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JFK: Trump, Russians, Cuban Missile Crisis
« on: July 16, 2020, 10:54:42 AM »
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We all know how Kennedy handled the Cuban Missile Crisis. What would have happened if we had a corrupt compromised idiot like Donald Trump at the helm? For starters, we know he would claim it "was all a hoax" and "it would magically go away". Americans would have been doomed and who knows what kind of disaster would have happened. One thing for sure, is the conservatives in 1960 would never have supported a vile corrupt pathological liar like Donald Trump as their nominee. People had intelligence and weren't brainwashed with a right wing hack media that pushes propaganda 24/7 which is state run television. Some people believe that former government officials had Russian connections, so Donald Trump isn't the only one with allegiance to Mother Russia. Thoughts?

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JFK: Trump, Russians, Cuban Missile Crisis
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Re: JFK: Trump, Russians, Cuban Missile Crisis
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Re: JFK: Trump, Russians, Cuban Missile Crisis
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2020, 11:03:09 AM »
Would we have survived the Cuban missile crisis if Donald Trump had been president in 1962?
Trump's disregard for U.S. intelligence is increasingly risky as threats mount, from Iran and North Korea to climate change and Russian aggression


Millions of Americans could have been killed in a matter of minutes. That’s how terrifying it was during the Cuban missile crisis — easily the most frightening moment of the Cold War. The only reason we are here today is because President John F. Kennedy and Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev were able to work together to avoid nuclear holocaust. And, it should be noted, it was a close call.

But what if, in October 1962, Donald Trump had been president? If he had said he didn’t trust the intelligence he was shown about Soviet missiles in Cuba? If he instead had said that he believed Soviet denials about not having any missiles? And what if he had harmed his relationship with the intelligence community from the beginning of his presidency by accusing its agents of Nazi-like behavior?

We ask such questions about Trump because his relationship with the U.S. intelligence community has been deeply rooted in hostility and paranoia from Day One. It’s perfectly normal for a president to push back against the IC and to question it. But Trump’s public, often belittling attacks on the experienced men and women who work to keep us safe reflects something different: an apparent lack of interest in, or respect for, data and analysis that fail to validate his preexisting views. Sen. Mark Warner, vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. put it best: “People risk their lives for the intelligence he just tosses aside on Twitter.”

And therein lies the danger to us all.

One example, especially pertinent now as tensions mount with Iran: Trump’s handpicked director of national intelligence — former Indiana Sen. Daniel Coats, a Republican — told Congress in January that Iran, while still a menace, was complying with the 2015 agreement designed to prevent it from developing nuclear weapons. Yet Trump believed what he wanted to believe.

The Intelligence people seem to be extremely passive and naive when it comes to the dangers of Iran,” he tweeted. “They are wrong!” He added an insult: “Perhaps Intelligence should go back to school!”

What next, side with Japan on Pearl Harbor?

Nor does Trump buy U.S. intelligence on North Korea. He still seems to think Kim Jong Un will magically give up his nuclear weapons, even though the IC assessment doesn't see it that way.

Trump hasn’t caught on to the fact that Kim, the brutal leader of a tiny, impoverished country, is the one making demands now, giving the U.S. president until Dec. 31 to shape up and stop being “impracticable.” Trump once gushed like a giddy teenager about how he “fell in love” with Kim and now wants another date — a third summit. But the president doesn’t get that he has been dumped. His insistence that everything remains on track, all intelligence to the contrary, is not a prescription for wise policy.

Trump also says the Islamic State terrorist organization has been wiped out; his own intelligence chiefs say no: “ISIS still commands thousands of fighters in Iraq and Syria, and it maintains eight branches, more than a dozen networks, and thousands of dispersed supporters around the world.”

And Trump has famously said that climate change is a “hoax.” His own intelligence chiefs warn of “environmental and ecological degradation, as well as climate change,” that “are likely to fuel competition for resources, economic distress and social discontent through 2019 and beyond.”

Then, of course, is the most famous example of all: Trump tossing his intelligence chiefs under the bus on Russia. You’ll recall that stunning news conference last year in Helsinki, where Trump sided with Russian President Vladimir Putin and dismissed the U.S. intelligence community's findings that Moscow interfered in the 2016 election. “I will tell you,” the president said as the delighted Kremlin dictator stood just feet away, “that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.” What next, side with the Japanese on Pearl Harbor? 

