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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #112 on: May 02, 2021, 02:27:32 AM »
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I have respect for you as a researcher Tom. But I often disagree with you. The purpose of the Garrison investigation (IMO) was to gain publicity for Mr. Garrison so that he could pursue higher office. He prosecuted an innocent man for his own gain. The WC was not perfect but they did identify the killer of JFK (IMO).

You are weird W. Tracy Parnell. And I don't mean it personally, I mean your online presence is weird. I feel like you are just very ultra/nationalistic (like a lot of American WC apologists) I think. I feel like it's a really really good test of a person when they question and set out to dispute government conclusions -- when it comes to the most interesting mysteries concerning our public overlords.

I naturally doubt people who've rushed to accept conclusions reached by our public servants. Your willingness to focus all your attention to the WC truth you espouse without interjecting ANY doubtful caveat  is odd. I don't know what it is you gain from this position. But it's suspicious. I think some of the people that take this posture might actually be trying to come off as CIA or some kinda operative online lol,  walter mitty character. Maybe even attract an alphabet type org to back them -- That's where I am with you.

The automaton manner in which you act so servile to the system's position doesn't escape (along with several other participants)
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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #113 on: May 02, 2021, 02:40:38 AM »
I'm going to respond. Not because I am concerned by your assertions, but because I have a few minutes before my wife gets home with the groceries and I'm bored.

I naturally doubt people who've rushed to accept conclusions reached by our public servants.

What evidence do you have that I "rushed to accept conclusions reached by our public servants?" I looked at the evidence for 10-12 years before I made up my mind. The first book I read was Best Evidence and I was very open to the idea of conspiracy although I wanted proof.

Your willingness to focus all your attention to the WC truth you espouse without interjecting ANY doubtful caveat  is odd.

You'll notice that I said the WC wasn't perfect. I would say that is a caveat of sorts at least.

I don't know what it is you gain from this position. But it's suspicious.

Yes, I have been suspected of all sorts of things since the mid-nineties. But I do what I do (without pay) for no one but myself. I am not trying to attract the attention of the CIA either. I don't think they are too worried about the JFK case at this point.

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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #114 on: May 02, 2021, 02:45:52 AM »
Yes, I have been suspected of all sorts of things since the mid-nineties. But I do what I do (without pay) for no one but myself. I am not trying to attract the attention of the CIA either. I don't think they are too worried about the JFK case at this point.

I think Robert Groden was also accused of being a CIA asset, even though he thinks the CIA killed Kennedy.

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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #115 on: May 02, 2021, 02:47:22 AM »
I think Robert Groden was also accused of being a CIA asset, even though he thinks the CIA killed Kennedy.

Probably true.

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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #116 on: May 02, 2021, 02:57:02 AM »
I think Robert Groden was also accused of being a CIA asset, even though he thinks the CIA killed Kennedy.

LOL that is the sick hilarity of of this epic tragedy. That the CIA are so embroiled in this -- stinking the place out like a rotten fish -- 1) when it comes to Oswald and his connections 2) people suspected to have taken part in the assassination 3) those obstructing assassination evidence truth. The Kennedy's obviously suspect that CIA's fingerprints were all over this. RFK junior has made it totally clear who the Kennedy family believes masterminded the assassination of both their beloved.

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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #117 on: May 02, 2021, 07:42:07 AM »
I have respect for you as a researcher Tom. But I often disagree with you. The purpose of the Garrison investigation (IMO) was to gain publicity for Mr. Garrison so that he could pursue higher office. He prosecuted an innocent man for his own gain. The WC was not perfect but they did identify the killer of JFK (IMO).

I hope we can agree that the best explanation is one that encompasses and then confronts, considers and attempts to address and reasonably allow for all that is pertinent to a matter under debate, especially a major historical controversy in reaction to or as an outgrowth of a momentous historical controversy.

In his research, writing, presenting, and posting about the Garrison investigation, Jim DiEugenio does not do that and neither do other published authors, Davy, Mellen, or Garrison or his autobiography editor, Zachary Sklar, co-writer with Oliver Stone of the screen play, "JFK, the Movie". Garrison critic Nicholas B. Lemann doesn't do that, either.

