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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #136 on: May 27, 2021, 08:32:41 PM »
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My only point is that there is no real reason to believe that Cherami ever foretold of an assassination in Dallas.  It's entirely possible that she never uttered one syllable about Dallas before the assassination and this thing was made up by these guys after she passed away.

Also, ask yourself, why would ANY conspirators trust someone like her with any of this stuff beforehand?

"...this thing was made up by these guys..."

Is there any evidence or testimony that backs this up?
Or is it just something you're throwing out there?

"Also, ask yourself, why would ANY conspirators trust someone like her with any of this stuff beforehand?"

I don't imagine Cherami was integral to any kind of plan involving the assassination. I don't think she was entrusted with anything sensitive. I get the impression there were some guys involved in a very large, very lucrative drug deal and, rather than be in the room themselves when the deal went down, they used a very desperate (I can't think of a better word with out cursing) person and kidnapped her child, using threats of violence against the child to get Rose to cooperate. The story reveals Rose was in a hostage situation and was probably viewed as less than nothing to those using her. I'm assuming she was off her face a lot of the time and overheard talk about the assassination coming from those who viewed her as insignificant.

What appears to be confirmed is that the info she offered concerning the drug deal turned out to be on the money unless the whole deal thing was just another lie by Fruge (a lie in which he includes the Louisiana Police Department, specifically including Colonel Morgan and Nathan Durham, Chief Customs officer for the Galveston region)

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #137 on: May 27, 2021, 08:55:02 PM »
"...this thing was made up by these guys..."

Is there any evidence or testimony that backs this up?
Or is it just something you're throwing out there?

"Also, ask yourself, why would ANY conspirators trust someone like her with any of this stuff beforehand?"

I don't imagine Cherami was integral to any kind of plan involving the assassination. I don't think she was entrusted with anything sensitive. I get the impression there were some guys involved in a very large, very lucrative drug deal and, rather than be in the room themselves when the deal went down, they used a very desperate (I can't think of a better word with out cursing) person and kidnapped her child, using threats of violence against the child to get Rose to cooperate. The story reveals Rose was in a hostage situation and was probably viewed as less than nothing to those using her. I'm assuming she was off her face a lot of the time and overheard talk about the assassination coming from those who viewed her as insignificant.

What appears to be confirmed is that the info she offered concerning the drug deal turned out to be on the money unless the whole deal thing was just another lie by Fruge (a lie in which he includes the Louisiana Police Department, specifically including Colonel Morgan and Nathan Durham, Chief Customs officer for the Galveston region)


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"...this thing was made up by these guys..."

Is there any evidence or testimony that backs this up?
Or is it just something you're throwing out there?

If it's backup you require, consider that there is nothing backing up the idea that Cherami mentioned Dallas before the assassination.  No reports were ever filed.  In 1967, Weiss even told investigator Frank Meloche that he wasn't even certain whether or not Cherami spoke of Dallas before or after the assassination.

Cherami most likely made statements to Lt. Fruge (Louisiana State Police) AFTER Ruby shot Oswald saying that Ruby and Oswald knew each other.  I believe she even went as far as saying they were "bed partners".  In my opinion (and I dove hard into this about ten years ago), after Oswald was killed, Cherami claimed to Fruge that Ruby and Oswald knew each other, i.e. Oswald was inside Ruby's nightclub.  In my opinion, this is all that was said by Cherami regarding anything assassination-related; nothing beforehand.

In 1967, preparing for the Shaw trial, Garrison investigators interviewed hospital personnel at the East Louisiana State Hospital and not one person remembers hearing any talk of Cherami ever warning of or speaking of an upcoming assassination in Dallas before it happened.

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« Reply #138 on: June 02, 2021, 04:08:54 PM »
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-rose-cherami-murdered

Conspiracy theorists used to say that she was the victim of a hit and run. Now,
they say she was shot. But, her medical records provide no evidence that she
was short.

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #139 on: June 03, 2021, 01:41:45 PM »

If it's backup you require, consider that there is nothing backing up the idea that Cherami mentioned Dallas before the assassination.  No reports were ever filed.  In 1967, Weiss even told investigator Frank Meloche that he wasn't even certain whether or not Cherami spoke of Dallas before or after the assassination.

Cherami most likely made statements to Lt. Fruge (Louisiana State Police) AFTER Ruby shot Oswald saying that Ruby and Oswald knew each other.  I believe she even went as far as saying they were "bed partners".  In my opinion (and I dove hard into this about ten years ago), after Oswald was killed, Cherami claimed to Fruge that Ruby and Oswald knew each other, i.e. Oswald was inside Ruby's nightclub.  In my opinion, this is all that was said by Cherami regarding anything assassination-related; nothing beforehand.

