Democrats and (2) I didn't ask you what the states are doing. I asked you what rules or laws were broken or changed to do it and who broke or changed them?

[John Tonkovich]

Hilarious! For two reasons; (1) the majority of these states are under Republican control (the states with their name in bold in your quote have Republican governors), yet you try the blame the Democrats and (2) I didn't ask you what the states are doing. I asked you what rules or laws were broken or changed to do it and who broke or changed them?

Thank you. Facts matter.

[John Iacoletti]

Is there some evidence that these changes designed to keep non-ignorant people from being disenfranchised during a deadly pandemic constitute anything fraudulent or even any greater likelihood of fraud?

[Richard Smith]

Hilarious! For two reasons; (1) the majority of these states are under Republican control (the states with their name in bold in your quote have Republican governors), yet you try the blame the Democrats and (2) I didn't ask you what the states are doing. I asked you what rules or laws were broken or changed to do it and who broke or changed them?

LOL.  Idiot.  You claimed there were "no changes."  Those are all changes made for the upcoming election.  Beg forgiveness either for your ignorance or outright lie. 

[Richard Smith]

Richard Smith:
We're in the midst of a pandemic, where 200,000+ people have died, and thousands are dealing with lingering medical issues post infection. Voting in person, at this time, is a legitimate health risk. So, appropriate steps are being taken to minimize further spreading of the virus.
Additionally, several states have had vote by mail procedures in place, long before the pandemic.
As an American, why are you speaking out against your fellow Americans who are trying to participate in the voting process and simultaneously trying to avoid infecting others, and/or not becoming infected themselves?

So you can have an abortion or go to Walmart but can't vote or go to work, school, or church.  Got it.  The point is obvious.  You can't change the rules at the last minute in a nationwide election to impact potentially millions of votes.  That will create chaos.  Ballots will be challenged by both side.  Courts in different places will create different standards subject to endless appeals from both sides.  This doesn't just affect Trump.  It will affect any democrat that is elected by casting doubt on the process and undermining the legitimacy of their presidency.  If Hiden is elected, then so be it.  Why create a situation in which there is doubt as to the results?  He is ahead in the polls. So let people vote the same way they go to the grocery store.   

[Martin Weidmann]

LOL.  Idiot.  You claimed there were "no changes."  Those are all changes made for the upcoming election.  Beg forgiveness either for your ignorance or outright lie.

You still haven't explained what changes were made or what rules were changed. Understandable because you can't. What it really comes down to is that Trump and idiots like you just don't like the existing laws.

When something is allowed by law, there are no changes. Just compliance with and application of existing law. You don't like that? Change the law... but stop whining. It's pathetic.

Is this above your head?

Btw, have you figured out why so many Republican Governors are on your list of so-called "changes"? They really must dislike Trump, don't you think?

[Martin Weidmann]

So you can have an abortion or go to Walmart but can't vote or go to work, school, or church.  Got it.  The point is obvious.  You can't change the rules at the last minute in a nationwide election to impact potentially millions of votes.  That will create chaos.  Ballots will be challenged by both side.  Courts in different places will create different standards subject to endless appeals from both sides.  This doesn't just affect Trump.  It will affect any democrat that is elected by casting doubt on the process and undermining the legitimacy of their presidency.  If Hiden is elected, then so be it.  Why create a situation in which there is doubt as to the results?  He is ahead in the polls. So let people vote the same way they go to the grocery store.   

You can't change the rules at the last minute in a nationwide election to impact potentially millions of votes. 

More of the same crap. There were no last minute changes to anything. Mail in voting is allowed by law and has been for a long time. Trump has been complaining about these so-called "changes" for months, when there is nothing to complain about. There is not a shred of evidence to support his bogus claim that mail in voting is fraudulent.

So let people vote the same way they go to the grocery store.   

And that's exactly what this is all about. Eliminate as many people as possible, who don't want to vote in person but would and will vote by mail because of the pandemic. It's not about fraud, it's about Trump wanting to limit the number of people voting to a minimum, because he figures that's the only way he can win.

And there won't be doubt about the results when Biden wins by a landslide. The only person who is trying to create doubt is the moron you support.

[Colin Crow]

The United States is 7th in the world in per capita deaths from Covid19.
That's out of 180 countries listed on the chart I found. Your mileage may vary.
Odd, that the richest country in the world is far less effective in prevention and management of a pandemic, while the majority of so called " third world" countries are far more successful.

Mr Crow, who lives somewhere " down under" could perhaps chime in as to his country's per capita death rate. ( I believe that AU and NZ had strict lockdowns, mask rules, contact tracing, etc., yes, the gubment done took away their freedoms.)

As a quick comparison, my city to Travis county Texas as they have almost equivalent populations.

Travis county total cases 29073, ours 468. Travis county deaths 420, ours 4.

Our restrictions were not particularly severe. We had no mandatory mask wearing here and it was not prevalent. There were travel restrictions between states and some still exist. Victoria had an outbreak a few months ago and had increased restrictions including masks and curfew. Their total cases now down to less than 20 daily. Kids have generally been back at schools for months. Apart from travel restrictions and a bit of voluntary social distancing life pretty much normal for a few months here.