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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1192 on: May 15, 2023, 11:58:48 PM »
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Re: The First Shot
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1193 on: May 16, 2023, 10:56:37 PM »
The “tripe”, as Dan puts it, is all the flaws in his handwaving arguments.  The rest of this latest tirade is a long winded version of “I’m right because I say so” — a giant exercise in ego, rather than any “positive identification”.

“Somebody said so” is a lousy reason to believe any claim, but when it comes to who Karen Westbrook is, “Karen Westbrook said so” beats “Dan O’meara said so” any day of the week.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1194 on: May 18, 2023, 08:47:47 AM »
The “tripe”, as Dan puts it, is all the flaws in his handwaving arguments.  The rest of this latest tirade is a long winded version of “I’m right because I say so” — a giant exercise in ego, rather than any “positive identification”.

“Somebody said so” is a lousy reason to believe any claim, but when it comes to who Karen Westbrook is, “Karen Westbrook said so” beats “Dan O’meara said so” any day of the week.

"tirade" LOL
Presenting how I reached my conclusions, including the range of evidence and the arguments emanating from that evidence [REPLY#1296 [page 163]], is hardly a tirade.
The reader will notice that, for pages of this thread, the single argument John has brought to this debate is "Westbrook said so". Remember, this is supposed to be some kind of senior researcher in this case and someone who believes he is the self-styled arbiter of factual accuracy. He has not provided a single scrap of evidence to support his identification of the woman in the blue headscarf as being Westbrook and has conducted himself in a deceitful manner throughout the whole debate.


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Re: The First Shot
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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1195 on: May 18, 2023, 02:07:58 PM »
By adding the three secretaries to the line by the sign and moving the other four secretaries by Templin. What happens to the rest of the women from Woodward to the four secretaries? There are now to many people listed for the number of people standing on the curb. Specifically, Woodward, Brown, Donaldson, Thornton, Berry. There are two or three more secretaries than people on the curb.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1196 on: May 18, 2023, 02:50:24 PM »
By adding the three secretaries to the line by the sign and moving the other four secretaries by Templin. What happens to the rest of the women from Woodward to the four secretaries? There are now to many people listed for the number of people standing on the curb. Specifically, Woodward, Brown, Donaldson, Thornton, Berry. There are two or three more secretaries than people on the curb.



How many people do you believe there should be between the woman in the blue headscarf on the right and the guy in the hardhat near the street light towards the left?

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1196 on: May 18, 2023, 02:50:24 PM »


Offline Andrew Mason

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1197 on: May 18, 2023, 05:47:00 PM »
By adding the three secretaries to the line by the sign and moving the other four secretaries by Templin. What happens to the rest of the women from Woodward to the four secretaries? There are now to many people listed for the number of people standing on the curb. Specifically, Woodward, Brown, Donaldson, Thornton, Berry. There are two or three more secretaries than people on the curb.
Jane Berry, Betty Thornton claim to have been directly in front of the TSBD so I am not sure why they are thought to be to the right of AJ "hardhat" Millican.  June Dishong and Peggy Burney did not give statements at the time but Dishong has been identified as the fourth person left of the Stemmons sign in the Zfilm wearing a red and blue plaid shirt. There is nothing I have seen to indicate that she was with Burney.

If you eliminate Berry and Thornton, then the people to the right of Millican are: unknown woman (possibly Burney?), The Woodard Group (Alonzo, Woodward, Donaldson, Brown - all identified by Woodward in that order), The Westbrook Group (Westbrook, Reed<->Hicks, Calvery) then Templin, Brandt, Newman.

Having said all that, the list of people who claim to have been standing along Elm St. includes Billie Clay's group.  According to Clay's 23Mar64 FBI statement, she was standing on the sidewalk about 150 feet from the TSBD entrance with Mary Lea Williams, Georgia Ruth Hendrix, Mary Sue Dickerson, Mrs. John (Peggy) Hawkins and her son, John, aged 4. Hendrix said the same thing although Dickerson did not mention anyone except Clay and Hawkins said they were on the sidewalk in front of the TSBD.  That group is not identifiable anywhere to the right of Millican.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1198 on: May 18, 2023, 07:20:59 PM »
"tirade" LOL
Presenting how I reached my conclusions, including the range of evidence and the arguments emanating from that evidence [REPLY#1296 [page 163]], is hardly a tirade.
The reader will notice that, for pages of this thread, the single argument John has brought to this debate is "Westbrook said so". Remember, this is supposed to be some kind of senior researcher in this case and someone who believes he is the self-styled arbiter of factual accuracy. He has not provided a single scrap of evidence to support his identification of the woman in the blue headscarf as being Westbrook and has conducted himself in a deceitful manner throughout the whole debate.

More BS from the master of the BS argument.  I'm not the one who claimed any "certainty" about anybody's identity, you are.  And your sole argument is that their bodies look like the Darnell black-and-white trio to you.  Everything else is just verbosity.

All I said was that "Westbrook said so" beats "Dan O'meara said so".  I'm not so arrogant as to claim that a subjective self-serving opinion is a "certainty" like you are.

I never claimed to be "some kind of senior researcher" or a "self-styled arbiter of factual accuracy".  That's just you whining about your inaccuracies being called out.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1199 on: May 18, 2023, 07:41:43 PM »
More BS from the master of the BS argument.  I'm not the one who claimed any "certainty" about anybody's identity, you are.  And your sole argument is that their bodies look like the Darnell black-and-white trio to you.  Everything else is just verbosity.

All I said was that "Westbrook said so" beats "Dan O'meara said so".  I'm not so arrogant as to claim that a subjective self-serving opinion is a "certainty" like you are.

I never claimed to be "some kind of senior researcher" or a "self-styled arbiter of factual accuracy".  That's just you whining about your inaccuracies being called out.

And your sole argument is that their bodies look like the Darnell black-and-white trio to you.

Our debate is recorded in the previous pages.
I am more than happy to let the reader assess my contribution to it and the validity of this statement.


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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1199 on: May 18, 2023, 07:41:43 PM »