No! The word "completed" is yours. With the exception of Carter, the occupants do not provide any further details of how far they had turned. Normally, on a 90 degree turn, if you make a turn off one street onto another you are very close to completing the turn. But not this turn onto Elm which was a 120 degree turn. Carter described the security car being along side the TSBD. I suggest that means the car was turned 90 degrees, not 120, so that it was parallel to the TSBD front. To the extent that "along side" might be somewhat ambiguous, the ambiguity can be resolved by Mrs Cabell who gave a very specific position of her car: she was directly facing the TSBD at the moment of the first shot and just had to look up to see the rifle in the SN directly in front of her. I say that the Cabell car had to have been in this position for her to be directly facing the SN when she looked up:
According to your diagram, that corresponds to frame z195:
Hold on, sport. The "Z195" film capture you posted shows that Mrs. Cabell would have to turn away from Roberts (whom she claimed she was looking at) and look forward and up over the windshield to see the Depository. So if she's allow to do that for Z195, why can't she do that for Z160?
You obviously have not taken in my previous posts. READ HER EVIDENCE and tell us where you think he car was and the zframe that it corresponds to.
To be clear: I am not saying that the witnesses in the VP car and VP security car rule out any possibility of a shot at z223. I thought I made that clear in my first recent post. What I am saying is that this evidence is also consistent with a first shot at z195 ie. it does not conflict with a shot at z195. The difference, about 1.5 seconds, is too small a time difference to distinguish based on the statements of vehicle occupants alone. One has to look at other evidence, such as Phil Willis,
Willis himself defined the first shot having occurred before his Z202 slide:
"Mrs. Kennedy was likewise smiling and facing more to my side of
the street. When the first shot was fired, her head seemed to just
snap in that direction"
"she was looking more to the left, which would be my side of the street.
Then when the first shot was fired, she turned to the right toward him"
The Zapruder film shows Mrs. Kennedy turning her head to her right within one second of Z155. Willis was nearby enough to observe this (his legs are at the extreme right edge of the Z167 crop.
the Secret Service Film,
You got quite a spin going on with that, too.
Mary Woodward, Jane Berry, etc.
The importance of the motorcade evidence is to establish a "before bracket" for the first shot. The "before bracket" establishes a time that the first shot was not before. The motorcade evidence which establishes that the VP car had just finished the full turn onto Elm (and had straightened out) positively excludes a first shot before z181, which is the last frame in which the VP car is seen and it still has not finished the turn. This fits with Betzner who said he took his z186 photo before the first shot.
Betzner said he could recall only two shots. The head shot and the one before, which fits pretty well with the Z200s, as Betzner said he was winding his camera (after taking his photo at Z186) when he heard the first of the two shot he spoke about. As Betzner goes out of the Zapruder film in Z207, he is still lowering his camera and is not looking down. Assuming he winds his camera shortly thereafter, it could be that the shot he heard while winding the camera was the proposed SBT shot at Z223.
This fits with Hughes who said he stopped filming (which stops at z185) before the first shot. It fits with Woodward and Berry and other witnesses along Elm.
Robert Hughes says he stopped filming about five seconds before the shots were heard; but Z185 is about 1/2 second before your theory's first shot at Z195. Seems unlikely Hughes would characterize 1/2 seconds as five seconds. A shot heard in the Z220s is over two seconds after Hughes stopped filming. Of course that means, for my scenario, that Hughes heard but underrated a Z150s shot while he was filming, but many witnesses did describe the first shot as a "backfire" or "firecracker" they weren't concerned about.
The "after bracket" is more difficult to establish. The only definitive statement is that of Phil Willis who said that his z202 photo was taken at the moment of the first shot - that the sound of the shot caused him to press the shutter. If that was an accurate recollection,
Seems a "white lie" to add value to the slide set Willis was selling commercially. Yes Willis claimed the shot caused him to snap the shutter, but he can't have it that way AND claim that Mrs. Kennedy reacted during the interval between his Z202 and Z133 slides.
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"When I took slide No. 4, the President was smiling and waving and looking straight ahead, and Mrs. Kennedy was likewise smiling and facing more to my side of the street. When the first shot was fired, her head seemed to just snap in that direction"
— Warren Commission testimony | | "and then in front of the Depository Building on Elm Street I cocked my camera for another picture and this loud shot went off and the first reaction was that could it be a crank or a firecracker but it was so loud and of such a sound it had to be rifle so I became alarmed."
— Clay Shaw Trial testimony |
that would put the first shot sound arriving at his ears about 150 ms. before he pressed the shutter in order to allow for a physical reaction to the sound. That fits a first shot striking JFK no later than z198, with the sound arriving 75 ms. later and the shutter pressing 150 ms after that. That is consistent with Linda Willis who said that the President was between her and the Stemmons sign at the time of the first shot. That puts it between z195 and z205.
How can Linda Willis in the Z190s and Z200s see the President if she has to look through taller bystanders on the sidewalk and two motorcycle policemen?
Linda could better see the President when he was between her and the Thornton sign. This accords with a first shot in the Z150s. Why did she think it was the Stemmons sign? Because of her father's famous slide.
It is also consistent with Rosemary Willis who turns her head sharply toward the TSBD at z204. She said she saw pigeons fly from the TSBD.
She's running along the grass by the limousine in Z160 and she comes to a full stop by about Z189. She said she had been running when she heard the first shot, which caused her to stop.
Jack Ready, who said he immediately turned to the rear in response to the first shot, removed his hand from the front handhold at z200 and proceeds to turn to the right from z200-207 before disappearing from the zfilm. That indicates the first shot was earlier than z198.
I will admit that the amount of evidence that can be used to establish an after-bracket for the first shot is not as much as the before-bracket. But it is consistent with a shot before z200 and inconsistent with a shot any later.
Wouldn't you know it? Agent Ready, the man standing on the front of the running board near the motorcycle camera-left, turns his head sharply rightward during the same half-second as the Connallys.
Nelow: Compare with how little Ready's head turns after Z200. Mason terms this "proceeds to turn to the right from z200-207".
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