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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #120 on: March 06, 2018, 12:16:41 AM »
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You would be an expert on delusional minds given your theory in this instance.  We have reached the point of impasse.  You have provided all manner of unsupported, outlandish fantasies involving the elevator and Mooney.  But you refuse to acknowledge the most obvious.  That he simply didn't know how to work an old freight elevator that did require more than just pushing a button.

And as we see here again, something is the "most obvious" solely based on Richard's unsubstantiated opinion.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #121 on: March 06, 2018, 12:19:18 AM »
The totality of evidence suggests there was no power outage.  The Hine testimony relates to the lights on her phone.

That's just your speculation.  Hine didn't say "lights on her phone".  Your speculations do not constitute evidence.

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #122 on: March 06, 2018, 04:19:53 AM »
You would have to be a particularly  stupid cop not to be able to operate a push button elevator.

Again Ray, you didn't just step onto those elevators , press a button and up you went. There was more to it than that.

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #123 on: March 06, 2018, 01:41:54 PM »
You would have to be a particularly  stupid cop not to be able to operate a push button elevator.

Certainly no stupider than to have 50 plus years to understand how these elevators worked and still not be able to figure it out. 

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #124 on: March 06, 2018, 01:55:15 PM »


Who in the world do you think claimed there was an external power outage to that location, like the power going off to a city block?



One obvious possibility for any power outage is that its source is external to the building.  Coming from someone who claims it is a strawman argument that anyone has suggested a conspiracy - even though that claim has been made directly and indirectly by many of your nutty kindred - it is particularly odd to exclude a random, external power outage from the discussion as to the source of the alleged power outage.  That leaves someone in the building intentionally turning off the power.  Why would any conspirator risk being in the building long after the assassination to briefly turn the power off and on to the freight elevators?  It doesn't add up.  I'm simply addressing all the possibilities for a power outage.  That includes an external source.  The point being that the Hertz sign would not be operational if the source was an external outage.  Because the sign was working - regardless of whether it was on the same or separate power source as the TSBD - that tells us there was no external power outage to that location.  The sign is relevant in ruling out that possibility.

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Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #125 on: March 06, 2018, 04:22:28 PM »
Again Ray, you didn't just step onto those elevators , press a button and up you went. There was more to it than that.

Please explain exactly what you have to do to make them operate correctly, Tim.

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #126 on: March 06, 2018, 09:19:42 PM »
One obvious possibility for any power outage is that its source is external to the building.  Coming from someone who claims it is a strawman argument that anyone has suggested a conspiracy - even though that claim has been made directly and indirectly by many of your nutty kindred

The strawman is the vast fantasy conspiracy of thousands who meticulously planned every little detail of what happened that day and the months leading up to it.  That's the one you keep invoking in your counter-arguments, and yes, you are nutty to keep inventing it.

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Because the sign was working - regardless of whether it was on the same or separate power source as the TSBD - that tells us there was no external power outage to that location.  The sign is relevant in ruling out that possibility.

Cool, you've ruled out that possibility.  Now how about actually supporting your claim that there was not a power outage of any kind and that Mooney just didn't know how to work the elevator and neither did Adams (or what excuse did you use for her?), and that Hine was talking about lights on her phone?

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Re: Power cut important clarification required
« Reply #127 on: March 07, 2018, 09:58:30 PM »
Please explain exactly what you have to do to make them operate correctly, Tim.

Ray, watch the following video up to the 1:20 mark and you'll get what I believe is a good visual explanation as to why the elevator failed to work for Officer Mooney.


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« Reply #127 on: March 07, 2018, 09:58:30 PM »