Cross your fingers if a true crisis erupts

We have a president who doesn’t believe in facts, dismisses his intelligence advisers, places his faith in dictators and gets his news from blow-dried bootlickers on Fox & Friends. What happens when a true crisis erupts? If Kim resumes testing of long-range missiles? If Russia makes a move on the Baltics, which are now members of NATO? If climate change spawns deadlier, more frequent storms, fires and drought, and more global migration?

And what happens if you appear to make decisions not in terms of what’s best for the country but what’s best for you? This is what sets Trump apart from his predecessors. We’ve certainly questioned past presidents and their handling of crises — notably and most recently George W. Bush’s overreliance on what turned out to be faulty intelligence leading to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. But we’ve never seriously wondered whether Bush, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln,.Franklin Roosevelt or any other presidents cared about themselves more than the country, or were somehow selling out or beholden to a foreign power. It is extraordinary, and disturbing, that such questions continue to be asked of our current president.

This is why we can thank our lucky stars that 2 1/2 years into his presidency, Trump hasn’t been confronted (as far as we know) with the kind of crisis that would force him to make, in a highly pressurized, short-time frame, decisions that JFK had to make, decisions that in minutes could mean life or death for millions. Thank God it hasn’t come to that, for I honestly don’t know whether Trump — based on all we know and have seen since January 2017 — would make such decisions based on what’s best for national security or what’s best for Donald Trump.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/05/16/donald-trump-intelligence-community-disdain-national-crisis-decision-dictators-column/3678884002/

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Re: JFK: Trump, Russians, Cuban Missile Crisis
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Re: JFK: Trump, Russians, Cuban Missile Crisis
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2020, 11:33:40 AM »
I Was A Counterterrorism Chief. Trump Knew What Russia Was Doing 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/opinion/trump-russia-bounties.html

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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2020, 11:37:58 AM »
AP sources: White House aware of Russian bounties in 2019

Top officials in the White House were aware in early 2019 of classified intelligence indicating Russia was secretly offering bounties to the Taliban for the deaths of Americans, a full year earlier than has been previously reported, according to U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the intelligence.

The assessment was included in at least one of President Donald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officials. Then-national security adviser John Bolton also told colleagues he briefed Trump on the intelligence assessment in March 2019.

The White House did not respond to questions about Trump or other officials’ awareness of Russia’s provocations in 2019. The White House has said Trump was not — and still has not been — briefed on the intelligence assessments because they have not been fully verified. However, it is rare for intelligence to be confirmed without a shadow of a doubt before it is presented to top officials.

Bolton declined to comment Monday when asked by the AP if he had briefed Trump about the matter in 2019. On Sunday, he suggested to NBC’s “Meet the Press” that Trump was claiming ignorance of Russia’s provocations to justify his administration’s lack of a response.

"He can disown everything if nobody ever told him about it,” Bolton said.

The revelations cast new doubt on the White House’s efforts to distance Trump from the Russian intelligence assessments. The AP reported Sunday that concerns about Russian bounties were also included in a second written presidential daily briefing earlier this year and that current national security adviser Robert O’Brien had discussed the matter with Trump. O’Brien denies he did so.

On Monday night, O’Brien said that while the intelligence assessments regarding Russian bounties “have not been verified,” the administration has “been preparing should the situation warrant action.”

The administration’s earlier awareness of the Russian efforts raises additional questions about why Trump did not take any punitive action against Moscow for efforts that put the lives of Americans servicemembers at risk. Trump has sought throughout his time in office to improve relations with Russia and its president, Vladimir Putin, moving earlier this year to try to reinstate Russia as part of a group of world leaders it had been kicked out of.

Officials said they did not consider the intelligence assessments in 2019 to be particularly urgent, given that Russian meddling in Afghanistan is not a new occurrence. The officials with knowledge of Bolton’s apparent briefing for Trump said it contained no “actionable intelligence,” meaning the intelligence community did not have enough information to form a strategic plan or response. However, the classified assessment of Russian bounties was the sole purpose of the meeting.

The officials insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose the highly sensitive information.

The intelligence that surfaced in early 2019 indicated Russian operatives had become more aggressive in their desire to contract with the Taliban and members of the Haqqani Network, a militant group aligned with the Taliban in Afghanistan and designated a foreign terrorist organization in 2012 during the Obama administration.

The National Security Council and the undersecretary of defense for intelligence did hold meetings regarding the intelligence. The Pentagon declined to comment and the NSC did not respond to questions about the meetings.

