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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2088 on: October 16, 2020, 11:14:40 PM »
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It is painful to watch just how little traction Rudy Giuliani's last minute hail mary effort smearing Hunter and Joe Biden is getting outside the usual Trump bubble.

The right wing NY Post and Fox News seem to be the only two outlets who are talking about this laptop fairytale, but nobody else is paying much attention to it. It might even be true, but still nobody cares. Giuliani has overplayed his hand on the Ukraine issue for a long time and now has no credibility left.

It doesn't help much that the story itself is just as pathetic as Giuliani's attempt to smear the Bidens. So, let's examine the story;

First you have to believe that Hunter Biden, with his father in the race for President, would be stupid enough to bring a laptop full with damaging materials to an obscure computer repair shop and then not pick it up after it was repaired. That, by itself, casts serious doubt on the story, but it gets worse. The repair shop owner, who is nearly blind, is unable to identify Hunter Biden as the man who dropped of the laptop and provided the information for the receipt. This man than somehow looks at the content of the laptop and he allegedly gets so concerned that he calls the FBI. The Agency reponds and collects the laptop, but not before the shop owner makes copies of the hard drives. The repair man then waits for some reply from the FBI, which he never gets, simply because that's not the way it works. When the FBI investigates something they don't call you back to tell you the results of that investigation. But this is where it gets interesting.... Apparently the repair man decides to offer the copied hard drives to others, but nobody is interested, so he somehow ends up with Rudy Giuliani's lawyer. He, presumably, pays of the repair man and passes the hard drives to Rudy Giuliani. This is somewhere in mid july 2020.

So, what does Giuliani do with the material? After all, this is the evidence he has been looking for, right? The smoking gun that will show everybody that what he has been saying for months is all true..... Does he give it to law enforcement, to his buddy Bill Barr or the Senate's judiciary committee? No, he sits on it and waits until 20 days before the election and then makes a deal and gives hard copies of some documents to the right wing newspaper the New York Post who instantly publishes the material. I wonder how much they paid Giuliani....

Giuliani claims that, before he gave the material to the NY Post, he authenticated the material, but he fails to provide any evidence for that claim. The meta data that must be on the copied hard drives could provide information about the true origin of the emails, but Giuliani doesn't release that material. Instead he wants us to believe him on his word....

Is there anything straight forward or even remotely normal about this story? I don't think so.... yet Giuliani wonders why nobody believes him... Go figure
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2089 on: October 17, 2020, 01:33:10 AM »
That is a complete lie.  President Trump "admitted" no such thing.  In fact he denied that he owed any money to Russia (the left wing conspiracy) and said the numbers were wrong.  As President, he is required to provide substantial financial disclosures.  None of which suggests anything illegal or a national security risk in his financial dealings.  Even if it were true that he "owes" a lot of money in "loans," as Trump explained, he has enormous assets to cover those debts.  While $400 million dollars may seem like a lot to someone who spends all his time on an Internet forum, it is not the amount of debt but the debt to equity ratio that determines whether a business is over extended.  If you are concerned, however, about foreign financial influence over a President, then I'm sure that you find it disqualifying for a candidate's family to be on the payroll of China and other countries as Hunter's emails confirm.  In fact, Hunter is being paid millions by China that he shared with the "big guy."

Wash Times (Oct. 15):

Hunter Biden was receiving a $10 million annual fee from a Chinese billionaire who has been accused of corruption and with whom he sought to increase the cash flow with a joint business ownership, an August 2017 email from Mr. Biden shows.

The money was for “introductions alone,” said Mr. Biden, son of Democratic presidential nominee Joseph R. Biden. Another email to Hunter Biden from a consultant says that a 10% stake in an unnamed company will go to “the big guy?” The “big guy” was not identified.

 :D :D :D

Either pay attention to what Donald Trump says or quit being such a terrible propagandist. What a joke.

When Donald Trump loses the election in 2 weeks he will be indicted.

Donald Trump Admits to Owing $400 Million in Debts


Trump owed tens of millions to Bank of China
The president's financial dealings with the state-owned bank complicate his attacks on Biden

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/trump-biden-china-debt-205475

Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2090 on: October 17, 2020, 01:40:02 AM »
The rats are fleeing

Scoop: Trump's advisers brace for loss, point fingers
https://www.axios.com/trump-advisers-brace-for-loss-02d6b688-4d15-46f8-a28c-efdf2a5640c3.html

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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2091 on: October 17, 2020, 03:18:25 AM »
It is painful to watch just how little traction Rudy Giuliani's last minute hail mary effort smearing Hunter and Joe Biden is getting outside the usual Trump bubble.

The right wing NY Post and Fox News seem to be the only two outlets who are talking about this laptop fairytale, but nobody else is paying much attention to it. It might even be true, but still nobody cares. Giuliani has overplayed his hand on the Ukraine issue for a long time and now has no credibility left.