Fred Litwin in what he has already published, seems to limit himself to countering DiEugenio and Garrison himself. Fred's efforts would be reasonable except for being selective, especially considering posts by Tom Purvis date back at least 17 years! But Litwin's contemporary blog posts are unreasonable as he acquires more knowledge yet fails to address any of it.

Tom Purvis knew post bellum southern society history and pecking order, especially about New Orleans. Purvis emphasized that descendants of rebel leaders like Robert E. Lee conducted their alliances and wielded their power and influence similarly to the largest portion of a iceberg, out of view, easily underestimated.

Purvis did not accept that a Garrison or a Willard Robertson could waltz in to what amounts to a closed society of long tradition, relationships, and ritual without permission from the local "PTB", including running for elected office or creating either I.N.C.A. or "Truth or Consequences" or commencing an investigation like Garrison's or even seek a party's nomination to run for the office of NODA. For example the CIA domestic contacts office was initiated and staffed in exactly the opposite way as the Garrison investigation. New Hampshire's and Iowa's Robertson and Garrison vs. Stephen B Lemann of Monroe Lemann, William P. Burke, Jr., Hunter Leake, and Dorothy Brandao of the local CIA office.

Link to Purvis's post of 17 years ago supporting that the local CIA office was an extension of NOLA's most prominent secret societies, themselves associated with descendants of rebel leaders like Robert E. Lee :
https://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/tHPQCcmb/lho-the-cia-other-secret-organizations
Purvis posrs as EmptyPockets on Narkive but identified himself at the end of his post, linked above.

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https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/thread-15156-post-119187.html#pid119187
Tom Scully - 11-03-2017,

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http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....38&p=44704
        Thomas H. Purvis, Posted 10 November 2005

           
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Lynne Foster, on Nov 9 2005, said:

            As Jay Epstein aptly illustrated, Garrison's investigation shed absolutely nothing new on the assassination itself and according to the New Orleans States-Item, once a key supporter of Jim Garrison, "This travesty of justice is a reproach to the conscience of all good men...Garrison stands revealed for what he is: a man without principle who would pervert the legal process to his own ends."

            Needless to say, assassination buffs began to accuse Garrison of staging the Shaw affair as a red herring to divert attention away from more salient leads in New Orleans.

            Which leads to the obvious question. Is that why Garrison's supporters are so aggressive? Is it their purpose to continue to obscure the truth about the assassination of John F. Kennedy?

        Well, one can rest assured that I am not an "assassination buff", and being considerably more familiar with New Orleans than most others who are posting here, I can assure you that Garrison was a shrewd as well as politically knowledgeable individual.

        Therefore, for him to sacrifice his own personal integrity with the Clay Shaw "Circus & Sideshow", was not an act of ignorance on his part.
        Therefore, if it were not an act of ignorance, then it was obviously a deliberate "act".

        In addition to this, one must also consider that Garrison was formerly one of "Hoover's" boys, and for him to give a performance which was as inept as was the Clay Shaw trial, also meant that it would bring some discredit to the "Hoover" family.

        Therefore, whatever political entity Garrison was dancing to the tune of, he obviously considered it to be far more critical to his long term livelihood than was the risk of offending JEH, or of even bring completely false charges against Clay Shaw.

        Certainly brings to mind such items as the "Spruce Goose" and the "Glomar Explorer".

(Tom Purvis again, three days later in the same thread.:)

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    Thomas H. Purvis - Posted 12 November 2005

    Garrison played the circus act long enough that everyone was quite tired of the show. Then, with his dramatic presentation of evidence, he succeeded in convincing many that everyone who even discusses this subject is quite possibly as "off" as was he.

    Pretty hard act to follow!

    When some factual interest again began to grow, then we were treated to "Garrison Resurected" aka/JFK per Oliver Stone.

    And again, another good piece of "sleight-of-hand" which continues to prove that a good "con" can be repeatedly utililized so long as the general populace is given adequate time to "forget" the last time the con was utilized.

