So, you were "fooled" by Oliver Stone?
There's this idea, uh, "critical thinking"?
Is the actual problem there are not enough threads like Tommy's, especially if no one seems interested in countering "face saving" BS?
John, the problem is that Garrison conned what has become a cult of personality and DiEugenio advises Oliver Stone. Earlier in this thread, I supported my observation that Clay Shaw, Nicholas Lemann, and Jim Garrison kept the same secret.... that Garrison's father-in-law was the uncle of Garrison "CIA nemesis" David Baldwin and his brother Edward, and David happened to be married to Mildred Lyons, whose mother, Mildred Crumb Lyons Lemann was Nicholas's grandmother, and was also the step-mother of Nicholas's father, Thomas, and Garrison's "WDSU outside counsel-CIA paymaster, Stephen B. Lemann. Stephen happened to give a break to a Dallas priest, down on his luck!
DiEugenio experiences almost no dissent where he posts most prominently. He refuses to debate, but I've mocked his manipulative substitute for facts supported debate. I had made it clear, in a number of posts Jim could not have missed, 2-1/2 years before Jim posted this,
that the trigger for my interest in Garrison misleading his supporters and journalists was accidentally finding this in early 2016.:
I found the obit above while searching for background on Clay Shaw's first CIA hire, David G Baldwin, III. My search terms were the family name of Adele Raworth, which was Ziegler, and the name of Adele's second husband, Raworth. So, learning that the Baldwin brothers, described by authors Joan Mellen and Jim DiEugenio as "the CIA people" and Garrison's WDSU-outside-counsel-known-to-distribute-CIA-funds-in-NOLA, Stephen B Lemann just happening to be David Baldwin's brother-in-law, and "journalist" Nicholas B. Lemann happening to be Stephen Lemann's nephew, I found the debate between Oliver Stone's screenplay partner Zachary Sklar and Nicholas B Lemann a billboard sized indicator that Jim Garrison had misled his autobiography editor, Jeremy Sklar and that Oliver Stone's researchers had failed to protect the two "JFK, the film" screenwriters and character casters from the deception of Garrison and his soon to be spouse for the second time, Elizabeth Ziegler Garrison!
Nicholas B Lemann's uncle happened to hire a former Dallas priest.
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/S%20Disk/Stone%20Oliver%20JFK%20Movie/Gentleman%27s%20Quarterly/Item%2002.pdf
Lemann's undisclosed conflicts of interests and stated belief he was free to mislead if writing a magazine piece, came in handy, a dozen years later.:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University_Graduate_School_of_Journalism
The Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism is the journalism school of Columbia University. It is located in Pulitzer Hall on Columbia's Morningside Heights campus in New York City.
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A doctoral program was established in 2001. In 2005, Nicholas Lemann, two years into his tenure as dean, created a second more specialized master's program leading to a master of arts degree. .....
It didn't boost my confidence when I found that the most prominent print attack on Garrison himself, distributed in the same week as JFK, the Film,
was a guy who would soon become dean of a prestigious University Graduate School of Journalism, armed only with an undergraduate degree and a career of writing and reporting that included two other attacks on Jim Garrison. And, Lemann's first job after being undergraduate editor or the Harvard Crimson,
was a desk next to Tom Bethell's.:https://washingtonmonthly.com/2009/11/01/windmills-revisited/
Windmills, Revisited | Washington Monthly washingtonmonthly.com › Magazine
Nov 1, 2009 - by Nicholas Lemann ... conservativebut, when I joined the magazine, the other editorial employee besides me and Charlie was Tom Bethell, ...
http://www.aei.org/publication/new-orleans-mon-amour/
Mar 23, 2007 - Tom Bethell, dismayed by media coverage, traveled back to the beautiful and ....Later, I would go uptown to see Brown, who is a part-owner of the Maple Leaf Bar, a prominent venue for live music. But as a preliminary step I paid a call on an old acquaintance, Thomas B. Lemann , a lawyer well known to the city's establishment.. ... the consumption of oysters now requires a trek into the French Quarter.
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/thread-15982-post-124219.html#pid124219
Jim DiEugenio
#4 09-12-2018, 12:09 AM
Tom, I like you personally and I think you usually do good work and I defended you when people were attacking your approach at EF.
But I am at a loss to explain how you fell for Carpenter. This is a guy who writes for Max Holland. I stopped reading his book when I saw how he covered up the military record of Thrasher who Shaw worked for......
https://variety.com/2019/tv/global/agc-television-picks-up-worldwide-oliver-stones-jfk-destiny-betrayed-1203368818/Oct 12, 2019 11:00pm PT
AGC Television Picks up Worldwide on Oliver Stone’s ‘JFK: Destiny Betrayed’
By John Hopewell
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