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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2020, 07:44:27 AM »
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How do you know what a cop was "hoping"?

It is logical.


So? How many people really knew that at that time?

Millions. The radio broadcasts kept stressing that the President and the Governor were wounded, both in critical condition with the doctors working to save their lives. No one reported either as DOA.


How do you know that the reference was to NBC 820 AM radio? TV was the main media at the time. Why must "we assume" there was an 820 broadcast?

Was the policeman E. G. Sabastian watching TV? The main NBC TV broadcast reporters were not set up to monitor the Dallas police department radio. Only the local news stations were set up to do that.

And because of the link I posted before:

http://www.dfwradioarchives.info/1960s.htm

In each of the years, 1960 through 1965, the NBC station was 820 AM, the ABC station was 570 AM. Sometimes the local station WBAP would be broadcasting on 820 AM for NBC. Sometimes it was WFAA. But when either was broadcasting for NBC it was always on 820 AM.

We know it was not on the NBC TV Broadcast. We know it was not on the national NBC radio broadcast out of New York, which I don’t know was available in Dallas on any station. That leaves the local NBC 820 AM frequency. To know that Mr. Brewer could not have heard such an announcement, we need a recording of the broadcast on that day for 820 AM. Without it, no one can say that Mr. Brewer could not have heard that announcement before Oswald showed up.

So, yes, you need to find the 820 AM broadcast to prove no NBC station made such an announcement.


At 1:30 all ears were glued to what was the fate of the president. What you are doing is basically stating that--- [using 1:15 as the time of the shooting] ---in less than 12 minutes!...some news report states the cop "DOA"! Now how was that humanly possible?You are a "CT" ? OK, But I am not. I am a skeptic. How do you know there was even a broadcast on 820?

Easy. Reporters compete the get out news as fast as possible. I have heard that several local stations monitor the police radio frequency. They might even have found out from hanging around police headquarters, a good place to be where reports are first funneled into. In any case, monitoring the police radio frequencies can allow them to get the information at the speed of light. They can have the news as soon as the police dispatcher did, within a minute or two.

I don’t know for certain if it did happen or not. Although if it didn’t happen, I’m mighty perplexed out how Officer E. G. Sabastian became convinced that it did happen and report this immediately. In any case, it is not impossible nor extremely unlikely. Mr. Brewer might get confused within the next two weeks. Officer E. G. Sabastian? That’s a harder sell.


As you mention ...there was a time share involved with the AM broadcasts--So the request may just be for some broadcast that didn't exist.  The NBC broadcasting was given in replies #14 and the New York feed #18. You yourself posted the NBC TV feed. Why not just listen to them? If you hear about the policeman being shot please point out the section.

Reply # 14, for WBAP was the ABC feed. It said at the beginning, in the first minute, that it was an ABC broadcast, on 570 AM. Checking the ABC feed tells us nothing.

Reply # 18 was the New York NBC radio broadcast, which, as far as I know, was not even available in Dallas without a special radio. Checking the national NBC feed that a regular radio could not get in Dallas tells us nothing.

You need the NBC 820 AM broadcast, to eliminate the possibility of Mr. Brewer hearing it. Otherwise, with Officer E. G. Sabastian reporting immediately that he just heard such an NBC announcement, with Mr. Brewer saying within two weeks that he heard such an announcement, they probably both heard such an announcement.

I used to believe that Mr. Brewer probably could not have heard that announcement. New evidence caused me to change my mind. It will take new evidence to cause me to change it back.

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2020, 07:44:27 AM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
« Reply #49 on: August 03, 2020, 05:43:06 PM »
MR.CHAPMAN: There you go again: Ignoring the wailing cop-cars, news of the assassination, a guy observed by Brewer to be attempting to hide, and then conclude that Brewer had no reason to suspect anything.
MR.IACOLETTI: Strawman. I made no such argument.
MR.CHAPMAN: Reply #8 July 31, 2020, 03:25:47 AM ("to justify why he was suspicious of this man")
MR.CHAPMAN: Now show us where Brewer claimed to be doubting his reasons for following Oswald. Seems to me that's nothing but Iacoletti conjecture.
MR.IACOLETTI: When did I ever ever claim he did?
Mr.CHAPMAN: Reply #8 July 31, 2020, 03:25:47 AM ("to justify why he was suspicious of this man")
MR.IACOLETTI: Brewer never said “attempting to hide'.
MR.CHAPMAN:  ::) You and your semantics. 'Attempting to hide': Same difference as stepping into the foyer at the sudden approach of cop cars, turning his back, glancing over his shoulder, then leaving immediately after the cop cars disappear. But I guess Oswald was just shy. Btw, Brewer did not say the man was 'standing in front of his shop' as you claim (Reply #8 July 31, 2020, 03:25:47 AM) "to justify why he was suspicious of this man standing in front of his shop"

Typical Chapman.  He makes a claim ("attempting to hide") that a witness never said, and when called on it, he whines about "semantics".

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2020, 05:44:39 PM »
Where did Brewer state that Oswald looked dangerous? This is not hard to figure out: The dangerous part would be following a guy who might well be armed, given his observed behaviour regarding the cop cars.

Yeah, because in Chapman-land, looking in a window while cop-cars are going by means "armed".

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2020, 05:44:39 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
« Reply #51 on: August 03, 2020, 05:46:32 PM »
If Oswald really wasn't "acting funny" and looking "scared" and looking as if he had been "running" when Johnny Brewer saw him in the lobby of his shoe store, then please give me one good reason for Brewer wanting to follow this person up the street to the theater on November 22nd?

Brewer didn't really have one -- hence the fabricated radio report.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
« Reply #52 on: August 03, 2020, 05:52:41 PM »
The Dictabelt recording show the police discussing NBC reporting the shooting of a police officer at 1:27 and 1:28. So I would assume that the local NBC radio station had reported this by this time.

Again, the policeman on the recording said "NBC News is reporting DOA".  Not WBAP or the local NBC radio affiliate, or whatever.  NBC News made no such report.  End of story.  And just because a cop says something over the police radio doesn't mean that you can assume it's true anyway.

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2020, 06:07:15 PM »
Joe bases his theory on some obscure radio report that he nor anyone else seems able to find.
Such a phantom broadcast is possible but yet it is impossible for Brewer's statements to have been just a yarn?
The Sixth Floor Museum may offer something more about the radio broadcasts.....
https://www.jfk.org/sixth-floor-museum-acquires-jfk-assassination-coverage-collection-cumulus-media-wbap-820/

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2020, 06:12:43 PM »
Reply # 14, for WBAP was the ABC feed. It said at the beginning, in the first minute, that it was an ABC broadcast, on 570 AM. Checking the ABC feed tells us nothing.

Listen to the WBAP video around time stamp 3:15:00 - 3:45:00. They are definitely carrying NBC coverage at that time.  The official flash from Kilduff is reported at timestamp 3:37:00.  There is a 1:00 time-check at timestamp 03:05:05.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2020, 09:20:12 PM »
Yeah, because in Chapman-land, looking in a window while cop-cars are going by means "armed".

Yeah, while looking in a window set inside the foyer, away from the sidewalk
Yeah, while watching cop-cars 'going by' at speed with sirens wailing.
Yeah, while catching the attention of Brewer.

Oh, yeah... show us were I said anything more than that being armed would be a possibility given Brewer's description of the scene.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2020, 10:43:38 PM by Bill Chapman »

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Re: My Re-Evaluation of Johnny Brewer’s Initial Report of December 6, 1963
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