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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2088 on: October 18, 2020, 04:15:20 PM »
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Yup. Biden should have held a large rally, packed shoulder to shoulder with mostly maskless attendees, in a state with a 20% infection rate.
Stable genius!

Let's try again - Old Joe had no events.  None.  Zero.  Just a couple weeks before the election.  It is incredible. He doesn't have to have a mass rally.  At least he could stand in his driveway and answer a few questions. Like whether Russians have fabricated a computer that indicates he is receiving millions from China.  Just clear that one up.  It is astounding.  Everyone should be concerned that a presidential candidate is hiding.   

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2089 on: October 18, 2020, 05:20:12 PM »
This can all be easily cleared up.  Hunter or Old Joe can just confirm it is a fake and not Hunter's computer.  That seems easy enough. Or the FBI, which has apparently had this computer for a long while, can confirm it is all faked.  Both campaigns and the American public deserve an answer before the election.  If this is a fake, then the Biden campaign deserves to have that confirmed.  If it is authentic, then the American public needs to know that Old Joe and Hunter are on the payroll of China and many other countries.  And imagine the "plan" for faking this.  The Russians leave a computer at some random shop and HOPE the proprietor discovers the information and turns it over to the authorities.  Or he is a Russian asset aiding them.  LOL.   Why do that instead of just revealing them via Wikileaks.  How about this though?  If you think the information is faked, the information it contains is obviously designed to disqualify Old Joe from running.  So if the information on this computer turns out to be authentic, then logically you agree it disqualifies him from running.  Right?  You can't have it both ways.

This can all be easily cleared up.  Hunter or Old Joe can just confirm it is a fake and not Hunter's computer.  That seems easy enough.

And play Giuliani's and Bannon's game? That's not the way it works... You can not make up stuff and then expect the other person to prove it's fake. This is the same crap you constantly try to pull in the JFK case.

Or the FBI, which has apparently had this computer for a long while, can confirm it is all faked

Just like the Tax Office doesn't comment, one way or the other, on Trump's four year old claim that he is being audited, the FBI also doesn't comment on (ongoing) investigations and their results. But, according to Giuliani, they apparently do indeed have the original hard drives and thus the meta data... Their lack of action indicates that they probably already know the whole thing is bogus!

Both campaigns and the American public deserve an answer before the election.

Just like the American people deserve an answer before the election about Trump tax returns, the money he owes and what he intends to do after taking away healthcare insurance during a pandemic, but I doubt we will get those answers anytime soon.

But in this case, it's rally easy... Have Giuliani provide the meta data on the hard drive. So far all he has done is talk and make allegations with no authenticated evidence anywhere in sight. Trump was advised over a year ago that Giuliani may be the victim of a Russian misinformation scheme and he did nothing about. That alone makes the entire story lack credibility. There can not be any other logical reason why Giuliani does not provide the meta data but that it doesn't support his claims!

And imagine the "plan" for faking this.  The Russians leave a computer at some random shop and HOPE the proprietor discovers the information and turns it over to the authorities.  Or he is a Russian asset aiding them.

I seriously doubt the shop was randomly chosen. Again you are not thinking clearly. For Giuliani and/or Bannon to publish the alledged content of the laptop they needed a cover story on how they got it in the first place. Not that it helped them much! The MSM instantly understood what was going on and even Giuliani's own daughter doesn't believe him! 

If you think the information is faked, the information it contains is obviously designed to disqualify Old Joe from running.  So if the information on this computer turns out to be authentic, then logically you agree it disqualifies him from running.  Right?  You can't have it both ways.

Typical narrow minded "Richard Smith" BS. The information is of course designed to harm Joe Biden, but that does not mean it automatically does harm him or disqualify him from running, even if the information is authentic. It allegedly is Hunter Biden's laptop and the only thing I have seen so far that even remotely comes close to his father is an "email" in which allegedly a Burisma director thanks Hunter for an opportunity to meet his father, without any kind of corroboration that any such a meeting ever took place.

Yesterday I watched a pathetic interview of Steve Bannon, on Australian Sky TV and he claims that all sorts of people had confirmed that emails on the laptop were indeed either send or received by them, but again not a shred of conclusive evidence! Just one more indication that this is all about politics and perceptions....
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2090 on: October 18, 2020, 05:38:10 PM »
This can all be easily cleared up.  Hunter or Old Joe can just confirm it is a fake and not Hunter's computer.  That seems easy enough.

And play Giuliani's and Bannon's game? That's not the way it works... You can not make up stuff and then expect the other person to prove it's fake. This is the same crap you constantly try to pull in the JFK case.

Or the FBI, which has apparently had this computer for a long while, can confirm it is all faked

The FBI doesn't comment on ongoing investigations and their results, but they apparently have the original hard drives and thus the meta data... They probably already know the whole thing is bogus!



Huh?  The "big guy" who could become President-elect just a couple weeks from now doesn't have to comment on emails that link him to payments from foreign governments!  Wow.  How would that be playing anyone's game?  That would be setting the record straight to his advantage if these are fake.  This is supposed to involve his own son's computer.  So all he has to do is go to a press event with Hunter and confirm it's not his computer or emails.   Instead they are going to let this string out indefinitely knowing they are fake?  You must live in a fantasy world.  If they were fake, the Biden's obviously would know that.   And they could clear this up.  That would be to their advantage.  If the FBI knows they are fake, they have an obligation to the Biden campaign to clear up the matter.  The Biden's should insist that they confirm or deny this fact.  Instead there is a resounding silence. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2091 on: October 18, 2020, 05:57:29 PM »
Huh?  The "big guy" who could become President-elect just a couple weeks from now doesn't have to comment on emails that link him to payments from foreign governments!  Wow.  How would that be playing anyone's game?  That would be setting the record straight to his advantage if these are fake.  This is supposed to involve his own son's computer.  So all he has to do is go to a press event with Hunter and confirm it's not his computer or emails.   Instead they are going to let this string out indefinitely knowing they are fake?  You must live in a fantasy world.  If they were fake, the Biden's obviously would know that.   And they could clear this up.  That would be to their advantage.  If the FBI knows they are fake, they have an obligation to the Biden campaign to clear up the matter.  The Biden's should insist that they confirm or deny this fact.  Instead there is a resounding silence.

