On The Trail Of Delusion

[Fred Litwin]

Steve: yes, you are right.

But, clearly Thornley had some idea for the book, and felt that Oswald fit the kind of
person he wanted to write about.

He said that "I was not so interested in explaining Lee Harvey Oswald to myself or anybody else, as I was in explaining that particular phenomenon of
disillusionment with the United States after serving in the Marine Corps overseas in a peacetime capacity; thus the title: The Idle Warriors."

But, yes, then he says: "Since Oswald inspired the book, I did base a good deal of it as a matter of convenience on his personality and his ideas."

[Fred Litwin]

You can go to the Mary Ferrell website and see the testimonies of all the witnesses (well, some, but not all) that
Garrison brought before the Grand Jury.

[Jerry Freeman]

Only a DA and 12 people are present in a grand jury.
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/difference-between-grand-jury-and-trial-jury.html

12 23 people

[Denis Pointing]

Shows what people know about a grand jury...Witnesses are not heard by a grand jury....defense attorneys are not present at a grand jury---Only a DA and 12 people are present in a grand jury. How ludicrous can you get?
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/difference-between-grand-jury-and-trial-jury.html

Hey, 'smart guy' from your own link; "Grand jury proceedings are held in strict confidence to encourage witnesses to speak freely" 

[Denis Pointing]

Clay Shaw was found not guilty... therefore there was no conspiracy and Oswald remains the assassin..... The logic of the Kool-Aid drinking, lone nut dwelling, bottom feeders.

So you believe the reason LN's don't believe in conspiracy is because Clay Shaw was found innocent. 'Smart guy' strikes again! 

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Steve: yes, you are right.

But, clearly Thornley had some idea for the book, and felt that Oswald fit the kind of
person he wanted to write about.

He said that "I was not so interested in explaining Lee Harvey Oswald to myself or anybody else, as I was in explaining that particular phenomenon of
disillusionment with the United States after serving in the Marine Corps overseas in a peacetime capacity; thus the title: The Idle Warriors."

But, yes, then he says: "Since Oswald inspired the book, I did base a good deal of it as a matter of convenience on his personality and his ideas."

Fred: We've gotten away (as often happens) from you main point that shows - again - how utterly reckless and demented (no other word for it) Garrison was in his investigation. Lifton befriended Thornley and was astonished how Garrison treated him.

As to Thornley and Oswald: Thornley's account of meeting with Oswald shows that Oswald was deeply angry with the US. His experience with the Marine Corps deepened this alienation and anger (Epstein quotes from several Marine colleagues of Oswald's who say that he was extremely bitter after being released from the brig after his second court martial). As Thornley said, when he read about Oswald's defection to the USSR he realized that Oswald was serious in his views.

Oswald was either a great actor pretending to hold these views or he was sincerely disaffected with his country. I think the first explanation, that he was pretending, is simply implausible.

[Jon Banks]

Oswald was either a great actor pretending to hold these views or he was sincerely disaffected with his country. I think the first explanation, that he was pretending, is simply implausible.

The fact that Lee didn't ever associate with communists is a glaring sign that it was a facade.

Strangely in his short life, he consistently seemed to have associates who were anti-Communist or work for people who were anti-Communist.

I can't think of any examples of him associating with communists.

Whether he did those things as part of a broader mission, or just due his having a contrarian personality, is the question...

[Steve M. Galbraith]

The fact that Lee didn't ever associate with communists is a glaring sign that it was a facade.

Strangely in his short life, he consistently seemed to have associates who were anti-Communist or work for people who were anti-Communist.

I can't think of any examples of him associating with communists.

Whether he did those things as part of a broader mission, or just due his having a contrarian personality, is the question...

He didn't associate with communists therefore all of the views he held about the US and Marxism were an act? Sorry but that makes no sense to me. Did he or did he not repeatedly express his hatred of the US?

So you think he was controlled or directed by others and they told him not to associate with communists? Or failed to tell him TO associate with them? Don't you think that if he was told to be a communist that part of this cover would be to actually attend communist meetings? And what would he be "used" for? They want him to pretend to hold these radical beliefs and do what with this cover or legend? Infiltrate unemployment offices in Dallas?

In any case, when he was 16 he wrote to a leftwing group about joining them. When he was 17 he expressed his communist beliefs and the superiority of the USSR to friends. Was he being controlled when he was 16 and 17?