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Offline Fred Litwin

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« Reply #328 on: November 02, 2021, 01:37:27 PM »
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Jim Garrison's Homosexual Shakedown Operation
Allegations were made to the FBI in 1967 that Jim Garrison was operating a homosexual shakedown operation. The FBI decided this was a local matter and declined to take action. Today I present the full, unredacted memo.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jim-garrison-s-homosexual-shakedown-operation

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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Jim Garrison's Homosexual Shakedown Operation
« Reply #329 on: November 04, 2021, 04:49:59 AM »

A gay person is the last person the CIA would chose as one of its agents. It’s too easy to turn them by threatening to expose them.

A gay person is the most logical person for Jim Garrison to choose to prosecute with a bogus case. Such a person cannot present any character witnesses because they may be asked, by the DA, under oath, if they know anything about the defendant being a homosexual. A disaster for the defense given the attitude of the public in the 1960’s towards gays. The people that the defense can call upon to testify is greatly restricted.

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« Reply #330 on: November 04, 2021, 12:21:18 PM »
A gay person is the last person the CIA would chose as one of its agents. It’s too easy to turn them by threatening to expose them.

A gay person is the most logical person for Jim Garrison to choose to prosecute with a bogus case. Such a person cannot present any character witnesses because they may be asked, by the DA, under oath, if they know anything about the defendant being a homosexual. A disaster for the defense given the attitude of the public in the 1960’s towards gays. The people that the defense can call upon to testify is greatly restricted.

Seems that is no longer the case, Joe.
"Tenet holds the dubious distinction of being the first CIA director to preside at a “Gay Pride Day” at the agency. There’s no indication that Tenet himself is gay, but the event which took place at the agency on June 6th, 2000 was extraordinary and demonstrates the misplaced priorities at the CIA. Tenet welcomed openly homosexual Rep. Barney Frank to the affair, telling the congressman that the agency is “recruiting very actively” in the homosexual community."

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Offline Fred Litwin

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« Reply #331 on: November 04, 2021, 02:30:32 PM »
Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" in New Orleans?
Tommy Baumler told Bernard Fensterwald in 1981 that Clay Shaw was part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans. But who was Tommy Baumler, and why on earth should we just take his word on this?

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-clay-shaw-part-of-the-intelligence-apparatus-in-new-orleans


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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #332 on: November 04, 2021, 02:46:50 PM »
Short answer is:


Yes, he was but Garrison and his followers may be wrong to accuse Shaw of being part of the JFK assassination plot.

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Offline Fred Litwin

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #333 on: November 04, 2021, 03:25:24 PM »
And your proof is what? And what exactly is an "intelligence apparatus"?

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Re: Jim Garrison's Homosexual Shakedown Operation
« Reply #334 on: November 04, 2021, 04:09:57 PM »

Seems that is no longer the case, Joe.
"Tenet holds the dubious distinction of being the first CIA director to preside at a “Gay Pride Day” at the agency. There’s no indication that Tenet himself is gay, but the event which took place at the agency on June 6th, 2000 was extraordinary and demonstrates the misplaced priorities at the CIA. Tenet welcomed openly homosexual Rep. Barney Frank to the affair, telling the congressman that the agency is “recruiting very actively” in the homosexual community."

Yes. But this is the twentieth first century. It is now acceptable to be gay. In the 1960’s, it was very different. Using a gay agent who could be easily blackmailed was not done back then.

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #335 on: November 04, 2021, 04:14:04 PM »
And your proof is what? And what exactly is an "intelligence apparatus"?

Clay Shaw, the man Garrison charged with conspiracy in the JFK murder, testified under oath "No, I have not" to the question "Mr. Shaw, have you ever worked for the Central Intelligence Agency?" The truth of this answer may depend on the meaning of the word "work." It was later revealed that Shaw had been an informant to the CIA's Domestic Contacts Service during the period 1948 to 1956. More interestingly, a document surfaced which seemed to imply that Shaw was cleared for "Project QK/ENCHANT." Other persons cleared for this project include J. Munroe Sullivan, Shaw's "alibi," Peter Maheu (son of Robert), and no less than CIA officer E. Howard Hunt. The nature of this project is still classified; what little information there is suggests that those cleared for the project may possibly have been "unwitting," and that it may have been related to gathering information from businessmen. Certainly there is no indication it was assassination-related. Author Bill Davy (Let Justice Be Done) also uncovered a CIA memo which appears to confirm Shaw's use of the alias "Clay Bertrand," which was central to the trial.

Whether Shaw had any deeper relationship with the Agency, perhaps related to the International Trade Mart he was Director of, remains unsubstantiated though disputed. Certainly the CIA was worried about his prosecution - CIA Director Helms' assistant Victor Marchetti revealed in the 1975 that Helms held meetings where he would ask "are we giving them all the help we can?" CounterIntelligence officer Ray Rocca held meetings on 20 Sep 1967 and 26 Sep 1967, and incorrectly predicted that "Garrison would indeed obtain a conviction of Shaw" (Shaw was acquitted after an hour of deliberation). The Agency also produced a series of 9 numbered memos tracking the Garrison investigation (see sidebar), and circulated to station chiefs a guidebook for defending the Warren Report, with specific strategies for refuting the critics.


https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/The_CIA_and_the_JFK_Assassination.html

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Forerunner of Domestic Contact Service/OSINT:

This function, run by the Domestic Contact Service (also called the Domestic Contact Division) of the CIA, was legal, as it did not violate the CIA prohibitions of police power or spying on Americans. It was a voluntary debriefing of Americans with useful information. It is now considered part of Open Source Intelligence OSINT.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_United_States


The evidence that Shaw was an intelligence asset is overwhelming. However, it doesn't mean he was involved with the Kennedy assassination.

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #335 on: November 04, 2021, 04:14:04 PM »