It doesn't help much that the story itself is just as pathetic as Giuliani's attempt to smear the Bidens. So, let's examine the story;

First you have to believe that Hunter Biden, with his father in the race for President, would be stupid enough to bring a laptop full with damaging materials to an obscure computer repair shop and then not pick it up after it was repaired. That, by itself, casts serious doubt on the story, but it gets worse. The repair shop owner, who is nearly blind, is unable to identify Hunter Biden as the man who dropped of the laptop and provided the information for the receipt. This man than somehow looks at the content of the laptop and he allegedly gets so concerned that he calls the FBI. The Agency reponds and collects the laptop, but not before the shop owner makes copies of the hard drives. The repair man then waits for some reply from the FBI, which he never gets, simply because that's not the way it works. When the FBI investigates something they don't call you back to tell you the results of that investigation. But this is where it gets interesting.... Apparently the repair man decides to offer the copied hard drives to others, but nobody is interested, so he somehow ends up with Rudy Giuliani's lawyer. He, presumably, pays of the repair man and passes the hard drives to Rudy Giuliani. This is somewhere in mid july 2020.

So, what does Giuliani do with the material? After all, this is the evidence he has been looking for, right? The smoking gun that will show everybody that what he has been saying for months is all true..... Does he give it to law enforcement, to his buddy Bill Barr or the Senate's judiciary committee? No, he sits on it and waits until 20 days before the election and then makes a deal and gives hard copies of some documents to the right wing newspaper the New York Post who instantly publishes the material. I wonder how much they paid Giuliani....

Giuliani claims that, before he gave the material to the NY Post, he authenticated the material, but he fails to provide any evidence for that claim. The meta data that must be on the copied hard drives could provide information about the true origin of the emails, but Giuliani doesn't release that material. Instead he wants us to believe him on his word....

Is there anything straight forward or even remotely normal about this story? I don't think so.... yet Giuliani wonders why nobody believes him... Go figure

Was it Lev or Igor Biden that dropped off the laptops?

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2092 on: October 17, 2020, 03:42:11 AM »
Was it Lev or Igor Biden that dropped off the laptops?
Ha!
In other news, Trump was warned by intelligence community that Rudy was a pawn of Russian disinformation scheme in November, 2019. Oops.
And remdesivir ( and hydroxychloroquine, interferon, lopinivar/ritronavir) seems to be useless for hospitalized Covid patients. Bad news for Gilead.
What say ye, Dr Crow?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2093 on: October 17, 2020, 04:25:58 AM »
Ha!
In other news, Trump was warned by intelligence community that Rudy was a pawn of Russian disinformation scheme in November, 2019. Oops.
And remdesivir ( and hydroxychloroquine, interferon, lopinivar/ritronavir) seems to be useless for hospitalized Covid patients. Bad news for Gilead.
What say ye, Dr Crow?

I would say.......remember all those promises that never came to fruition by the "cheerleader in chief".....countless claims that were unfulfilled.....well the real game changer will likely occur soon....I have a feeling. I won’t say "what have you got to lose"....quite the opposite.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2094 on: October 17, 2020, 05:00:45 AM »
Donald Trump is "the worst American president in modern history"
https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-worst-american-president-203503600.html

The US trade deficit is hurtling towards an all-time high
https://qz.com/1917419/the-us-trade-deficit-is-nearing-its-all-time-high/

Mitch ‘McConnell expects Donald Trump to lose ‘– and here’s how you know
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/mitch-mcconnell-expects-donald-trump-to-lose-and-heres-how-you-know/

Pfizer pours cold water on Trump’s scheme to release a COVID vaccine before election day: report
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/pfizer-pours-cold-water-on-trumps-scheme-to-release-a-vaccine-before-election-day-report/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2095 on: October 17, 2020, 11:30:08 PM »
Trump is ‘going to get absolutely crushed’: GOP campaign consultant paints grim portrait of president’s future
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/trump-is-going-to-get-absolutely-crushed-gop-campaign-consultant-paints-grim-portrait-of-presidents-future/

Trump facing a ‘crushing loss’ on election day as he scrambles to save states he won in 2016: report
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/trump-facing-a-crushing-loss-on-election-day-as-he-scrambles-to-save-states-he-won-in-2016-report/

Trump World’s desperate Hunter Biden pseudo-scandal backfired on them in record time
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/trump-worlds-desperate-hunter-biden-pseudo-scandal-backfired-on-them-in-record-time/

Indiana police department fires officer after he was outed on ‘Iron March’ Neo-Nazi forum
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/indiana-police-department-fires-officer-after-he-was-outed-on-iron-march-neo-nazi-forum/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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