JFK's Head Was Hit with Frangible Ammo, not FMJ Ammo

[Bill Chapman]

I am not a ballistic expert, but I would say the difference is between a WCC/MC with the lead core exposed, moving through brain tissue, and a similar bullet moving through thin air.

As Larry Sturdivan explained in his book, “The JFK Myths”, but bullet broke into at least 3 fragments while moving through the brain, with smaller fragments being stripped off along the way. I am paraphrasing here with my own words to give the jest of what I recalled he was saying.


And I don’t know anything about any fragments being deposited on the outside of the back of the head.


The third fragment was never found. It probably just cleared the windshield, nicked Mr. Tague and continued flying through the air and was never found.


Moving through thin air, a WCC/MC is not going to leave a string of tiny fragments within Skull # 1870. But would do so within a skull filled with a brain.


Find me a professional ballistic expert who disagrees with any of this. The CTers have not found one, anywhere in the world, for over 56 years.

Find me a professional ballistic expert who disagrees with any of this. The CTers have not found one, anywhere in the world, for over 56 years.

That's not all CTers haven't found in over 56 years

[Ray Mitcham]

Interesting video I had never seen before by a Student Doctor at Parkland, who was one of the first medics to see JFK wheeled in and his head wounds.

Seems to confirm what the rest of the Parkland doctors said that there was big wound in the back of the head.

Relevant details start at 3.00 point of the video.

[John Iacoletti]

The back wound was higher than the throat wound, as is clear from the autopsy photographs.

There's no publicly available autopsy photo that shows these wounds relative to each other.

[John Iacoletti]

As Larry Sturdivan explained in his book, “The JFK Myths”, but bullet broke into at least 3 fragments while moving through the brain, with smaller fragments being stripped off along the way.

How would Larry Sturdivan know how many fragments JFK's head shot broke into?

[Michael Walton]

There's no publicly available autopsy photo that shows these wounds relative to each other.

Wrong, Joe. Here's a photo of the FBI (read government) reenactment event. They had access to all materials including the autopsy report. Notice the stickers they're putting on the Kennedy stand in. Because there was no back throat wound, the sticker on the back of the neck is higher than the upper back entrance wound.

The autopsy photo of the back shows no wound on the back of the neck, but does show the upper back wound. Therefore, the higher up sticker represents the front of the throat wound, the same wound that Perry cut into for the tube.

So there's plenty of evidence that both of these wounds couldn't possibly be caused by the same bullet. Hence, the fudging and massaging of the record by the lawyers to come up with a way to show that one bullet magically created all wounds.

[Bill Chapman]

Wrong, Joe. Here's a photo of the FBI (read government) reenactment event. They had access to all materials including the autopsy report. Notice the stickers they're putting on the Kennedy stand in. Because there was no back throat wound, the sticker on the back of the neck is higher than the upper back entrance wound.

The autopsy photo of the back shows know wound on the back of the neck, but does show the upper back wound. Therefore, the higher up sticker represents the front of the throat wound, the same wound that Perry cut into for the tube.

So there's plenty of evidence that both of these wounds couldn't possibly be caused by the same bullet. Hence, the fudging and massaging of the record by the lawyers to come up with a way to show that one bullet magically created all wounds.

Jerry Organ has schooled you on this so many times that it's not even funny.

[Michael T. Griffith]

Jerry Organ has schooled you on this so many times that it's not even funny.

Jerry Organ doesn't know enough about the case to school anyone on anything. He keeps posting goofy graphics even after the egregious errors in the graphics have been pointed out to him. He'll make a claim; the claim will be refuted; and then the next day he'll repeat the claim and will make no effort to even address the counter-arguments.

The dot on the agent's jacket was intended to show the location of the back wound based on the holes in the back of JFK's shirt and coat, a perfectly logical, credible thing to do, especially since the clothing holes put the back wound where it was put by the death certificate (marked "verified"), by the autopsy face sheet (also marked "verified"), by the Sibert and O'Neill report on the autopsy, by the FBI report on the autopsy, by Rankin's comment during the 1/27/64 WC executive session, by Clint Hill's description of the wound, by Roy Kellerman's description of the wound, and by Dr. John Ebersole's description of the wound.

The HSCA FPP moved the back wound down by about 1.5 inches and to the left by about 1 inch from where the WC placed the wound. The HSCA FPP's placement was closer to the truth. Yet, Canning, the HSCA's trajectory expert, could not even begin to get the SBT's trajectories to work without ditching the FPP's placement and going with the WC's placement.

And to bring the conversation back to the topic of the thread, allow me to add that no FMJ bullet in any ballistics test or in any known forensic case has burst into dozens of fragments, much less deposited two mid-section fragments on the outer table of the skull while ejecting the nose and tail from the skull. Not on this planet.

[Bill Chapman]

Jerry Organ doesn't know enough about the case to school anyone on anything. He keeps posting goofy graphics even after the egregious errors in the graphics have been pointed out to him. He'll make a claim; the claim will be refuted; and then the next day he'll repeat the claim and will make no effort to even address the counter-arguments.

The dot on the agent's jacket was intended to show the location of the back wound based on the holes in the back of JFK's shirt and coat, a perfectly logical, credible thing to do, especially since the clothing holes put the back wound where it was put by the death certificate (marked "verified"), by the autopsy face sheet (also marked "verified"), by the Sibert and O'Neill report on the autopsy, by the FBI report on the autopsy, by Rankin's comment during the 1/27/64 WC executive session, by Clint Hill's description of the wound, by Roy Kellerman's description of the wound, and by Dr. John Ebersole's description of the wound.

The HSCA FPP moved the back wound down by about 1.5 inches and to the left by about 1 inch from where the WC placed the wound. The HSCA FPP's placement was closer to the truth. Yet, Canning, the HSCA's trajectory expert, could not even begin to get the SBT's trajectories to work without ditching the FPP's placement and going with the WC's placement.

And to bring the conversation back to the topic of the thread, allow me to add that no FMJ bullet in any ballistics test or in any known forensic case has burst into dozens of fragments, much less deposited two mid-section fragments on the outer table of the skull while ejecting the nose and tail from the skull. Not on this planet.

Martin Fackler
http://www.rkba.org/research/fackler/wrong.html