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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2020, 01:51:11 AM »
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Oswald was tested in December of 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a "sharpshooter" in a scale of marksman--sharpshooter--expert.777 In May of 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a "marksman." 778 The Marine Corps records maintained on Oswald further show that he had fired and was familiar with the Browning Automatic rifle, .45 caliber pistol, and 12-gage riot gun.779
Based on the general Marine Corps ratings, Lt. Col. A. G. Folsom, Jr., head, Records Branch, Personnel Department, Headquarters U.S. Marine Corps, evaluated the sharpshooter qualification as a "fairly good shot." and a low marksman rating as a "rather poor shot."

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-4.html#marine
Based on this statement from the final report's conclusions...Oswald's shooting actually got worse :D
This is based on bench rest firing at a stationary target with a Springfield Armory M-1 Garand :-\
To accredit Lee Oswald as having been an accomplished proficient sniper based on his Marine training is just plain laughable silliness!
Question for anyone...Who wrote that final report anyway?

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2020, 02:23:46 AM »

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-4.html#marine
Based on this statement from the final report's conclusions...Oswald's shooting actually got worse :D
This is based on bench rest firing at a stationary target with a Springfield Armory M-1 Garand :-\
To accredit Lee Oswald as having been an accomplished proficient sniper based on his Marine training is just plain laughable silliness!
Question for anyone...Who wrote that final report anyway?

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Oswald's shooting actually got worse

Stop the presses. Like this is a new discovery? Yes. His scores got worse. In 1956 he was rated a sharpshooter, which is better than most Marine recruits who passed their shooting tests. In 1959, he barely rated as Marksman. But that is still good. To barely be rated as Marksman, you have to hit targets at 200, 300 and 500 yards, using the iron sights. So, hitting a target at 88 yards, with iron sights, does not seem to be beyond his capabilities.

As an aside, I would guess it was not unusual for Marines to do worse three years later if they chose to reenlist. Particularly if their duties do not require using the rifle but something else, like working with radar. Their most intensive training is generally during boot camp. I don’t think they are trained nearly as intensely, if at all, when they reenlist. At least, I have never heard that to be the case. If their skills have deteriorated too much and they will fail their rifle tests, they have to be retrained and retested. But this did not prove to be necessary for Oswald. He passed on his first attempt in 1959, just like he did in 1956.

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2020, 03:50:28 AM »
Wow. You’re actually a 21 year veteran? You lost totally credibility the moment you said 399 was a “nearly pristine bullet”. Firstly, 399 wasn’t remotely pristine for multiple reasons. It was “leaking” toothpaste (lead) from its bottom indicating it had yawed at some point, which in this case was hitting bone as it bounced around Connally’s body. In addition the bullet was bowed considerably in its center. 399 behaved exactly as a full metal jacked bullet was designed to behave. More important however is your continued conspiracy bias and either ignorance of the actual evidence or your never ending attempts at deception. Anybody with your military experience surely must know in ballistics, ONLY a bullet never fired is considered pristine. Nearly pristine is an oxymoron.

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2020, 04:09:27 AM »
In 1959, he barely rated as Marksman. But that is still good.
If you say so  :D

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2020, 04:23:32 AM »
Wow. You’re actually a 21 year veteran? You lost totally credibility the moment you said 399 was a “nearly pristine bullet”. Firstly, 399 wasn’t remotely pristine for multiple reasons. It was “leaking” toothpaste (lead) from its bottom indicating it had yawed at some point, which in this case was hitting bone as it bounced around Connally’s body. In addition the bullet was bowed considerably in its center. 399 behaved exactly as a full metal jacked bullet was designed to behave. More important however is your continued conspiracy bias and either ignorance of the actual evidence or your never ending attempts at deception. Anybody with your military experience surely must know in ballistics, ONLY a bullet never fired is considered pristine. Nearly pristine is an oxymoron.
If you really really want to get anal about it...a truly pristine bullet is one that has never even been loaded into a casing..... so what?
CE 399 was fired sure.
Into what--- no one will ever know.

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Offline Paul May

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2020, 09:26:27 PM »
If you really really want to get anal about it...a truly pristine bullet is one that has never even been loaded into a casing..... so what?
CE 399 was fired sure.
Into what--- no one will ever know.

Ridiculous you post this crap after 57 years. Nothing anal about it. The FACT is virtually every conspiracy type refers to 399 as “virtually”, “almost”, “practically” pristine. There was NOTHING remotely pristine about 399.

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2020, 12:33:48 AM »
  There was NOTHING remotely pristine about 399.

 

Which bullet is the more "pristine"? Who is being ridiculous now?
Concession...CE 399 was fired from the 6th floor rifle. That was scientifically proven.
Other than that it is meaningless...we don't know when or where or into what it was fired.

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2020, 01:04:25 AM »
This is embarrassing. You show the very same photo ALL conspiracy types show. I know you have other photos. Let’s see the bottom.

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2020, 01:04:25 AM »