Huh?  The "big guy" who could become President-elect just a couple weeks from now doesn't have to comment on emails that link him to payments from foreign governments!  Wow.  How would that be playing anyone's game? 

You need this to be explained? No shred of evidence has been provided that those emails are even authentic. Giuliani could have easily done so by releasing the meta data, but he hasn't, because he isn't interested in a criminal investigation. If he was he would have given the material to the DOJ instead of a newspaper. All Giuliani wants is the allegation getting as much media attention as possible. Just like Trump asked the President of Ukraine to announce an investigation against Biden, without actually having to conduct one, this is all about perception. The more the media talks about this pathetic allegation, the more people might start to believe it.

So, every word Biden says about this means that the media attention will continue. If he says nothing all the media will report on is some people whining about the fact that he isn't saying anything, which is exactly what is happening. Funny enough, SKY TV in Australia seems to be "reporting" more about this story than any outlet in America.

That would be setting the record straight to his advantage if these are fake.

All he could possible say is that they are fake. He would not be able to prove it, which would be the next thing required of him. Far easier to let Giuliani and Bannon prove the material is authentic.... They have the meta data, right? So, why don't they produce it?

This is supposed to involve his own son's computer.  So all he has to do is go to a press event with Hunter and confirm it's not his computer or emails. Instead they are going to let this string out indefinitely knowing they are fake? You must live in a fantasy world.

Again, anything that makes sense is totally beyond your comprehension. As it stands, outside the Trump bubble, Giuliani and Bannon aren't getting anywhere with this questionable story. The whole thing will die a quick death, unless Giuliani authenticates the content of the hard drives by providing the meta data. He really should have done that by now, because most people have already made up their mind and with the MSM not reporting on this matter at all, it will not have any effect on the election's outcome.

If they were fake, the Biden's obviously would know that. And they could clear this up. That would be to their advantage.

Please tell, how in the world would Biden be able to "clear this up"? If he says it's fake, would you believe it? I seriously doubt it. Instead you would demand proof that it is fake and there is no way that Biden can prove anything without having the hard drives in his possession first.

If the FBI knows they are fake, they have an obligation to the Biden campaign to clear up the matter.  The Biden's should insist that they confirm or deny this fact.  Instead there is a resounding silence.

More BS... The FBI is under no obligation to tell anybody anything about their investigations and their outcome. Biden can insist as much as he likes, but normally the FBI isn't even going to confirm that they are conducting or have conducted an investigation. You live in cuckoo land.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2092 on: October 19, 2020, 03:45:39 AM »
The Trump rallies are style over substance; yes, there is entertainment value in watching the buffoon deliver a few sound "bites" and scalding innuendo. If Trump loses, his antics and somewhat-refreshing directness will be noticeably absent.

Biden "events" are the opposite: substance over style. Hardly any entertainment value (though I'm predicting a monumental gaffe in the coming days). He could spice it up if he had Warren, Sanders, AOC and others "open" for him with brief remarks. But maybe he's trying to keep the "Left" under wraps.
So, Trump has " refreshing directness?
Do tell.
I'm sure the Biden camp is eager for your help.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2093 on: October 19, 2020, 05:12:07 AM »
Huh?  The "big guy" who could become President-elect just a couple weeks from now doesn't have to comment on emails that link him to payments from foreign governments!  Wow.  How would that be playing anyone's game?  That would be setting the record straight to his advantage if these are fake.  This is supposed to involve his own son's computer.  So all he has to do is go to a press event with Hunter and confirm it's not his computer or emails.   Instead they are going to let this string out indefinitely knowing they are fake?  You must live in a fantasy world.  If they were fake, the Biden's obviously would know that.   And they could clear this up.  That would be to their advantage.  If the FBI knows they are fake, they have an obligation to the Biden campaign to clear up the matter.  The Biden's should insist that they confirm or deny this fact.  Instead there is a resounding silence.

 :D :D :D

Love the right wing desperation. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2094 on: October 19, 2020, 05:15:01 AM »
"Dirty" Joe campaign events yesterday - none.

We are in the middle of a pandemic. This is why you don't hold events. Donald Trump doesn't care that he's killing his own deranged supporters.

Almost Two Dozen COVID-19 Infections Tied to Trump’s Minnesota Rallies
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/covid-coronavirus-infections-tied-to-trump-minnesota-rallies.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2095 on: October 19, 2020, 05:19:17 AM »
Be honest for once.  President Trump never "admitted" that he owed $400 million to foreign banks as you stated.  That was a lie.

More falsehoods from "Richard". He admitted it. 

'$400 Million Is a Peanut’: Trump Admits to, Downplays Massive Debt During Town Hall
The president claimed owing hundreds


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-town-hall-savannah-guthrie-tax-returns-debt-1076540/


Trump owed tens of millions to Bank of China
The president's financial dealings with the state-owned bank complicate his attacks on Biden


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/trump-biden-china-debt-205475

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2095 on: October 19, 2020, 05:19:17 AM »