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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1880 on: October 02, 2020, 04:08:06 AM »
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Nixon's pardon meant Nixon was presumed to be guilty, but--out of respect for the office and his family (imagine those ethics today)--Nixon was now beyond the legal system in terms of punishment. It also saved the country the ordeal of impeachment.

    "In 2001, the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation awarded the
     John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award to Ford for his pardon
     of Nixon. In presenting the award to Ford, Senator Ted Kennedy
     said that he had initially been opposed to the pardon of Nixon,
     but later stated that history had proven Ford to have made the
     the correct decision."
          -- Wikipedia

Thanks for that Jerry. Didn’t Barry Goldwater have a chat with Nixon before he stood down too? Just going from memory. Do you think there are any Republican vertebrates in the Senate now?

Interesting that in the debate that when asked what his achievements were Trump placed so much emphasis on filling judicial appointments. He mocked Biden for the Dems leaving so many to be filled. So his major achievement he has made for Americans is to increase politicisation of the judiciary. An interesting take on democracy and the separation of powers. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1881 on: October 02, 2020, 04:13:46 AM »
Byrd renounced the KKK and worked tirelessly to help African Americans during his time in the Senate being elected overwhelmingly by West Virginia voters.

Wow.  He and Hunter sound like saints.  Here is some of his "tireless" efforts to help the "race of mongrels":

"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

"The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1882 on: October 02, 2020, 04:40:19 AM »
Wow.  He and Hunter sound like saints.  Here is some of his "tireless" efforts to help the "race of mongrels":

"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

"The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."

As I said earlier; facts don't matter to "Richard"

Hate, division and Nazi like white supremacy is more his game.

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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1883 on: October 02, 2020, 06:23:02 AM »
Nixon's pardon meant Nixon was presumed to be guilty, but--out of respect for the office and his family (imagine those ethics today)--Nixon was now beyond the legal system in terms of punishment. It also saved the country the ordeal of impeachment.

    "In 2001, the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation awarded the
     John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award to Ford for his pardon
     of Nixon. In presenting the award to Ford, Senator Ted Kennedy
     said that he had initially been opposed to the pardon of Nixon,
     but later stated that history had proven Ford to have made the
     the correct decision."
          -- Wikipedia
That's such a happy little story, Mr Organ. Not.
Nice how you throw in some falsehoods at the beginning, and totally miss the point of my post, for whatever reason
Nixon's pardon " saved the country the ordeal of impeachment." Uh, you can't impeach someone who has already resigned. The pardon saved Nixon from prosecution of various crimes, including - but not limited to - obstruction of justice.
To go further, are you now saying that Nixon resigned only with the the promise of a pardon after Ford took office? The term " quid pro quo " rears its ugly head. Again. ( Trump, in case you forgot.)
Now, Ford insisted that the only " quid pro quo" was after Nixon's resignation, when Ford insisted upon - and eventually received- a statement of contrition from Nixon, before Ford would pardon him. Per Wikipedia, which you cited as a source for your Ted Kennedy quote. In trying to cite Ford as an ethical guy, who "saved the country from the ordeal of impeachment", you kind of give the game away. As to Ford's ethics, let us not forget the America First Committee;(AFC). Again per Wiki, your go to source, good old ethical Gerry was one of the first members at Yale Law school. AFC was promoted by that ethical guy, Lindbergh, who is on record - everywhere - as a Nazi admirer and anti-Semite. AFC, with Gerry's help, and that of Laura Ingalls, convicted and imprisoned for being a paid agent of...Nazi Germany. Nice bedfellows Gerry keeps.
So, I point out when there were some ethical Republicans, Ruckelshaus and Richardson, and you respond by bringing up Gerry Ford, as a paragon of virtue, and ask us to " imagine those ethics today". I prefer not dwell on the ethics of Gerry Ford, ever. I do see ethics in action, beginning with Colonel Vindman.
As to " out of respect for the office and his family", there was no need then to respect a criminal like Nixon just because he was President. As to Nixon's family, they were rather dull mouthbreathers, as was his son in law Eisenhower, unlike our current criminal President's grifter children and son in law.
So, nice try, but your ahistorical both side isms don't fly.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1884 on: October 02, 2020, 07:16:21 AM »
Donald Trump has the #TrumpVirus

It is what it is

Should have worn a mask instead of mocking it and calling it a hoax.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1885 on: October 02, 2020, 07:18:40 AM »
Donald Trump said he and first lady Melania Trump have tested positive for coronavirus.

In a tweet, Trump said, “We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/02/president-donald-trump-says-he-has-tested-positive-for-coronavirus.html


Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1886 on: October 02, 2020, 07:31:46 AM »
I wish him well, unless it's a hoax or "fake news".
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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1887 on: October 02, 2020, 07:52:56 AM »
I wish him well, unless it's a hoax or "fake news".

Who knows, Mr Crow.
He might just be trying to duck the debates, and garner sympathy.
Or, since he eschews the common sense precautions, he could definitely be sick.
And, he's old, overweight, and has a bad ticker - statins and baby aspirin, daily - he could get pretty sick.
Oh, and what about Pence?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1887 on: October 02, 2020, 07:52:56 AM »