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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #128 on: May 27, 2021, 06:37:35 PM »
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Dan,

All we have are claims made by Fruge and Weiss long after her death.  Neither of them filed any reports about her supposed claim at the time she supposedly made it.

So the various testimonies/statements made by Fruge, Weiss and Magruder are not to be considered evidence of any kind?

Only Fruge would be required to submit a report and, to be quite honest, it really doesn't look good he didn't file some kind of report considering he is meant to have chartered a plane to take them all to Houston in an attempt to confirm Cherami's claims of a big drug deal going down.
How Fruge hoped to get away without filing a report on such an large and expensive investigation is beyond me.

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #129 on: May 27, 2021, 07:45:19 PM »
So the various testimonies/statements made by Fruge, Weiss and Magruder are not to be considered evidence of any kind?

Only Fruge would be required to submit a report and, to be quite honest, it really doesn't look good he didn't file some kind of report considering he is meant to have chartered a plane to take them all to Houston in an attempt to confirm Cherami's claims of a big drug deal going down.
How Fruge hoped to get away without filing a report on such an large and expensive investigation is beyond me.

My only point is that there is no real reason to believe that Cherami ever foretold of an assassination in Dallas.  It's entirely possible that she never uttered one syllable about Dallas before the assassination and this thing was made up by these guys after she passed away.

Also, ask yourself, why would ANY conspirators trust someone like her with any of this stuff beforehand?

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #130 on: May 27, 2021, 08:08:18 PM »
Lots of people thought JFK would be assassinated in Dallas. Rose Cherami might just have been one. JFK thought he might be shot there - he said he was entering "nut country".

So even if Rose Cherami did "predict" that JFK would be assassinated in Dallas, which I think Litwin was displayed quiet well she didn't, it wouldn't make any difference anyway.

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #131 on: May 27, 2021, 08:12:16 PM »
Now I feel bad for the "Dad of the Berserk Boy".  I hope he got better but it didn't sound great.  They really knew how to write headlines back in those days.   

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #132 on: May 27, 2021, 08:14:02 PM »
Now I feel bad for the "Dad of the Berserk Boy".  I hope he got better but it didn't sound great.  They really knew how to write headlines back in those days.

I'm with ya there.  I read that article.  Sad stuff.

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #133 on: May 27, 2021, 08:32:41 PM »
My only point is that there is no real reason to believe that Cherami ever foretold of an assassination in Dallas.  It's entirely possible that she never uttered one syllable about Dallas before the assassination and this thing was made up by these guys after she passed away.

Also, ask yourself, why would ANY conspirators trust someone like her with any of this stuff beforehand?

"...this thing was made up by these guys..."

Is there any evidence or testimony that backs this up?
Or is it just something you're throwing out there?

"Also, ask yourself, why would ANY conspirators trust someone like her with any of this stuff beforehand?"

I don't imagine Cherami was integral to any kind of plan involving the assassination. I don't think she was entrusted with anything sensitive. I get the impression there were some guys involved in a very large, very lucrative drug deal and, rather than be in the room themselves when the deal went down, they used a very desperate (I can't think of a better word with out cursing) person and kidnapped her child, using threats of violence against the child to get Rose to cooperate. The story reveals Rose was in a hostage situation and was probably viewed as less than nothing to those using her. I'm assuming she was off her face a lot of the time and overheard talk about the assassination coming from those who viewed her as insignificant.

What appears to be confirmed is that the info she offered concerning the drug deal turned out to be on the money unless the whole deal thing was just another lie by Fruge (a lie in which he includes the Louisiana Police Department, specifically including Colonel Morgan and Nathan Durham, Chief Customs officer for the Galveston region)

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #134 on: May 27, 2021, 08:55:02 PM »
"...this thing was made up by these guys..."

Is there any evidence or testimony that backs this up?
Or is it just something you're throwing out there?

"Also, ask yourself, why would ANY conspirators trust someone like her with any of this stuff beforehand?"

I don't imagine Cherami was integral to any kind of plan involving the assassination. I don't think she was entrusted with anything sensitive. I get the impression there were some guys involved in a very large, very lucrative drug deal and, rather than be in the room themselves when the deal went down, they used a very desperate (I can't think of a better word with out cursing) person and kidnapped her child, using threats of violence against the child to get Rose to cooperate. The story reveals Rose was in a hostage situation and was probably viewed as less than nothing to those using her. I'm assuming she was off her face a lot of the time and overheard talk about the assassination coming from those who viewed her as insignificant.

What appears to be confirmed is that the info she offered concerning the drug deal turned out to be on the money unless the whole deal thing was just another lie by Fruge (a lie in which he includes the Louisiana Police Department, specifically including Colonel Morgan and Nathan Durham, Chief Customs officer for the Galveston region)


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"...this thing was made up by these guys..."

Is there any evidence or testimony that backs this up?
Or is it just something you're throwing out there?

If it's backup you require, consider that there is nothing backing up the idea that Cherami mentioned Dallas before the assassination.  No reports were ever filed.  In 1967, Weiss even told investigator Frank Meloche that he wasn't even certain whether or not Cherami spoke of Dallas before or after the assassination.

Cherami most likely made statements to Lt. Fruge (Louisiana State Police) AFTER Ruby shot Oswald saying that Ruby and Oswald knew each other.  I believe she even went as far as saying they were "bed partners".  In my opinion (and I dove hard into this about ten years ago), after Oswald was killed, Cherami claimed to Fruge that Ruby and Oswald knew each other, i.e. Oswald was inside Ruby's nightclub.  In my opinion, this is all that was said by Cherami regarding anything assassination-related; nothing beforehand.

In 1967, preparing for the Shaw trial, Garrison investigators interviewed hospital personnel at the East Louisiana State Hospital and not one person remembers hearing any talk of Cherami ever warning of or speaking of an upcoming assassination in Dallas before it happened.

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« Reply #135 on: June 02, 2021, 04:08:54 PM »
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-rose-cherami-murdered

Conspiracy theorists used to say that she was the victim of a hit and run. Now,
they say she was shot. But, her medical records provide no evidence that she
was short.

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