Concerns about Russian bounties flared anew this year after members of the elite Naval Special Warfare Development Group, known to the public as SEAL Team Six, raided a Taliban outpost and recovered roughly $500,000 in U.S. currency. The funds bolstered the suspicions of the American intelligence community that the Russians had offered money to Taliban militants and other linked associations.

The White House contends the president was unaware of this development as well.

The officials told the AP that career government officials developed potential options for the White House to respond to the Russian aggression in Afghanistan, which was first reported by The New York Times. However, the Trump administration has yet to authorize any action.

The intelligence in 2019 and 2020 surrounding Russian bounties was derived in part from debriefings of captured Taliban militants. Officials with knowledge of the matter told the AP that Taliban operatives from opposite ends of the country and from separate tribes offered similar accounts.

The officials would not name the specific groups or give specific locations in Afghanistan or time frames for when they were detained.

Dmitry Peskov, a spokesman for Putin, denied that Russian intelligence officers had offered payments to the Taliban in exchange for targeting U.S. and coalition forces.

The U.S. is investigating whether any Americans died as a result of the Russian bounties. Officials are focused in particular on an April 2019 attack on an American convoy. Three U.S. Marines were killed after a car rigged with explosives detonated near their armored vehicles as they returned to Bagram Airfield, the largest U.S. military installation in Afghanistan.

The Marines exchanged gunfire with the vehicle at some point; however, it’s not known if the gunfire occurred before or after the car exploded.

Abdul Raqib Kohistani, the Bagram district police chief, said at the time that at least five Afghan civilians were wounded after the attack on the convoy, according to previous reporting by the AP. It is not known if the civilians were injured by the car bomb or the gunfire from U.S. Marines.

The Defense Department identified Marine Staff Sgt. Christopher Slutman, 43, of Newark, Delaware; Sgt. Benjamin Hines, 31, of York, Pennsylvania; and Cpl. Robert Hendriks, 25, of Locust Valley, New York, as the Marines killed in April 2019. The three Marines were all infantrymen assigned to 2nd Battalion, 25th Marines, a reserve infantry unit headquartered out of Garden City, New York.

Hendriks’ father told the AP that even a rumor of Russian bounties should have been immediately addressed.

“If this was kind of swept under the carpet as to not make it a bigger issue with Russia, and one ounce of blood was spilled when they knew this, I lost all respect for this administration and everything,” Erik Hendriks said.

Marine Maj. Roger Hollenbeck said at the time that the reserve unit was a part of the Georgia Deployment Program-Resolute Support Mission, a recurring six-month rotation between U.S. Marines and Georgian Armed Forces. The unit first deployed to Afghanistan in October 2018.

Three other service members and an Afghan contractor were also wounded in the attack. As of April 2019, the attack was under a separate investigation, unrelated to the Russian bounties, to determine how it unfolded.

The officials who spoke to the AP also said they were looking closely at insider attacks — sometimes called “green-on-blue” incidents — from 2019 to determine if they are also linked to Russian bounties.

https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1

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Re: JFK: Trump, Russians, Cuban Missile Crisis
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Re: JFK: Trump, Russians, Cuban Missile Crisis
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2020, 03:23:18 PM »
Top Mueller lawyer to publish insider account of Trump-Russia investigation

Andrew Weissmann’s ‘meticulous account’ due in September


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/13/robert-mueller-lawyer-trump-russia-andrew-weissmann

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Re: JFK: Trump, Russians, Cuban Missile Crisis
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2020, 04:50:48 PM »
Trump couldn’t spell Cuba if you gave him the “C” and the “A”.

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Re: JFK: Trump, Russians, Cuban Missile Crisis
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2020, 05:13:37 PM »
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Rick Plant wrote:

"Some people believe that former government officials had Russian connections, so Donald Trump [sic] isn't the only one with allegiance to Mother Russia."
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Dear Frederick,

What former government officials?

Although Roger "Ratxxxxxx" Stone (with help from Harley Schlanger of the fascistic pro-Russia Lyndon LaRouche organization) probably helped Vladimir Putin, Julian Assange and Donald Trump coordinate the dumpings of the stolen-by-Russia DNC emails during the 2016 campaign, he officially quit it in August of 2015 and never did become a "government official".

Are you speaking of Michael Flynn?

Who else?

--  MWT  ;)
« Last Edit: July 16, 2020, 06:01:28 PM by Thomas Graves »

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Re: JFK: Trump, Russians, Cuban Missile Crisis
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