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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #184 on: August 10, 2021, 08:49:30 PM »
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No, the card was NOT found among Nagell's possessions. A poor photocopy of the card was found by Dick Russell in
Bernard Fensterwald's office in Washington DC in 1976.

How long do you want this discussion to go on?

There is NO evidence that Nagell ever possessed this card.

fred

Bernard Fensterwald's office in Washington DC in 1976.

What did Mary Ferrell say about that card?

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #184 on: August 10, 2021, 08:49:30 PM »


Offline Fred Litwin

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #185 on: August 10, 2021, 10:02:50 PM »
Did you read my blog post about this?

Here is the link again.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/dick-russell-s-second-smoking-gun-on-the-richard-case-nagell-story

Mary Ferrell was wrong. Judy Bonner's book was not the only book with the Oswald card in it. In any case,
whatever she said (and what she said is in my blog) it is immaterial.

The poor photocopy of the Oswald card WAS FOUND IN BERNARD FENSTERWALD'S OFFICE IN 1976.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand.

The card was not in Nagell's possession in September 1976.

fred

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #186 on: August 11, 2021, 01:28:00 AM »
Did you read my blog post about this?

Here is the link again.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/dick-russell-s-second-smoking-gun-on-the-richard-case-nagell-story

Mary Ferrell was wrong. Judy Bonner's book was not the only book with the Oswald card in it. In any case,
whatever she said (and what she said is in my blog) it is immaterial.

The poor photocopy of the Oswald card WAS FOUND IN BERNARD FENSTERWALD'S OFFICE IN 1976.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand.

The card was not in Nagell's possession in September 1976.

fred

Somebody enhanced the '62' on the card on the date line. The photograph and the signature are different from the known Oswald card (shown below). The picture on the known card is believed to be from Minsk (too late for the real card)  - Warren Commission Volume XXVI,

If you'll back off a minute and LOOK at the card....    You may reach the same conclusion that I did.

Lee apparently had this ID card when he was in Russia.....   It's NOT a genuine draft card ....the form was the form that the government issued to dependents of military personnel, so they could use the commissary on the military base.

I believe it was issued to American spies when they were outside the borders of the US.  ( if they required medical attention the card would get them into an infirmary..... for example)  Lee Oswald had one of those cards and he copied it and altered it before he surrender it on his return to the US.

LOOK at the card.....That's NOT a US Postal date stamp on the card.....The "stamp" was created by Lee to make the card look more authentic.     LOOK at the round "stamp" and scale that circle by using the known dimension of the card as a scale.

I believe that you'll find that the "stamp" is the same diameter as a US Quarter dollar coin..... And in fact the word "quarter" can be seen printed backward  .....IOW.....Lee used a quarter and an ink pad and created that "stamp"

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #186 on: August 11, 2021, 01:28:00 AM »


Offline Fred Litwin

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #187 on: August 11, 2021, 05:13:31 AM »
None of this relevant.

All we have is a poor photocopy of this card that was found in Bernard Fensterwald's office
by Dick Russell in 1976.

There is no evidence that the card was in the possession of Nagell in September 1963. We also
have the property list of stuff found on Nagell from the police and the FBI and that card was not
on it. Nor did Nagell ever reference that card.

Will you finally admit the point that the card was NOT in the possession of Nagell in 1963?

This is my last post on this topic.

fred

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #188 on: August 11, 2021, 05:21:04 PM »
None of this relevant.

All we have is a poor photocopy of this card that was found in Bernard Fensterwald's office
by Dick Russell in 1976.

There is no evidence that the card was in the possession of Nagell in September 1963. We also
have the property list of stuff found on Nagell from the police and the FBI and that card was not
on it. Nor did Nagell ever reference that card.

Will you finally admit the point that the card was NOT in the possession of Nagell in 1963?

This is my last post on this topic.

fred

Will you finally admit the point that the card was NOT in the possession of Nagell in 1963?

No, I can't do that..... I wasn't there and I have no first hand information about that card.     But I believe Nagell did in fact have that card in his possession on 10 / 20/ 63

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #188 on: August 11, 2021, 05:21:04 PM »


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Who was Leon Oswald?
« Reply #189 on: August 12, 2021, 02:26:44 PM »
Who was Leon Oswald?
Was there a second Oswald? Richard Case Nagell said that he met both Oswalds - Lee Harvey and Leon. One conspiracy theorists quotes a number of witnesses who support the existence of Leon. But can you trust any one of them?

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/who-was-leon-oswald

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Re: Who was Leon Oswald?
« Reply #190 on: August 12, 2021, 07:02:47 PM »
Who was Leon Oswald?
Was there a second Oswald? Richard Case Nagell said that he met both Oswalds - Lee Harvey and Leon. One conspiracy theorists quotes a number of witnesses who support the existence of Leon. But can you trust any one of them?

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/who-was-leon-oswald

Fred, you ridicule those who believe that there is some substance to Richard Nagell's story......But in reality you have nothing solid on which to base a rebuttal.   You can show problems with various aspects of Nagel's story but that certainly does not negate the story...

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Re: Who was Leon Oswald?
« Reply #191 on: August 12, 2021, 08:21:34 PM »
There are problems with EVERY part of Nagell's story.

I will get to them all...in time.

Do you buy the ridiculous Leon Oswald story?

fred

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Re: Who was Leon Oswald?
« Reply #191 on: August 12, 2021, 08:21:34 PM »