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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Mark Lane Interviews Roger Craig
« Reply #288 on: October 17, 2021, 06:35:13 AM »
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So many people try to slander Roger Craig.
The same ones who also slander Mark Lane?

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Re: Mark Lane Interviews Roger Craig
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Offline Ted Shields

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Re: Mark Lane Interviews Roger Craig
« Reply #289 on: October 18, 2021, 12:05:59 PM »
The same ones who also slander Mark Lane?

Rightly so. The man has blood on his hands in Jonestown.

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Re: Mark Lane Interviews Roger Craig
« Reply #290 on: October 19, 2021, 02:57:25 AM »
Roger Craig consistently described those events that he had recalled without deviation.

Are you serious? LOL  https://www.jfk-assassination.net/craig.htm

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Mark Lane Interviews Roger Craig
« Reply #291 on: October 19, 2021, 07:21:54 AM »
Rightly so. The man has blood on his hands in Jonestown.
Mark Lane or Jim Jones? Pick somebody ::)

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Re: Mark Lane Interviews Roger Craig
« Reply #292 on: October 19, 2021, 07:47:52 AM »
Are you serious? LOL  https://www.jfk-assassination.net/craig.htm
Yeah...I've seen that page---Craig is contradicted by Fritz and his guys?....What's new?
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The essay, "The Rambler Man" is David Perry's investigation into the Craig story.

David Perry --searching for a question to the answer he had already formulated.
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Craig testified in Dallas on April 1, 1964. The passage
dealing with Fritz's interrogation of Oswald can be found in Warren
Commission Volume VI, page 270, [6H270].
Mr. Belin. All right. Then what did Captain Fritz say and
what did you say and what did the suspect say?
Mr. Craig. Captain Fritz then asked him about the-uh-he
said, "What about this station wagon?"
Wait a minute! Craig never charged the Warren Commission
altered this portion of his testimony. He also claimed Fritz never
mentioned the station wagon. The cracks in the "story" began to
appear.

I soon found Fritz didn't even remember Roger Craig being in
on the Oswald interrogation! Warren Commission Counsel Joseph Ball
asked Fritz if he remembered Craig being in his office "in the
presence of Oswald." In Warren Volume IV, page 245, [4H245].
Detailed reports of things Craig didn't do. 
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Author and researcher Penn Jones Jr. briefly reviewed the
episode in his 1969 paperback Forgive My Grief III. On page twenty
nine, Jones asserted, "Craig insisted from the day of the
assassination that he saw Oswald race down the grassy Fea and get
into a station wagon like the one owned by Mrs. Ruth Paine of
Irving." Curiously this important allegation, that the Paine
vehicle might have been used in the assassination, lay dormant
until Jones published the story.
Yeah...the event was ignored by the Warren Commission.
 There are pictures of 45 auto slugs being picked up by the curb where Craig wandered.
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Are you serious? LOL
Go LOL all you want. I do take it seriously.

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Offline Fred Litwin

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The Scholarship of James DiEugenio
« Reply #293 on: October 19, 2021, 02:02:26 PM »
Part One
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-scholarship-of-james-dieugenio-a-case-study

Part Two
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-scholarship-of-james-dieugenio-part-two

For those of you who are interested, my friend Paul Hoch has found a very important paper by Vincent Guinn on his testing of a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.

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Re: The Scholarship of James DiEugenio
« Reply #294 on: October 19, 2021, 08:38:49 PM »
Part One
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-scholarship-of-james-dieugenio-a-case-study

Part Two
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-scholarship-of-james-dieugenio-part-two

For those of you who are interested, my friend Paul Hoch has found a very important paper by Vincent Guinn on his testing of a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.

If Mr Hoch thinks that a Mannlicher carcano was the weapon used to murder President Kennedy....and he's tested a carcano ...He's chasing a wild goose.



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Re: The Scholarship of James DiEugenio
« Reply #295 on: October 20, 2021, 03:33:20 AM »
It seems to me that the WCs use of the quote by Cunningham in its report was extremely misleading because the Mannlicher Carcano does eject significant nitrates back onto the persons face as stated by Guinn. This is what Jim DiEugenio is talking about.

However the DPD then proceeded to make a mess of the paraffin casts they took from Oswald. They first subjected the casts to a dermal nitrate test (which was a useless test) which reduced the amounts of nitrates on the casts. So when it came to the second test, the neutron-activation analysis for antimony (which was the more accurate test) the casts were now in a less than desirable state due to the first dermal nitrate test having been conducted on the casts. To make matters worse for this second test, the people handling the casts contaminated the casts making them useless for analysis in this second test (the neutron-activation analysis for antimony test).

So while the WC arrived at the right conclusion (i.e. the parafin tests were inconclusive), it seems to me they inserted a misleading quote by Cunningham.

The Cunningham quote is followed a few lines later by an FBI test conducted after the JFK assassination and says that a test shot from a Mannlicher Carcano left no nitrates on the persons face. The WC report does not say FBI ballistics expert Cunningham was the one who did this test but i'm guessing he did as he was the one testifying before the WC. If Guinn tested the rifle and found it emitted significant amounts of nitrates and Cunningham says it emitted basically none, this raises questions about Cunninghams honesty in my opinion. And DiEugenio is right to raise this issue even if the source he cites is less than perfect.


With regard to the scholarship, from what I can see when Bill Turner phoned up Vincent Guinn after seeing Cunninghams testimony, Guinn mentioned a test he had done which Turner mistakenly thought had been conducted after Guinn had read Cunninghams testimony and had become suspicious. In fact the Guinn test had been done the weekend of the assassination. It seems me that Turner made a mistake as to when the test had been done and DiEugenio is simply repeating this mistake by citing "Letter from Turner to Gary Aguilar, July 17, 2007." as the reference. Yes, DiEugenio should have gone to the original source (Guinns article) but i'm guessing he just made a mistake which is probably difficult to avoid when writing a book on a topic as complicated as the JFK assassination.

Even if the source DiEugenio cites is less than perfect, I don't really feel misled by it to be honest. I think the point he makes is valid.

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Re: The Scholarship of James DiEugenio
« Reply #295 on: October 20, 2021, 03:33:20 AM »