In 1967, preparing for the Shaw trial, Garrison investigators interviewed hospital personnel at the East Louisiana State Hospital and not one person remembers hearing any talk of Cherami ever warning of or speaking of an upcoming assassination in Dallas before it happened.

"If it's backup you require, consider that there is nothing backing up the idea that Cherami mentioned Dallas before the assassination.  No reports were ever filed."

How do you know that no reports were ever filed?
This is another statement that needs backing up.
You've basically accused Fruge et al. of lying about the whole affair. I've asked if you have evidence of that accusation and you've answered with another statement that needs backing up!

I find it incredible that Fruge would not have filed a report about the flight to Houston and the attempted bust of the narcotics deal based on Cherami's intel.
I find it incredible Fruge would involve Colonel Morgan and Colonel Burbank in this lie (he reports telling them both about Cherami's "prediction")
I just basically find it incredible that Fruge would come up with something like this at all. What's the point? Why involve so many high-ranking people who could call him out on his BS? Why involve Durham and the Customs department and others? It's such an insanely massive lie.
How are Fruge, Weiss and Magruder connected? Are they in on it together or making up their stories separately?

I'm really unconvinced by the way you're just trying to brush this off as it's a done deal.
You're point seems to be that we weren't in the vehicle when Rose told her story so we'll never really know.
The same is true for the 6th floor of the TSBD at the moment of the assassination.

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #140 on: June 03, 2021, 02:57:30 PM »
"Evidence"... since when did evidence matter? So many are FoS, "in it" to pursue publishing profit or merely attention.

The 1957 article describes Melba Christine as age 30 and the 1960 article as age 33. Her gravestone indicates 1923 as the year of her birth.

https://jfkfacts.org/comment-of-the-week-10/#comment-843927


Fred, you know what you know, and when the evidence is with you, I'm with you.

Would I have to fill an entire bus with people who either met Oswald or DeMorhrenschildt or were one person removed, and later tangled or tangoed with Bush, to persuade you from moving to, "I don't know" from your present position? Especially if you buy the narrative of "Oswald, lone assassin, his best friend in Dallas was DeMohrenschildt."

The list of names graduated from Andover in the subsequent three years. They are pictured above the A.U.V. secret society house they all resided in. Hooker was DeMohrenschildt's oil exploration business partner, his mother married DeMohrenschildt's brother in 1936. Bush was an usher in Hooker's wedding. After Hooker died in 1967, Bush escorted his daughter down the aisle in her 1972 church wedding. Macomber was best man in Bush's sister's 1946 wedding, and in Tom Devine's 1973 wedding. E. Howard Hunt's clearance to review 1963 diplomatic cables related to the murders of the Diem brothers, was approved by Macomber, a former CIA agent and Sen. John Sherman Cooper (S&B at Yale) staffer, who was hustled off to Turkey by Dept. of State in reaction to news that Hunt forged cables to impugn JFK's rep.

Devine lived in the Sigma Chi frat house @ M.I.T. with 16 other frat brothers. One was Garry Coit, Priscilla's CIA handler.
Devine reported nine contacts with DeMohrenschildt between April 25, 1963 and the end of May. His initial meeting was two weeks after DeMohrenschildt described joking with Oswald, "Lee, how could you miss?" in reaction to news of the shooting at Edwin Walker. On that same day, Joseph F Dryer said he also met with DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles. Devine, Dryer, and Macomber were friends growing up in Rochester.

https://sigmachi.mit.edu/docs/beaver_sigs/1946_bsig_vol1946_no1.pdf




From "Our man in Haiti" by Joan Mellen


After I discovered from Devine's 1944 high school yearbook that Dryer's brother Peter had been a member (20 boys) of Devine's K-8 class before departing for Choate, I wrote to Joan to inquire whether Joseph Dryer had mentioned Devine.





Billy Joe Lord to President Carter, March, 1977 :

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9963#relPageId=175

And...




Henry Hurt's wife is Bemiss's cousin.


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88891802/langbourne-meade-williams



https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145503#relPageId=135&search=beamis_and%20hotels


Dang, Tom, no one can keep up to you !  How Divine !!

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
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Re: Was Rose Cherami Murdered?
« Reply #141 on: June 03, 2021, 02:58:18 PM »
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-rose-cherami-murdered

Conspiracy theorists used to say that she was the victim of a hit and run. Now,
they say she was shot. But, her medical records provide no evidence that she
was short.

Your turn, Jim.........

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« Reply #142 on: June 03, 2021, 03:53:00 PM »
http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2021/06/the-ghost-of-grassy-knoll-gunman.html

Nick Nalli is a brilliant scientist, and this review deserves to be widely disseminated....

fred litwin
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Re: Nick Nalli Reviews Josiah Thompson's Last Second in Dallas
« Reply #143 on: June 03, 2021, 05:28:22 PM »
Outstanding piece of work.

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