    Since it is extremely doubtful and unlikely that either JEH or LBJ had anything to do with the assassination of JFK, Garrison "Side Show" & Company was not in the business of anything other than "diversion" away from the actual facts of the assassination, which of course JEH and the WC fully lied about.

    Garrison's purpose was quite similiar to the female bird who goes into the "broken wing" act when any predator gets near the nest.

    With the "broken wing", the mother bird will lead the predator off and astray, so far away from the nest that the predator is unlikely to find it's way back to the nest.

    However, in the Garrison case, many of those who followed him are obviously still completely "lost" in the woods.

    Certainly good for an occassional laugh, if nothing else. 
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Re: Jim Garrison Names The Grassy Knoll Gunman!
« Reply #118 on: May 03, 2021, 12:16:23 PM »
I hope we can agree that the best explanation is one that encompasses and then confronts, considers and attempts to address and reasonably allow for all that is pertinent to a matter under debate, especially a major historical controversy in reaction to or as an outgrowth of a momentous historical controversy.

In his research, writing, presenting, and posting about the Garrison investigation, Jim DiEugenio does not do that and neither do other published authors, Davy, Mellen, or Garrison or his autobiography editor, Zachary Sklar, co-writer with Oliver Stone of the screen play, "JFK, the Movie". Garrison critic Nicholas B. Lemann doesn't do that, either.

Fred Litwin in what he has already published, seems to limit himself to countering DiEugenio and Garrison himself. Fred's efforts would be reasonable except for being selective, especially considering posts by Tom Purvis date back at least 17 years! But Litwin's contemporary blog posts are unreasonable as he acquires more knowledge yet fails to address any of it.

Tom Purvis knew post bellum southern society history and pecking order, especially about New Orleans. Purvis emphasized that descendants of rebel leaders like Robert E. Lee conducted their alliances and wielded their power and influence similarly to the largest portion of a iceberg, out of view, easily underestimated.

Purvis did not accept that a Garrison or a Willard Robertson could waltz in to what amounts to a closed society of long tradition, relationships, and ritual without permission from the local "PTB", including running for elected office or creating either I.N.C.A. or "Truth or Consequences" or commencing an investigation like Garrison's or even seek a party's nomination to run for the office of NODA. For example the CIA domestic contacts office was initiated and staffed in exactly the opposite way as the Garrison investigation. New Hampshire's and Iowa's Robertson and Garrison vs. Stephen B Lemann of Monroe Lemann, William P. Burke, Jr., Hunter Leake, and Dorothy Brandao of the local CIA office.

Link to Purvis's post of 17 years ago supporting that the local CIA office was an extension of NOLA's most prominent secret societies, themselves associated with descendants of rebel leaders like Robert E. Lee :
https://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/tHPQCcmb/lho-the-cia-other-secret-organizations
Purvis posrs as EmptyPockets on Narkive but identified himself at the end of his post, linked above.

        Well, one can rest assured that I am not an "assassination buff", and being considerably more familiar with New Orleans than most others who are posting here, I can assure you that Garrison was a shrewd as well as politically knowledgeable individual.

        Therefore, for him to sacrifice his own personal integrity with the Clay Shaw "Circus & Sideshow", was not an act of ignorance on his part.
        Therefore, if it were not an act of ignorance, then it was obviously a deliberate "act".

        In addition to this, one must also consider that Garrison was formerly one of "Hoover's" boys, and for him to give a performance which was as inept as was the Clay Shaw trial, also meant that it would bring some discredit to the "Hoover" family.

        Therefore, whatever political entity Garrison was dancing to the tune of, he obviously considered it to be far more critical to his long term livelihood than was the risk of offending JEH, or of even bring completely false charges against Clay Shaw.

        Certainly brings to mind such items as the "Spruce Goose" and the "Glomar Explorer".

(Tom Purvis again, three days later in the same thread.:)

Mssr. Purvis was a very interesting man.  More of a mensch than Prouty, oui?


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